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November 18, 2011, 02:10:09 PM
#31
Quote from: my_emails
Yourname,

Lorem ipsum.  Blahblahblah.  Blhablahblah.  Blahblahblah.

Mike
Sent from my iPhone

I'm pretty sure this email would go straight to my spam folder.
legendary
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November 18, 2011, 01:59:47 PM
#30
I routinely write e-mails without any kind of fluff, generally it's:

Quote from: my_emails
Yourname,

Lorem ipsum.  Blahblahblah.  Blhablahblah.  Blahblahblah.

Mike
Sent from my iPhone <--- if applicable (part of its signature)

I view myself as plenty professional.  I get straight to the point.  If my e-mail contains any decorative text, it's because I meant it.

Go Google for e-mails sent by Steve Jobs.  They're even briefer.

Well, it's good to be brief. But unless you are a multi-billionaire, I don't think you will get away with multi-billionaire-esque emails.
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
November 18, 2011, 01:46:37 PM
#29
Declarative statements are the new prose. I have two ears and one mouth. Folks seem to prefer that I listen and respond. I hope they reciprocate.
legendary
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November 18, 2011, 01:37:27 PM
#28
I routinely write e-mails without any kind of fluff, generally it's:

Quote from: my_emails
Yourname,

Lorem ipsum.  Blahblahblah.  Blhablahblah.  Blahblahblah.

Mike
Sent from my iPhone <--- if applicable (part of its signature)

I view myself as plenty professional.  I get straight to the point.  If my e-mail contains any decorative text, it's because I meant it.

Go Google for e-mails sent by Steve Jobs.  They're even briefer.

Well no offense, but I imagine nobody would expect much more than that from a trinket seller.  Additionally, the source of the complaints is being rude, or just one word replies, which are both unprofessional.  Your emails are neither, and I for one appreciate brevity. 
vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
November 18, 2011, 01:22:28 PM
#27
I routinely write e-mails without any kind of fluff, generally it's:

Quote from: my_emails
Yourname,

Lorem ipsum.  Blahblahblah.  Blhablahblah.  Blahblahblah.

Mike
Sent from my iPhone <--- if applicable (part of its signature)

I view myself as plenty professional.  I get straight to the point.  If my e-mail contains any decorative text, it's because I meant it.

Go Google for e-mails sent by Steve Jobs.  They're even briefer.
legendary
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November 18, 2011, 01:11:17 PM
#26
It's a good thing bitcoin is open for business to people from all backgrounds and ages. We'll see how the experiment goes. In a traditional business environment, however, if you showed lack of English skills as I have seen on these forums or lack of the use of >register< you'd have to fear that businesses would discontinue to work with you. I don't think everyone needs to be proficient in English, but if you want to do business with people internationally, it's a must. If you write to CEOs, you'd never even get a reply to your email if it was written in the wrong register, let alone grammar.

Then again, bitcoin is not a traditional business environment.
legendary
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November 18, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
#25
Because when I am giving someone my business or money, I would like to be treated with respect, not like some dude on facebook. 

So the answer to "why is politeness important?" is "because I want them to be polite when they talk to me". Thanks, now I get it.

You're so edgy I cut myself. 
hero member
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November 18, 2011, 12:28:07 PM
#24
Yeah, this is very unprofessional..


You should take a page from CAvirtex, those guys are pros..

All my emails have been responded to with haste and professionalism, not like a child is running the biz. your dealing with.

Except for the fact that I have never had a transfer go through in "less than 48 hours" as they promise. It always takes over 120 hours not counting weekends.
hero member
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November 18, 2011, 12:18:08 PM
#23
Because when I am giving someone my business or money, I would like to be treated with respect, not like some dude on facebook. 

So the answer to "why is politeness important?" is "because I want them to be polite when they talk to me". Thanks, now I get it.

"Hey asshole, why is your money not in my wallet yet? Get to it stat!"

Is this what you'd rather have?
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You're fat, because you dont have any pics on FB
November 18, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
#22
Yeah, this is very unprofessional..


You should take a page from CAvirtex, those guys are pros..

All my emails have been responded to with haste and professionalism, not like a child is running the biz. your dealing with.
legendary
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November 18, 2011, 11:04:56 AM
#21
Why is politeness so important to old people?

Because when I am giving someone my business or money, I would like to be treated with respect, not like some dude on facebook. 
hero member
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November 18, 2011, 10:57:10 AM
#20
In recent dealings with some newer Bitcoin exchanges I have found email correspondence to be IMHO rather unprofessional.

Although I am not going to name names I am specifically talking about receiving emails that (a) didn't include any company information or any person's name, (b) did not have hi/hello or any sort of greeting (I am referring to the an initial email/reply rather than any follow ups) and (c) contained one or more facetious remarks (as seemingly these companies doesn't like having any criticism being made about their services).

Having worked as a software engineer for over 20 years I know how professional support should work (and have even done my share when the company I worked for didn't have enough personal for specific support staff). Anyone who sent emails like the ones I have recently received would have been quickly "let go" from every company that I have worked for.

Have I missed something in the past few years - is this "attitude" towards customers is the new norm or is this just a Bitcoin thing?


Regards,

Ian Knowles.


This forum post (a) didn't include any company information (b) did not have hi/hello or any sort of greeting (I am referring to the an initial posting rather than any follow up replies (c) contained one or more facetious remarks (as seemingly this poster doesn't like having getting "attitude").
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
November 18, 2011, 09:49:41 AM
#19
Average age of bitcoin community is about 20 I think. Young people these days have no manners.  Tongue
It's not even that, it's just that the internet revolves around brevity.
Coming from someone who tends to write endless posts, this is a rather interesting opinion.

It just goes to show ya. You can't please all of the people all of the time. heh
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November 18, 2011, 09:36:59 AM
#18
Average age of bitcoin community is about 20 I think. Young people these days have no manners.  Tongue
It's not even that, it's just that the internet revolves around brevity.
Coming from someone who tends to write endless posts, this is a rather interesting opinion.

This googley eyed hamburger is just my hyper energy outlet. Blah blah blah. I don't act like this in real life. Ask anyone here who has met me (including Vicente who I invited to live with me here in Korea while we work on some projects together).

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November 18, 2011, 08:46:46 AM
#17
Average age of bitcoin community is about 20 I think. Young people these days have no manners.  Tongue
It's not even that, it's just that the internet revolves around brevity.
Coming from someone who tends to write endless posts, this is a rather interesting opinion.
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November 18, 2011, 07:48:00 AM
#16
Lacking "polite fluff" is the least of the problems with that email...

"Dear" and "sincerely" sound much too formal to me. Some sort of "hello" is polite if you're the one opening the conversation. I almost never include a formal valediction, and usually not even an informal one.

  I have to agree on this level of formalness being unnecessary for most business correspondence. Speaking of businesses outside of bitcoin, I tend to get a little suspicious if the person is being too 'nice'. It makes me wonder things like, "Do they really need my business that bad, or, are they up to something". The closing sentiment should not be much more than 'Thanks', 'Regards', and at most, as I get from a lot of Asian correspondence, 'Kind Regards'. The later would probably be creepy if coming from a US business and would bring back my suspicions.

  That said, the body should never carry tones of defensiveness but this is not a Bitcoin product. I had a response just the other day from a sales manager at a very large distributor that had a lot of defensive undertones in it. It was in reply to my directing a question of his repsonse time on a quote back to him AND his boss. ;p Hey, I was told 24-48 hours for a quote and six days later had not recieved one. On that same note, I made sure my reply did not 'feed' into that and was straight forward with my intentions.

  TL;DR All people are subject to unprofessionalism, not just Bitcoiners. And, it takes two to conduct business profesionally
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November 18, 2011, 07:09:51 AM
#15
Well, I received a one word response from Btc-e when I contacted them about my missing deposit without any resolution. I'm still waiting for a response that contains more than just one word saying "check". That was the most ridiculous response I received from an exchange. Completely unprofessional. Still, I wouldn't say it's normal considering MtGox has been very good so far with communication, but it isn't out of the ordinary when dealing with no name exchanges seeing another exchange being even worse than btc-e.

When an exchange responds with such little professionalism, it is best to just avoid them completely because that is not a normal attitude of a bitcoin exchange that will be around for a while.

Yes i would have to agree with you on every level, At WBX we like to learn from our mistakes, let me tell you this has taught us a good lesson, we have made the necessary steps to not substitute simplicity for professionalism in the way we conduct business, we will do the best we can to not let this happen again to our customers in the future.

Thanks Ian for understanding.

Andre
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November 18, 2011, 06:45:21 AM
#14
Well, I received a one word response from Btc-e when I contacted them about my missing deposit without any resolution. I'm still waiting for a response that contains more than just one word saying "check". That was the most ridiculous response I received from an exchange. Completely unprofessional. Still, I wouldn't say it's normal considering MtGox has been very good so far with communication, but it isn't out of the ordinary when dealing with no name exchanges seeing another exchange being even worse than btc-e.

When an exchange responds with such little professionalism, it is best to just avoid them completely because that is not a normal attitude of a bitcoin exchange that will be around for a while.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
November 18, 2011, 06:41:07 AM
#13
Just confirming that Andre has let me know he won't freeze my account.

I gather they are under a lot of stress and don't wish to create a flame war (was just a little upset).


Regards,

Ian Knowles.
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November 18, 2011, 06:33:32 AM
#12
While I don't have any opinion on this particular instance of alleged unprofessional behavior, I'd rather do business with a company that's honest and forthright than one that gives me nothing but vague marketspeak and empty politeness.
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