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September 15, 2014, 09:26:52 PM
#66
keep in midn few cloud mining companies ended as scams ;x
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September 15, 2014, 07:17:16 AM
#65
What about cloudmining companies, is this something you guys use?

If you are going to do that, think about it. Will that mining contract generate more coins than you put in?
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September 15, 2014, 01:09:43 AM
#63
What about cloudmining companies, is this something you guys use?
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September 12, 2014, 01:07:51 AM
#62
I want seriously help you and going to buy your shares.

Thanks.

I dont get your business. So you multiplicate copyright material? Whats a card? Whats the card 'Patrick Bateman'? American Psycho ok, but what the heck. Flashcards design? My own flashcard?

Have you been to our discussion thread? https://nxtforum.org/assets-board/%28ann%29-kongzi-print-shop/40/

May I know where exactly in Asia are you located?
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September 10, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
#61
I want seriously help you and going to buy your shares.

Thanks.

I dont get your business. So you multiplicate copyright material? Whats a card? Whats the card 'Patrick Bateman'? American Psycho ok, but what the heck. Flashcards design? My own flashcard?

Have you been to our discussion thread? https://nxtforum.org/assets-board/%28ann%29-kongzi-print-shop/40/
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September 10, 2014, 11:41:45 AM
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I went through couple of posts here and all of them end up with the same conclusion, SCAM after SCAM. Is there any decent crypto related security which is actually worth of investing in?
Is there anything with a decent business plan, a clear statement how to use money collected from investors and a dividend which might provide ROI some time in the future?

Has Bitcoin really become a tool for dishonest people to steal money from the community??? I really hope I am wrong.

So what is your 'investment' background? Before offending other, we can ask you, what kind of education in investing and successfull projects you managed so far. But just kidding.

Can give you one advice. Dont 'invest' any money anywhere, that how you get money over time. the chance of grabbing a successfull project is 1:1000 ?? But just kidding.

I made a Forex bet on that two months ago: type into the machine greenzone pamm

Yeah, dont you like BT anymore? Got your 50k account already full?  Ltcgear  shares at max? Shocked

take alook at my link to free bitcoins. the good thing with that faucet is, that you have to do nothing and getting a range of coins everyday on your account.

Seriously, that is your recommendation, qoinpro? Where I can make a dollar every 6 months. Heh, just kidding. Regarding my education, I ve been analyzing stocks in real life for the last 11 years and I know what to search for. The problem is that people provide limited infos regarding their IPOs and most of these infos are pure BS. A major advantage of Bitcoin, its anonymity is also its major problem, people can lie and there is no authority to check the data. This is why it is extremely hard to find innovative and profitable businesses, they are often covered in a lot of Bitcoin IPO junk.
Trust me, differentiation is the key and it is also our single most efficient defense against bad investment decisions.
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September 10, 2014, 08:37:45 AM
#59
This seems interesting but it is obvious your dividend per share ratio is dropping due to increase in the number of shares and this is going to continue. ATM your ROI is great but what happens when the number of shares increases? Any plans for the future?

Good question. There's a thread on nxtforum discussing this. Once we sell about 15,000 shares we will have enough for the new printer and the first few months of rent in the new office. The new printer will cut cost per card by ~2.5 cents, and the office space which will allow us to store bulk orders for things like index cards and laminator pockets. I estimate the savings we realize by ordering in bulk and storing it in the office will pay for the office space.

As you have noted, our ROI is good right now, at about 6% per week. Yes, that's a LOT. If we sold six times as many shares (18,000) we would be north of our phase one goal of 15,000 shares, and we would still be paying 1% a week. Which is still a lot. Beyond that our dividend will increase because of reduced costs and the ability to print and sell more cards. A black box is what happens when we sell more than ~50,000 shares and start advertising in the community and on places like google adwords. If we start getting a flood of orders this business could easily explode. This business is like a bakery. We take ten cents worth of flour and sell it for a dollar. If we can get close to capacity I do not think you will be worried about share dilution.

I think it is in our best interest NOT to sell too many shares. If we sell too many shares it will quell demand. Our goal is to sell as few shares as possible. Then, if we need to go to the market a second time for financing, we won't have to sell as many shares. Or worse, issue more.

I want seriously help you and going to buy your shares.

I dont get your business. So you multiplicate copyright material? Whats a card? Whats the card 'Patrick Bateman'? American Psycho ok, but what the heck. Flashcards design? My own flashcard?
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September 10, 2014, 08:25:04 AM
#58
I went through couple of posts here and all of them end up with the same conclusion, SCAM after SCAM. Is there any decent crypto related security which is actually worth of investing in?
Is there anything with a decent business plan, a clear statement how to use money collected from investors and a dividend which might provide ROI some time in the future?

Has Bitcoin really become a tool for dishonest people to steal money from the community??? I really hope I am wrong.

So what is your 'investment' background? Before offending other, we can ask you, what kind of education in investing and successfull projects you managed so far. But just kidding.

Can give you one advice. Dont 'invest' any money anywhere, that how you get money over time. the chance of grabbing a successfull project is 1:1000 ?? But just kidding.

I made a Forex bet on that two months ago: type into the machine greenzone pamm

Yeah, dont you like BT anymore? Got your 50k account already full?  Ltcgear  shares at max? Shocked

take alook at my link to free bitcoins. the good thing with that faucet is, that you have to do nothing and getting a range of coins everyday on your account.
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September 10, 2014, 12:31:47 AM
#57
Searching for 1 more opportunity to invest in. Options?
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September 07, 2014, 10:13:22 AM
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Im just wondering, where can someone buy all these shares of these companies?
from nxt wallet ?

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/
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September 07, 2014, 09:56:20 AM
#55
Please, stay on the topic. Labrat mining seemed Ok to me, considered buying, however, recently clients complain. Any experience there, what is the average ROI?
Im just wondering, where can someone buy all these shares of these companies?
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September 03, 2014, 05:06:59 PM
#54
Maybe you will like this project: https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/1000

It is as real as it gets, take some time to read trough the entire presentation. Any questions you might have, feel free to PM me, and I will answer you gladly.
Gav
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September 03, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
#53
I have to agree that there is a flip side to this - many "investors" out there really do have truly unrealistic ideas about returns and how long it takes for a business to find its feet. I would also add that a significant number of individuals are seemingly not confident in their own judgement and only dive it once they know everyone else has - guess this is why these pump and dump schemes keep doing so well.

Disclaimer: I'm the lead on a new asset-backed protocol nearing release and have witnessed first hand how tough it is to get genuine investor support on board.
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September 03, 2014, 08:34:53 AM
#52
This seems interesting but it is obvious your dividend per share ratio is dropping due to increase in the number of shares and this is going to continue. ATM your ROI is great but what happens when the number of shares increases? Any plans for the future?

Good question. There's a thread on nxtforum discussing this. Once we sell about 15,000 shares we will have enough for the new printer and the first few months of rent in the new office. The new printer will cut cost per card by ~2.5 cents, and the office space which will allow us to store bulk orders for things like index cards and laminator pockets. I estimate the savings we realize by ordering in bulk and storing it in the office will pay for the office space.

As you have noted, our ROI is good right now, at about 6% per week. Yes, that's a LOT. If we sold six times as many shares (18,000) we would be north of our phase one goal of 15,000 shares, and we would still be paying 1% a week. Which is still a lot. Beyond that our dividend will increase because of reduced costs and the ability to print and sell more cards. A black box is what happens when we sell more than ~50,000 shares and start advertising in the community and on places like google adwords. If we start getting a flood of orders this business could easily explode. This business is like a bakery. We take ten cents worth of flour and sell it for a dollar. If we can get close to capacity I do not think you will be worried about share dilution.

I think it is in our best interest NOT to sell too many shares. If we sell too many shares it will quell demand. Our goal is to sell as few shares as possible. Then, if we need to go to the market a second time for financing, we won't have to sell as many shares. Or worse, issue more.
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September 03, 2014, 07:33:28 AM
#51
yes you have proven you are right about some of the things some of the time lambchop, but not all of the things all of the time. When talking about AM, you need to factor in AM as a whole, and not just selectively discuss "AM's history on havelock" and expect to get away with implying that to mean AM's entire history.

No.  I have made many mistakes, but when it comes to Bitcoin securities?  None.
Here, I have been right all of the time.
Inb4 HUMILITY:  Being right here is as laudable as remembering to breathe.  Oh, and AM?  Here:



How's it goin'?
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September 03, 2014, 04:22:08 AM
#50
Has anything new emerged recently? Any other attractive investment opportunity?

Hello.

My asset, Kongzi Print Shop, pays regular dividends. We are about to expand with a new high-end printer and new office space. When we do the dividend will increase substantially.

We have photos of the stuff we sell online and we have sold material to community members who can vouch for us. Check it out.

https://coinsortium.co/security.php?ticker=KPS
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/10941619155761914846

(Yes, we have a dual listing. Check out the NXT listing, shares are currently on sale there. Check out our main discussion thread on nxtforum.)

Although I can't guarantee you will make money on KPS for legal reasons, what I can tell you is that we make money and we give it to our shareholders. You won't regret your decision. Ask anyone who's bought our shares. Thanks and bye.

p.s. we do business cards. cheap. Our most popular request is the "Patrick Bateman". It's bone. PM me.

This seems interesting but it is obvious your dividend per share ratio is dropping due to increase in the number of shares and this is going to continue. ATM your ROI is great but what happens when the number of shares increases? Any plans for the future?
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September 03, 2014, 02:37:11 AM
#49
The American Passenger Pigeon, once a staple food of American Indians, is now extinct.
Consider the chilling parallels between this noble bird's tragic tale and the plight of the Bitcoin Investor.

"At a nesting site in Petoskey, Michigan in 1878, 50,000 birds Bitcoin investors were killed each day for nearly five months. The surviving adults attempted a second nesting at new sites, but were killed by professional hunters before they had a chance to raise any young."[1]
...
"Still another way
[of hunting Bitcoin investors] was to simply set a nesting tree on fire, cooking the doves investors or collecting them as they tried to escape."[1]
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"Two farmers from the vicinity of Russelsville, distant more than a hundred miles, had driven upwards of three hundred hogs to be fattened on the pigeons Bitcoin investors which were to be slaughtered. Here and there, the people employed in plucking and salting what had already been procured, were seen sitting in the midst of large piles of these birds amateur financiers. The dung lay several inches deep, covering the whole extent of the roosting-place."[1]


1.  Passenger Pigeon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Pigeon#Hunting
It's hard to find oneself to be a Passenger Pigeon   Sad.
I failed to be a successful investor. It's obvious to me now, that the best option to choose for me was not to buy any shares @ Cryptostocks.
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September 03, 2014, 02:21:29 AM
#48
Has anything new emerged recently? Any other attractive investment opportunity?

Hello.

My asset, Kongzi Print Shop, pays regular dividends. We are about to expand with a new high-end printer and new office space. When we do the dividend will increase substantially.

We have photos of the stuff we sell online and we have sold material to community members who can vouch for us. Check it out.

https://coinsortium.co/security.php?ticker=KPS
https://nxtblocks.info/#section/assets_exchange/market/10941619155761914846

(Yes, we have a dual listing. Check out the NXT listing, shares are currently on sale there. Check out our main discussion thread on nxtforum.)

Although I can't guarantee you will make money on KPS for legal reasons, what I can tell you is that we make money and we give it to our shareholders. You won't regret your decision. Ask anyone who's bought our shares. Thanks and bye.

p.s. we do business cards. cheap. Our most popular request is the "Patrick Bateman". It's bone. PM me.
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September 03, 2014, 02:05:49 AM
#47
Make sure it has

A: Good idea that brings something to crypto as a whole.

B: Good devs.

C: Just say fuck it and buy Huntercoin Tongue
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September 03, 2014, 01:15:25 AM
#46
Has anything new emerged recently? Any other attractive investment opportunity?
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It's tough to find a good alt coin to invest in.  The best advice I can give is:

1) Invest in a coin you like.  I.E , one with solid fundamentals, one that offers something new, etc.  The truly good coins are not likely to become worthless.  
2) Buy in at the bottom, not the top.  I.E you don't say 'hey look wow, GlendallCoin has gone up 300% in the last two weeks, I should get on this train!' . Try to find the bottom or invest in a coin at launch.

There is no way to avoid risk. And right now, pretty much every alt available is been on slide.

Personally I'm just holding hobonickels in alts, because they are at their bottom (IMHO() and are the best PoS coin (the wallet is tops) that generate good interest rates. Research coins, find something you genuinely believe is a good coin, and support it. 

Oh and I should add

3) If your alt has doubled in value, sell some (I'd say half). Or: If things look like they are dumping, get on board.

 I messed this one up a few times, like when I bought a lot of NVC at $5 and should have sold it when it hit $20 but instead waited until it was back down to like $8 before I got out.

I think overall alt coin market is in the shits right now, but this precisely the best time to buy also.  You'll never make money if you only buy alts when the market is doing well (as obvious as that sounds not everyone seems to get this),
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Please, stay on the topic. Labrat mining seemed Ok to me, considered buying, however, recently clients complain. Any experience there, what is the average ROI?

It's a mining bond, so it's inherently stupid. Why would the owner give you a share of a miner for less than they can make by keeping it themselves.

There is one way mining farms/shares makes sense, but even then it's silly. If you pay .8 bitcoins for a miner that will generate 1 bitcoin, maybe sell/lease/rent it out for some number between .8 and 1 to get the coins up front, but even in those rare cases, one missed/late delivery (which is almost guaranteed) guess who's going to get screwed? Not the guy who collected money up front.
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Please, stay on the topic. Labrat mining seemed Ok to me, considered buying, however, recently clients complain. Any experience there, what is the average ROI?
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there was a porn guy starting up a business, he looked quite good...

I'm not that guy, but have posted a similar query today.  (See my other post.)  Could be interesting for the right person.
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
yes you have proven you are right about some of the things some of the time lambchop, but not all of the things all of the time. When talking about AM, you need to factor in AM as a whole, and not just selectively discuss "AM's history on havelock" and expect to get away with implying that to mean AM's entire history.
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.



Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.


lambchops also forgets (remembers to forget) to post that the asset started it's wavey line 3 times lower than where it is now. So, we would have a big bulge, like a mountai. A mountain of profit that was made by some lucky ones while others just enjoyed part of the ride up the mountain. They are set to start mining again soon(ish), and may be in a position to claim upto 15-20% of the network.

NotLambchop forgets nothing.  The chart ("wavey [sic] line," to use your term) is the entire history of AsicMiner on Havelock.  AsicMiner differs from the rest of Havelock offerings only in the extent of the losses to the "investors."  To this day, each and every "security" currently offered by Havelock has lost money to its "investors."  For a detailed breakdown of failure, see Havelock Securities At A Glance: The SRS BZNZ Edition.

  ~Happy Investing!
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.



Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.


lambchops also forgets (remembers to forget) to post that the asset started it's wavey line 3 times lower than where it is now. So, we would have a big bulge, like a mountai. A mountain of profit that was made by some lucky ones while others just enjoyed part of the ride up the mountain. They are set to start mining again soon(ish), and may be in a position to claim upto 15-20% of the network.
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
there was a porn guy starting up a business, he looked quite good...
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With the closing of just-dice everything else just seems weak. Nearly everything that I even start to read loses me with their inability to type decent english.

www.dicebitco.in


Anything else?

I like Huntercoin. 

Super low market cap and blah blah blah

What, simple mining?

Human mining Smiley

In world wallet that you have to control a general to capture coins much like capture the flag. Network secured by dual-algo (SHA-256 & SCRYPT) both of which are merge mined (you can earn Huntercoin while mining BTC or LTC.) It is a fork of NMC
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With the closing of just-dice everything else just seems weak. Nearly everything that I even start to read loses me with their inability to type decent english.
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^That.
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After thinking about it, it seems like most of these securities fit into the same pattern.

People want x

I should buy x and sell it to people.

You guys should give me the money to buy x (and pay me) then when I sell x to the people we will get rich.

This is an even riskier type of insvestment than a regular startup because there is extra risk.

My advice would be, if you want to invest in a company that's selling bitcoin miners, invest in someone that has product to sell or will make the product close to on their own. If you want to invest in a bitcoin exchange, invest in someone that knows how to code and has the basics down. Try to minimize the middle men because the more steps involved in the process, the more places where things can go wrong and you can end up losing your money.
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Anything else?

I like Huntercoin.  

Super low market cap and blah blah blah

What, simple mining?
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Anything else?

I like Huntercoin.  

Super low market cap and blah blah blah
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Anything else?
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The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.



How great can the company be if it can't handle a few trolls? Trolls can't stop you from doing your business (if they can and you can't handle it, it's not a great investment). If your company is legit, you would be able to answer the trolls questions, or ignore them and carry out your business, earn money for your investors and move on.

The problem is that some trolls simply don't want answers. You'll never find NotLambChop trolling an MPEx thread. Why? Why do we find the vast majority of his posts targeted at Havelock-based companies, and not Cryptostocks, or others?

And you're correct that you can do business in spite of the trolls. But it doesn't help your company out when people throw out wild, baseless accusations. We've been a company for over a year, sold tons of products, and have never had a single instance of a troll attacking our business... Until we post on BitcoinTalk. Strange, eh?

It's not strange at all. Notlambchop didn't start attacking you until you started posting somewhere that he would read, not strange. As to the other exchanges, that may be true, but doesn't really matter. "the bully isn't picking on that guy" doesn't solve your problem, and doesn't really change anything.

If he doesn't have a point, he will have no impact on you, if he does have a point, him attacking an Mpex thread will have no impact on you. Wild baseless accusations can't help, but they can't really hurt either if they are baseless. how do posts on this forum stop you from buying miners? how do they stop you from selling miners? they may make it a little harder to sell them on this forum, but doing what you say you are going to do will do a lot more good for your company than the harm that can come from wild baseless accusations.
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Unless you pay in excess of all invested capital (you pay out more in total than all invested capital), then you can't prove that it's not a Ponzi. Regularly scheduled payments that look like interest / principal payments can just as easily be payouts from existing/new investors unless you can independently verify (on the blockchain) that the remaining funds do still exist.

Quote
3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.

Bonds sounds like fun, but they've turned out terribly for investors. Ukyo loan? Graet loan? TAT's bond is an success in a field of failures, but that's about it. And how much capital on hand do you have to pay interest out of pocket?

Thanks for the critiques, it provides a lot to think about. Out of pocket, I could pay several thousand dollars worth of interest if my system didnt make any profit. I could do a proof of reserves pretty easily.

To clarify, the bond payouts would be in excess of all investor's capital. If I did 1-month bonds of $100 with 10% interest over that period (denominated in USD), all investors would receive $110 back, and they would all receive it simultaneously - I could set the payout day as the last day of the month for simplicity. Then, on the subsequent day, I could start a new round of investments, and invite the prior investors to invest again and the new bonds would be accepted over a period of a few days. I wouldnt accept any investment outside the posted rounds. I could set up a single address to receive all incoming funds, post the address, and at the end of the month I would send all funds back out through that address. If anyone tried to send money to that address mid-month, I could immediately send it back to the investor and add them to the contacts list so they would be informed of the start of the next round.
This strategy does have a downside that I would need to regularly liquidate and I would not have any of the investment money for 1 or 2 days per month. But, it would be publicly available proof of the amount of funds going in and the amount being sent back out, and anyone could check that each transaction out is 110% of each transaction in (after converting to dollars). I would prefer if each investor can accept the funds back using the same address that they sent from, but that may not be possible for all investors.
I could accept and manage the funds as btc-denominated amounts if the majority of investors really wanted that. Id prefer to do it all as dollars or all as BTC, as this would be simpler for other people to independently verify.
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The problem is that some trolls simply don't want answers. You'll never find NotLambChop trolling an MPEx thread. Why? Why do we find the vast majority of his posts targeted at Havelock-based companies, and not Cryptostocks, or others?...

Because there is no MPEx thread?  

Re: Cryptostocks:

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What you seem to be forgetting is that most scams and all ponzis pay out great at the beginning, that's how they attract savvy investing enthusiasts such as yourself.
In a few months, I'll drop you a condolences gif and offer you a virtual shoulder to sob on.

...followed, in a few months days, by me making good on mah promise:

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The onus is still on you to answer why you still think this is a scam, especially in light of being asked following the good faith moves the project manager(s) made in an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion.
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Noobthegreat!
In light of the project manager(s) running away after making an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion, here's that condolences gif I promised you.
Already gave one to SamboNZ, so this one's all yours, friend!


Sorry for your loss!

That's integrity and follow-through Cool
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The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.



How great can the company be if it can't handle a few trolls? Trolls can't stop you from doing your business (if they can and you can't handle it, it's not a great investment). If your company is legit, you would be able to answer the trolls questions, or ignore them and carry out your business, earn money for your investors and move on.

The problem is that some trolls simply don't want answers. You'll never find NotLambChop trolling an MPEx thread. Why? Why do we find the vast majority of his posts targeted at Havelock-based companies, and not Cryptostocks, or others?

And you're correct that you can do business in spite of the trolls. But it doesn't help your company out when people throw out wild, baseless accusations. We've been a company for over a year, sold tons of products, and have never had a single instance of a troll attacking our business... Until we post on BitcoinTalk. Strange, eh?
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The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.



How great can the company be if it can't handle a few trolls? Trolls can't stop you from doing your business (if they can and you can't handle it, it's not a great investment). If your company is legit, you would be able to answer the trolls questions, or ignore them and carry out your business, earn money for your investors and move on.
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Benny, you're 2 legit 2 quit Cheesy

Another deletion spree in the "Send me ur monyz nao" thread.  


Lol, like clockwork!  Teh Twins are coverin' their tracks Roll Eyes
A bit too late, but it's the thought that counts, amiright? Cheesy



...But Teh Tiem Machine Nevar 4gits!!  
https://web.archive.org/web/20110828180209/http://20yearbillionaire.com/who-is-the-worlds-richest-man-i-am/

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I dono but maybe I read the news to much, but every company I have ever seen go public has never hide a key player unless something is a foul. This should be interesting if they can produce a Mr. John K Freeman, maybe they will do like tocobell and find all the Ronald McDonalds bwhaha.

Pretty sure if it was Ok'd with the SEC all parties in the IPO would be listed... like directors. So can we see what you sent the SEC?

Mr. Freeman is not only a key player, he is the asset issuer.  What's more, there are many "John K. Freeman[ s]," but the issuer is not "K," but rather "Kenton," limiting us to a much narrower set Smiley



https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6gZtLSqKPzQY05JZm1MSVNFaEk/edit

@RiverBoatBTC:  will post the fraudulent SEC filing in a sec.

Here:
 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1598311/000159831114000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml


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sr. member
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The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.

legendary
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I am seriously considering opening my arbitrage program to outside money after my next upgrade, but there would be a handful of unique benefits to any investors:
1: investment may take the form of a bond. So, if I lost the money, I would be held legally liable and my personal property could be taken to repay investors. This is a big deal - there is no way to run away from investors in this scenario. Also, investors would have access to my personal and contact info.
2: All funds, both principal and interest, would be returned simultaneously to all investors on regular cycles. This works well with the bond form of investment, and proves that the investment can't be a ponzi scheme because it's not possible to use Peter's money to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul get their money back at the same time. All investors would be required to submit their deposit address when they first join, so I could ensure that everyone gets their money back exactly as scheduled.
3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.
4: I would show some of the security precautions over the program - things like professional off-site hosting, encryption, etc.
5: I attend major Bitcoin events and am more than willing to meet potential investors or partners

I wanted to wait for the crazy money and fraudulent HYIP to go away, because there is no way for an honest program to compete with the ridiculous claims of 100% profits in a month that some of those things promised. Unfortunately, almost all of those programs failed and the thieves are nowhere to be found. I expected scammers to be caught and brought to justice and this would discourage future scams, but this has yet to happen.

Even if you're honest, you're completely wrong.
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1: investment may take the form of a bond. So, if I lost the money, I would be held legally liable and my personal property could be taken to repay investors. This is a big deal - there is no way to run away from investors in this scenario. Also, investors would have access to my personal and contact info.

Held legally liable? In one jurisdiction. With parties outside that jurisdiction trying to seize whatever assets you might have? How did that work out with John Montroll / Ukyo and Danny Brewster? People know exactly who they are and haven't gotten a dime.

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2: All funds, both principal and interest, would be returned simultaneously to all investors on regular cycles. This works well with the bond form of investment, and proves that the investment can't be a ponzi scheme because it's not possible to use Peter's money to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul get their money back at the same time. All investors would be required to submit their deposit address when they first join, so I could ensure that everyone gets their money back exactly as scheduled.

Unless you pay in excess of all invested capital (you pay out more in total than all invested capital), then you can't prove that it's not a Ponzi. Regularly scheduled payments that look like interest / principal payments can just as easily be payouts from existing/new investors unless you can independently verify (on the blockchain) that the remaining funds do still exist.

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3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.

Bonds sounds like fun, but they've turned out terribly for investors. Ukyo loan? Graet loan? TAT's bond is an success in a field of failures, but that's about it. And how much capital on hand do you have to pay interest out of pocket?
sr. member
Activity: 280
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The American Passenger Pigeon, once a staple food of American Indians, is now extinct.
Consider the chilling parallels between this noble bird's tragic tale and the plight of the Bitcoin Investor.

"At a nesting site in Petoskey, Michigan in 1878, 50,000 birds Bitcoin investors were killed each day for nearly five months. The surviving adults attempted a second nesting at new sites, but were killed by professional hunters before they had a chance to raise any young."[1]
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"Still another way
[of hunting Bitcoin investors] was to simply set a nesting tree on fire, cooking the doves investors or collecting them as they tried to escape."[1]
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"Two farmers from the vicinity of Russelsville, distant more than a hundred miles, had driven upwards of three hundred hogs to be fattened on the pigeons Bitcoin investors which were to be slaughtered. Here and there, the people employed in plucking and salting what had already been procured, were seen sitting in the midst of large piles of these birds amateur financiers. The dung lay several inches deep, covering the whole extent of the roosting-place."[1]


1.  Passenger Pigeon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Pigeon#Hunting
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Sure there are some decent companies there, AM should be one of them. But whether it worth to invest is totally another question. You never know where the market is heading to. Even for AM, there still someone bought shares for 4 BTC per share and totally screwed up.
newbie
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I went through couple of posts here and all of them end up with the same conclusion, SCAM after SCAM. Is there any decent crypto related security which is actually worth of investing in?
Is there anything with a decent business plan, a clear statement how to use money collected from investors and a dividend which might provide ROI some time in the future?

Has Bitcoin really become a tool for dishonest people to steal money from the community??? I really hope I am wrong.

I am seriously considering opening my arbitrage program to outside money after my next upgrade, but there would be a handful of unique benefits to any investors:
1: investment may take the form of a bond. So, if I lost the money, I would be held legally liable and my personal property could be taken to repay investors. This is a big deal - there is no way to run away from investors in this scenario. Also, investors would have access to my personal and contact info.
2: All funds, both principal and interest, would be returned simultaneously to all investors on regular cycles. This works well with the bond form of investment, and proves that the investment can't be a ponzi scheme because it's not possible to use Peter's money to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul get their money back at the same time. All investors would be required to submit their deposit address when they first join, so I could ensure that everyone gets their money back exactly as scheduled.
3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.
4: I would show some of the security precautions over the program - things like professional off-site hosting, encryption, etc.
5: I attend major Bitcoin events and am more than willing to meet potential investors or partners

I wanted to wait for the crazy money and fraudulent HYIP to go away, because there is no way for an honest program to compete with the ridiculous claims of 100% profits in a month that some of those things promised. Unfortunately, almost all of those programs failed and the thieves are nowhere to be found. I expected scammers to be caught and brought to justice and this would discourage future scams, but this has yet to happen.
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CryptoTalk.Org - Get Paid for every Post!
TRADER, DEBT, MSP, BIF on CryptoStocks (DEBT have recently voted to move to Coinsortium, BIF are voting now)

There is also Coinsortium itself to checkout - BIG and ORB have been generating a steady volume recently;
https://coinsortium.co/security.php?ticker=BIG
https://coinsortium.co/security.php?ticker=ORB
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These days it definitely seems like no.
sr. member
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No. There's nothing here worth investing in. 
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newbie
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No
hero member
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That's why the "bigwigs" on Wall Street are getting involved.  Maybe, soon, you'll be able to buy an ETF that tracks  the price of Bitcoin, or even some Bitcoin related entity.  Until then, be really careful as most of these "deals" on here are not subject to any sort of reporting requirements like a normal company would be.
sr. member
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@pedrog:  What's the average you paid per share of your AM "holdings"?
legendary
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Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.

That's why now it's a good time to buy some shares, not when they cost 3 bitcoins each...
legendary
Activity: 1330
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Have a look at www.cryptodron.com



See, that is what I am talking about. A new member with 6 posts advises me to invest into cryptofund which is "a hedge fund created with the sole purpose of multiplying Bitcoins". How, where, when, who runs it, nothing. They just say to send them 10 BTC and they will multiply it. Sure, sending 100 BTC now.

It makes me want to puke when I see the number of scams emerging every day inside BTC ecosystem. It also makes me to think that some kind of regulation is necessary to help send these scammers where they belong.

LEGIT STUFF ONLY HERE, stop insulting my intelligence.

I have heard whispers of a company aiming to do just this.  Filter out the scams and provide legit business opportunities to investors. 

Buying with confidence = Good Investment.  Buying with unknown factors = Gambling. 

I'd just keep my eyes open for something opening up soon.
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.



Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.
sr. member
Activity: 378
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.

legendary
Activity: 2786
Merit: 1031
How about Litecoin and AsicMiner?

Litecoin? I guess you mean investing into buying LTC. I believe that the only way LTC can survive in the future is to switch to NeoScrypt algorithm, similarly to what Feathercoin is planning to do. If not, large ASIC farm owners are going to continue to dump until they devastate the coin.

AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

There's nothing wrong with ASICs, on the contrary, they are very important to keep the network secure.

Litecoin has the second strongest network and it keeps growing at a fast rate.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

Here you can see LTC/BTC price evolution.

ASICMINER here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it-99497
legendary
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How about Litecoin and AsicMiner?

Litecoin? I guess you mean investing into buying LTC. I believe that the only way LTC can survive in the future is to switch to NeoScrypt algorithm, similarly to what Feathercoin is planning to do. If not, large ASIC farm owners are going to continue to dump until they devastate the coin.

AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?
legendary
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How about Litecoin and AsicMiner?
legendary
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DMD Diamond Making Money 4+ years! Join us!
Have a look at www.cryptodron.com



See, that is what I am talking about. A new member with 6 posts advises me to invest into cryptofund which is "a hedge fund created with the sole purpose of multiplying Bitcoins". How, where, when, who runs it, nothing. They just say to send them 10 BTC and they will multiply it. Sure, sending 100 BTC now.

It makes me want to puke when I see the number of scams emerging every day inside BTC ecosystem. It also makes me to think that some kind of regulation is necessary to help send these scammers where they belong.

LEGIT STUFF ONLY HERE, stop insulting my intelligence.
newbie
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newbie
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Also, you should pay attention to the people who claim something being scam. Not everything is scam that is accused being it.
I know, it could be a tough task, but in the end you are the one who has to make a decision what to do with your money...
legendary
Activity: 1652
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DMD Diamond Making Money 4+ years! Join us!
I went through couple of posts here and all of them end up with the same conclusion, SCAM after SCAM. Is there any decent crypto related security which is actually worth of investing in?
Is there anything with a decent business plan, a clear statement how to use money collected from investors and a dividend which might provide ROI some time in the future?

Has Bitcoin really become a tool for dishonest people to steal money from the community??? I really hope I am wrong.
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