Is tradehill.com really hosted on a shared hosting account? - page 2.

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Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 07:28:12 PM

Quote from: sakkaku on June 21, 2011, 06:55:58 PM

Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

If you successfully compiled or uploaded a packet sniffer on virtual machine #1, it will sniff packets for every other virtual machine on that box.

Each virtual machine is bound to their own IP address so you can't listen to other machines on the same box. You however could listen to any broadcasts on the local network, or anything else a bare metal server could do.

It is the same physical card in the same physical machine. C++ is quite powerful.

C++ my face.

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Quote from: sakkaku on June 21, 2011, 06:55:58 PM

Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

If you successfully compiled or uploaded a packet sniffer on virtual machine #1, it will sniff packets for every other virtual machine on that box.

Each virtual machine is bound to their own IP address so you can't listen to other machines on the same box. You however could listen to any broadcasts on the local network, or anything else a bare metal server could do.

It is the same physical card in the same physical machine. C++ is quite powerful.

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I'm pretty sure it's Hostgator or at least something similar. Their site can obviously handle no more traffic than Susie's Geocities page about beanie babies.

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Quote from: Mr. E on June 21, 2011, 06:10:57 PM

VPS is a step up from shared hosting, but really, I am surprised to know that they do not have their own dedicated server. A dedicated server is only around $100 to $200 USD a month.

Some VPS's are 400 dollars per month and four times as good as a 100 dollar dedicated server. All depends on the quality and service.

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Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 07:13:23 PM

Quote from: sakkaku on June 21, 2011, 07:01:08 PM

Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

You also place an inordinate amount of trust on the jail system of the OS -- making sure that the various virtual machines can't see each other across the harddrive(s) they share.

They don't share any partitions. In fact each virtual machine has their own install of an OS and they can't mount other volumes from the host machine.

Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

And lastly, you'd be sharing SQL database access with everyone else on the virtual machine. That could open up vulnerabilities if permissions are not exactly right.

No. Each machine runs their own services. Each VM will have a web server, sql, etc or whatever else the operator wants.

This depends on the setup.

I derped a little. But it is exceptionally hard to get past the hypervisor to access other customers.

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Quote from: sakkaku on June 21, 2011, 07:01:08 PM

Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

You also place an inordinate amount of trust on the jail system of the OS -- making sure that the various virtual machines can't see each other across the harddrive(s) they share.

They don't share any hard drives. In fact each virtual machine has their own install of an OS and they can't mount other volumes from the host machine.

Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

And lastly, you'd be sharing SQL database access with everyone else on the virtual machine. That could open up vulnerabilities if permissions are not exactly right.

No. Each machine runs their own services. Each VM will have a web server, sql, etc or whatever else the operator wants.

This depends on the setup.

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Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

You also place an inordinate amount of trust on the jail system of the OS -- making sure that the various virtual machines can't see each other across the harddrive(s) they share.

They don't share any hard drives. In fact each virtual machine has their own install of an OS and they can't mount other volumes from the host machine.

Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

And lastly, you'd be sharing SQL database access with everyone else on the virtual machine. That could open up vulnerabilities if permissions are not exactly right.

No. Each machine runs their own services. Each VM will have a web server, sql, etc or whatever else the operator wants.

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Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 06:21:28 PM

Unless they prove them self or have someone as a security expert, it will be much safer for them to use shared hosting rather than a VPS/dedicated server.

That presumes that every other account on that very same box isn't doing anything dishonest.

If you successfully compiled or uploaded a packet sniffer on virtual machine #1, it will sniff packets for every other virtual machine on that box.

You also place an inordinate amount of trust on the jail system of the OS -- making sure that the various virtual machines can't see each other across the harddrive(s) they share.

And lastly, you'd be sharing SQL database access with everyone else on the virtual machine. That could open up vulnerabilities if permissions are not exactly right.

This goes back to what I just said.

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Quote from: Epinnoia on June 21, 2011, 06:44:30 PM

If you successfully compiled or uploaded a packet sniffer on virtual machine #1, it will sniff packets for every other virtual machine on that box.

Each virtual machine is bound to their own IP address so you can't listen to other machines on the same box. You however could listen to any broadcasts on the local network, or anything else a bare metal server could do.

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Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 06:21:28 PM

Unless they prove them self or have someone as a security expert, it will be much safer for them to use shared hosting rather than a VPS/dedicated server.

That presumes that every other account on that very same box isn't doing anything dishonest.

If you successfully compiled or uploaded a packet sniffer on virtual machine #1, it will sniff packets for every other virtual machine on that box.

You also place an inordinate amount of trust on the jail system of the OS -- making sure that the various virtual machines can't see each other across the harddrive(s) they share.

And lastly, you'd be sharing SQL database access with everyone else on the virtual machine. That could open up vulnerabilities if permissions are not exactly right.

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Quote from: Icy- on June 21, 2011, 06:21:28 PM

Unless they prove them self or have someone as a security expert, it will be much safer for them to use shared hosting rather than a VPS/dedicated server.

Why is that? How is shared hosting safer than VPS or a dedicated server? I don't know much about these things but I have been told that if you have a shared hosting account your site is more or less only as secure as any other site sharing that server.

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nslookup tradehill.com

46.21.104.237

RIPE WHOIS:

inetnum: 46.21.104.0 - 46.21.105.255
netname: GLESYS-CUSTOMER-SERVERS
descr: Customer VPS services located in Falkenberg, Sweden
remarks: INFRA-AW
country: SE
admin-c: GLE-RIPE
tech-c: GLE-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: GLESYS-MNT
mnt-domains: GLESYS-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

Main website: http://glesys.com/

VPS Details: http://glesys.com/vps.php

Not bad, they probably could migrate to dedicated later.

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Unless they prove them self or have someone as a security expert, it will be much safer for them to use shared hosting rather than a VPS/dedicated server.

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Quote from: Mr. E on June 21, 2011, 05:57:28 PM

Someone made a comment earlier today that tradehill.com is hosted on a shared server, was that guy having a laugh or is that true? That would be scary if it is true because you cannot have a secure site when you are hosted on a shared server.

More than one thread mentioned shared hosting.
I questioned it and people replied "Hostgator."
It could very well be true.

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VPS is a step up from shared hosting, but really, I am surprised to know that they do not have their own dedicated server. A dedicated server is only around $100 to $200 USD a month.

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Quote from: TonyHoyle on June 21, 2011, 06:04:58 PM

It looks like it's a VPS.

This isn't the same as a shared webhost - it's much closer to a separate machine (except somewhat cheaper). I presume it's a temporary measure until the income is enough to afford full hosting.

It's pretty secure, unless the hosting company is dishonest.. and I expect we'd hear about that pretty quick.

Shared hosting is when usually 100s of websites are stored within one server, that server being maintained by the website host.
VPS is a server that is split up 2 or more times to create virtual servers, kind of like how VMWARE works to give you a good idea.

Having your own dedicated server doesn't at all mean more security, it can infact mean more security issues because they usually maintain their own server. At least with shared hosting, security of the server isn't your problem, but you also have little control.

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It looks like it's a VPS.

This isn't the same as a shared webhost - it's much closer to a separate machine (except somewhat cheaper). I presume it's a temporary measure until the income is enough to afford full hosting.

It's pretty secure, unless the hosting company is dishonest.. and I expect we'd hear about that pretty quick.

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Someone made a comment earlier today that tradehill.com is hosted on a shared server, was that guy having a laugh or is that true? That would be scary if it is true because you cannot have a secure site when you are hosted on a shared server.

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