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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

I guess I have seen disputes/complain against all the crypto casinos out there. Every day, in the scam accusation section, we have to new accusation thread against casinos. It even includes all the reputed casinos, new casinos. I mean none has an exception. I can't remember if there is a casino that never receive any accusation here in the scam accusation board; maybe betbtc.co is an exception which is closed now. Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

Well, we should not assume that a casino made a mistake just because someone created a scam accusation thread against them, I had seen many of them creating such threads when there is no mistake from the casino side, the player violated the ToS but shout at the casino because they think that casino stole money from them and also there are many trolls out there who just wanted to create bad impression about a side by keel doing this on different threads without proper evidence.0

It's for both sides the casino and the player. But you can see there are good casinos in there that have been around since, they do have issues but are resolved too. Meanings, these issues can really be resolved if both parties are only willing to exchange and cooperate.

The casinos that don't cooperate, I believe have something to hide and probably have the intention. That's why there is a forum for scam accusations and reputation, disputes are always posted, it is also the same with gamblers who need to post pieces of evidence.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

I guess I have seen disputes/complain against all the crypto casinos out there. Every day, in the scam accusation section, we have to new accusation thread against casinos. It even includes all the reputed casinos, new casinos. I mean none has an exception. I can't remember if there is a casino that never receive any accusation here in the scam accusation board; maybe betbtc.co is an exception which is closed now. Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

Well, we should not assume that a casino made a mistake just because someone created a scam accusation thread against them, I had seen many of them creating such threads when there is no mistake from the casino side, the player violated the ToS but shout at the casino because they think that casino stole money from them and also there are many trolls out there who just wanted to create bad impression about a side by keel doing this on different threads without proper evidence.0

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If everyone wins, there will be no dispute. But you know, the casino's nature is that more people are losing than winning. So you can expect (1) butthurt losers to complain, and we can see it clearly on a review site like Trustpilot. Another thing is (2) people trying to abuse promotion and get caught.

Yes, casino can also cheat its customers, like refusing to pay for various reasons. But percentage-wise, (1) & (2) happen more often IMO.

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Maybe a site like bustadice could fit? Their owner is reputable, there's only a single provably fair game offered, and they're in the unique position of having a provably fair system that requires two people to collude for cheating to occur. There's no bonuses either, so what you see is that you get - there aren't a ton of hidden terms and conditions. To my knowledge, they also don't KYC at all.

These factors allows bustadice to avoid the most common disputes:

A player being forced to KYC for whatever reason (either legitimate or to try to steal their winnings)
Sketchy bonuses with restrictive T&C (max bet/max win/the site choosing to cancel an active bonus/etc)
Accusations of games not being provably fair/rigged, by either players or investors (if applicable)
Sports betting related disputes (odds errors, voided bets, limiting, etc)
Not getting bonuses players think they deserve from various VIP programs

On the first page of a google search for "scam accusation bustadice site:bitcointalk.org", there's only one bustadice scam accusation that shows up for me, which is this thread. Reading the scam accusation, I think it would be reasonable to say that the claim made is objectively false.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

I guess I have seen disputes/complain against all the crypto casinos out there. Every day, in the scam accusation section, we have to new accusation thread against casinos. It even includes all the reputed casinos, new casinos. I mean none has an exception. I can't remember if there is a casino that never receive any accusation here in the scam accusation board; maybe betbtc.co is an exception which is closed now. Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

I guess it really depends on the evidence per se. I mean when someone accuses a casino, the accuser should show us some proof. And most of the time it's either the accuser is cheating the casino with multiple accounts, didn't read their TOS or someone who just want to destroy the casino's reputation. I mean siding with the casino though, but it means the burden of proof is on the accuser and most of the time it's not concrete enough.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

Did you find these ridiculous?

No, I don't find this ridiculous.
Any disputes/complaints that came are very likely due to the mistake of both, players who violate the ToS or Casino who do not have a clear ToS, but of all the disputes will be valid if it also includes valid evidence and how the Casino handles this matter. Casino will certainly not be able to please all its users as well as players who are always satisfied with the performance of the Casino where he plays.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

I guess I have seen disputes/complain against all the crypto casinos out there. Every day, in the scam accusation section, we have to new accusation thread against casinos. It even includes all the reputed casinos, new casinos. I mean none has an exception. I can't remember if there is a casino that never receive any accusation here in the scam accusation board; maybe betbtc.co is an exception which is closed now. Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

There are fake and legit accusations we have seen one recent complaint about one user who just cannot upload his documents and accusing the casino of scamming, the winning is not even a fraction of what the casino is paying to promote their casino, glad it was resolved, anyone can make a complaint but they have to sustain it, so far those reputable casinos have resolved those disputes, sometimes the issues are not on the casinos but the player's failure to follow the TOS.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

I can't remember if there is a casino that never receive any accusation here in the scam accusation board; maybe betbtc.co is an exception which is closed now. Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly?

Same as you, I think none. Every gambling site faces an issue for its users.

For me, what matters here is, how they able to handle the case professionally. That's how I rate a site being a trusted one, how they are able to handle cases and solve them with satisfaction.

Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

Maybe it is better if you provide an example of a case like that especially involving a reputable and famous gambling site here.

That's a good one to discuss.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

I guess I have seen disputes/complain against all the crypto casinos out there. Every day, in the scam accusation section, we have to new accusation thread against casinos. It even includes all the reputed casinos, new casinos. I mean none has an exception. I can't remember if there is a casino that never receive any accusation here in the scam accusation board; maybe betbtc.co is an exception which is closed now. Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

You are never going to have a 100% satisfied audience without disputes. Especially when taking into consideration peoe losing lots of money. It's not like after that they will have great reviews for a site. Best you can get is looking for ones with the LEAST amount of complaints, with a known body of work. And if you can get personal recommendations to from people you know or trust.

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Quote from: harizen on January 13, 2022, 07:39:24 PM

Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

It depends on how heavy the case is.

There are cases that there's a misunderstanding, users are complaining against the terms, site errors, and bugs or something along those lines. An accusation is already common to see even involving a reputable site.

Since cases vary from each other, we can't just generalize if casinos are taking advantage of most cases. Again, depending on what the case is.

Mistakes could really happen in various platforms because there's no such thing about perfect service or business which doesn't commit out those kind of presumptions and as a
community who do looks into these cases or situations then we are just going in the middle and would suggest on reaching out the platform itself.

As long we don't hear out their sides or the reason then we would really be still speculative on whats going on but basing with reputation alone then we could
make out some presumptions.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

It depends on how heavy the case is.

There are cases that there's a misunderstanding, users are complaining against the terms, site errors, and bugs or something along those lines. An accusation is already common to see even involving a reputable site.

Since cases vary from each other, we can't just generalize if casinos are taking advantage of most cases. Again, depending on what the case is.

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I don't think so. You'd find dirt from a casino somewhere here and there and even if they personally fixed it by talking with the party involved, it's still dirt with them having done something wrong or something they made a mistake about. Even most casinos that have a positive reputation would have one or two claims about them doing something dubious or wrong, mostly due to a mistake or well, just the user raging or trolling the casino (or was paid by others, which is kind of unlikely imo).

It's not really ridiculous, it's probably more ridiculous if a casino had a completely clean slate of a reputation after a year or two of running. That'd be more dubious imo.

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Quote from: RapTarX on January 13, 2022, 02:07:25 PM

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Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

^ This is only my assumption because I am not a casino owner.
There are too many factors to watch out for here, it could be a casino or it could be a gambler itself. I saw also a lot of threads complaints even reputed casinos. The problem would be a gambler who did not read the TOS will most likely experience a problem like this, once they are aware that they violate the TOS they are acting like a victim. On the other hand, sometimes casinos will take advantage of the TOS, once the gamblers violated that TOS they banned accounts even it has a fund or a casino will always have loopholes that a gambler will fall into trap most especially those who did not read the TOS. All of this is because of the business.

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There is none, some gamblers will still complain and yeah even the top site also have a dispute issue but they resolve it if its their error but don't expect them to solve those problem if the gambler really violate their terms of service. Even if there's a dispute, top gambling site still offer the best gambling experience, choose them because it works for you and you know that they can solve those issues the right way.

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Pretty sure most of the platforms and websites here have had some disputes with their patrons. Most of the time, disputes happen (even when they shouldn't) because two parties do not agree with the setup on how things should be done. Also, let's admit it, most of us here are wants some extremely fast resolution on things, though that is not always possible given that we are not the only customers, hence why some disputes arise even on most trivial things.

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Even if there's a perfect casino, there will be those customers that will complain even at the slightest problem that they've experience and even it has nothing to do with the performance of the casino.
Sometimes, these complaints are all about the severe addiction of the gambler and they can't remove that for which they blame the casino and create some reasonings to make it look like there's really a problem on the casino and not on them.

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There’s no perfect casino, and most probably a glitch or error can happen sometimes and that’s why people are asking help here especially if the site is not cooperating with them. You know what, good gambling site can handle this professionally and that’s why many top gambling site are still here because they are good enough to handle those accusations. If you feel the site is not fair to you, better to leave and go for your other option, this can easily solve your problem.

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It's a bit of a problematic industry for both the users and the casino.

Both are pretty anonymous and could do a lot of random stuff if they wanted to. There's definitely varying levels of trustworthiness (some places have really poor rep overall and other just have a few interface issues or accusations of salts changing which might be hard to prove). I'm also not sure how this stuff is proven on reputed and licensed casinos unless an ombudsman gambles with them every so often to see if there's a blatant problem - I guess normal casinos don't have provably fair too and that does quite well to gain trust even if most aren't fully blockchain based.

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I guess I have seen disputes/complain against all the crypto casinos out there. Every day, in the scam accusation section, we have to new accusation thread against casinos. It even includes all the reputed casinos, new casinos. I mean none has an exception. I can't remember if there is a casino that never receive any accusation here in the scam accusation board; maybe betbtc.co is an exception which is closed now. Did you find these ridiculous? Did not a casino run properly? I believe there are issues from the side of the gamblers as well but you can't deny that casinos take advantage a lot of times.

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