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Topic: Is this Bitcoin's achilles heel? - page 3. (Read 5901 times)

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April 03, 2013, 03:54:57 PM
#31
How about a proper rebuttal, rather than name-calling? Of course we can always resort to handy little LOL-MEMES TROLL-MEMES when tough questions arise right? Wink

Do you know that you can divide Bitcoins? Even if someone would by 99.99% Bitcoins the whole global trade could be done with that 00.01%. Althought the whole scenario is as plausible as asking what if somebody buys all the food from the world or something like that...
Yes, assuming the attacker wouldn't buy and sell them 10 second intervals we can carry on with one bitcoin or even .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000001 bitcoin for the entire universe.
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April 03, 2013, 03:48:48 PM
#30
Althought the whole scenario is as plausible as asking what if somebody buys all the food from the world or something like that...

^^ The best way to put it

It's impossible to buy every bitcoin.
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April 03, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
#29
How about a proper rebuttal, rather than name-calling? Of course we can always resort to handy little LOL-MEMES TROLL-MEMES when tough questions arise right? Wink

Do you know that you can divide Bitcoins? Even if someone would by 99.99% Bitcoins the whole global trade could be done with that 00.01%. Althought the whole scenario is as plausible as asking what if somebody buys all the food from the world or something like that...
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April 03, 2013, 03:41:42 PM
#28
Out of my 5 bitcoin I will only maybe sell 4 and keep 1 and will only consider selling it if my 1btc is worth over $1000 and only if Bitcoin2.0 was up and running  Wink

No Bitcoin2.0 no sale at any price  Cool
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April 03, 2013, 03:23:43 PM
#27
How about just starting a new coin? Or jumping ship to, say, bytecoin.

That's pretty much what me and my borther concluded would be the end result this actually happened, but then again we're back to square one. Except this time, as BigJohn stated, the pro-Bitcoiners would be billionaires who can use their new-found wealth to fund Bitcoin2/Bytecoin and maybe make its adoption rate a lot faster, etc.
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April 03, 2013, 03:21:55 PM
#26
I'd say not.  I have 1 BTC that I will never sell.  So... that's 1 BTC they couldn't buy.

Crisis averted.  Wink
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April 03, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
#25

How about a proper rebuttal, rather than name-calling? Of course we can always resort to handy little LOL-MEMES TROLL-MEMES when tough questions arise right? Wink
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April 03, 2013, 03:16:52 PM
#24
Replace bitcoin with gold.
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April 03, 2013, 02:48:59 PM
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April 03, 2013, 01:24:29 PM
#22
How about just starting a new coin? Or jumping ship to, say, bytecoin.
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April 03, 2013, 11:44:28 AM
#21
Well, 1,000,000$ would make me look stupid and irrealistic. Smiley
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April 03, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
#20
Only 1000$? Nah  Smiley
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April 03, 2013, 11:39:30 AM
#19
You now:
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Oh I won't sell my bitcoins EVER
You after the giant entity offers you 1,000$/BTC:
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Oh sure!
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April 03, 2013, 11:31:10 AM
#18
Of course they can! I sell 1 bitcoin for 10 tons of gold. Oh look, i have another bitcoin, i sell this one for 100 tons of gold plus 1 ton of diamonds. But wait, i have another bitcoin here. I sell this one for a base on the moon and on mars.  Cheesy Did i say that i have another bitcoin?
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April 03, 2013, 11:27:42 AM
#17
Not everyone is selling their bitcoins

At any price?

Speaking for myself, I'll always hold the private key which controls the value of 1 BTC even if the price goes to $1x10^9.  That because I will have sold others as the run-up occurred and won't need the money.  I imagine there are quite a few other geeks like me who have secret keys controlling value.

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April 03, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
#16
So I just told my younger brother about Bitcoin yesterday and today we got to discussing in-depth about it. It's the first time he's heard of them. As you would expect he was curious and asked very thoughtful questions.

One question he asked that really intrigued me is how an entity (one with very very large amount of fiat) that wanted to destroy Bitcoin could pull it off...

He asked: Couldn't they just buy up every single Bitcoin in existence at the highest asking price?

I don't know how to answer this, but it sounds to me that may be the single biggest soft-spot for Bitcoin to me.

Chances are this has already been asked but I don't know how to find the thread so I'll just post this.

What do you guys think?

Look up Supply and Demand.
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April 03, 2013, 07:05:50 AM
#15
So I just told my younger brother about Bitcoin yesterday and today we got to discussing in-depth about it. It's the first time he's heard of them. As you would expect he was curious and asked very thoughtful questions.

One question he asked that really intrigued me is how an entity (one with very very large amount of fiat) that wanted to destroy Bitcoin could pull it off...

He asked: Couldn't they just buy up every single Bitcoin in existence at the highest asking price?

I don't know how to answer this, but it sounds to me that may be the single biggest soft-spot for Bitcoin to me.

Chances are this has already been asked but I don't know how to find the thread so I'll just post this.

What do you guys think?

No, because not every single Bitcoin is made yet. In 2140 the last bitcoin will be made.

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April 03, 2013, 06:36:20 AM
#14
Thought about this it will become infinitely harder to buy the next bit coin, so it just pushes the price up and up and up, you can throw as much money as you want in and its all ok.
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April 03, 2013, 06:06:19 AM
#13
Yeah, all it would do is drive the price incredibly high. It's true that if the price gets high enough pretty much everyone would sell. I can't imagine not selling them at $1million a coin...

But as long as there's even 1 Bitcoin left, the whole thing could still run. Remember, the basic unit is actually the Satoshi, which is 0.00000001 of a Bitcoin. So each bitcoin is 100-million Satoshis. If each Bitcoin is worth $1billion, then each Satoshi would be worth $10. Still manageable to run the entire economy off of 1 Bitcoin, but it becomes a hassle at that point as it would need to get divided further down. I'm sure the protocol could be adjusted to further divide it down though.

The biggest problem with that scenario is that whoever is doing the attacking is obviously anti-Bitcoin. Yet what they just did is commit a massive transfer of wealth from anti-Bitcoin individuals, to a bunch of pro-Bitcoin individuals, who now have the knowledge and the incredible wealth behind them to create Bitcoin2.0 (if each 1BTC is a Billion dollars, then literally anyone who's pro-Bitcoin is now a Billionaire). And since Bitcoin is open-source, making a Bitcoin2.0 would be trivial, and this time a hell of a lot more powerful with a bunch of Billionaires backing it.

They would have to keep going until everyone who's anti-fiat is a Billionaire. Personally, I sure hope they do that Smiley

Excellent reply! This actually makes a lot of sense because the last few people to stay in the game will have huge fiat reserves with which to show the attacker a taste of their own medicine. By inflating the $%&* out of the fiats by spreading it around. Etc etc.

Good one, Thanks Wink

I need to get some sleep now lol it's 5 in the morining.
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April 03, 2013, 06:04:57 AM
#12
What someone with a lot of money could do, (and it would probably cost them dearly), is to pump and dump, over and over. They could jack the price up to sky-high amounts, and then dump all the bitcoins they bought, making the price incredibly unstable, and scaring everyone away.
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