Topic: Is Trump right about blaming China for Covid19? (Read 1089 times)
I think that Trump has the right to blame China, in his previous speech in the U.N General Assembly even calling the Covid19 "China Virus". They are living in the first world country which gives them all the resources to stop and contain the virus themselves, however they chose not to take a prompt action to stop the said virus, instead focused on taking advantage on making profit through vaccines and other preventive materials to stop the virus. I believe this is planned all along by a greater group to achieve whatever they want by any means necessary, we're just the casualties here.
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to me. it was america that didnt do anything to halt it at the border
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to me. it was america that didnt do anything to halt it at the border
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America (US?) is not the only country in the world and since the Chinese did not provide much data, there was no way of knowing how fast it would spread, would it?
And why did it arrive to Italy first if the repatriation flights were the reason for the spread?
Human mindset is often biased in order to look for liable actors when there is not enough information. Storms were sent by Gods in ancient age, and calamities in villages were caused by witches at the time of the inquisition.
I have no data (I really doubt anyone has real, first hand, evidence) to prove that this pandemics has been caused by the human. Why has it had to be provoked? and if someone wanted a biological weapon, wouldn't it be more reasonable to create one that wouldn't get out of hand?
Casualties happen; it seems that this time it has been China, but it could have been anywhere else (no, we don't eat pangolins in occident but we test with genetics we don't know) and the way to solve great problems for humanity is not blaming each other or looking for liabilities, but with cooperation and solidarity among nations.
I think I still don't belong here, then
I have no data (I really doubt anyone has real, first hand, evidence) to prove that this pandemics has been caused by the human. Why has it had to be provoked? and if someone wanted a biological weapon, wouldn't it be more reasonable to create one that wouldn't get out of hand?
Casualties happen; it seems that this time it has been China, but it could have been anywhere else (no, we don't eat pangolins in occident but we test with genetics we don't know) and the way to solve great problems for humanity is not blaming each other or looking for liabilities, but with cooperation and solidarity among nations.
the amount of conspiracy theorists in the ivory tower amazes me.
I think I still don't belong here, then
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Labs in other countries also have copies of the virus, and this could indicate that it is a bio warfare weapon.
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Labs in other countries also have copies of the virus, and this could indicate that it is a bio warfare weapon.
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It is obviously not a weapon, it does not have the right features for that.
the amount of conspiracy theorists in the ivory tower amazes me.
the simple answer is china locked down its flights. other countries then done repatriation flights against chinese advice. any and all spread due to people on repatriation flights that then passed it on is sole fault of the country doing the repatriation flights. end of
the simple answer is china locked down its flights. other countries then done repatriation flights against chinese advice. any and all spread due to people on repatriation flights that then passed it on is sole fault of the country doing the repatriation flights. end of
And what if it turns out to be the US who created and released the virus. Should they have to pay
Yes
My guess : totally wrong. It's the biden / obama crew who released covid on china to weaken china and steal the election from trump backed with their massive fraud, to then implement their "brave new world", which china by the way stand in the way... like many other so called "rogue" nations, like russia, iran etc, in short anyone not on the pedogate lists.
Could the Chinesse government have avoided the global pandemic? Should China pay war reparations to the world?
I don’t think war reparations would be correct term.
I think that time line shows a mass kill off of pigs 🐷 in early 2019 in china.
more then 150,000,000 pigs died.
First human signs were in early fall.
Spy satellites show crowded hospital 🏥 parking lots in October.
Lastly cell phone company Huawei had 20,000,000 cell phone contracts cancelled in China.
So basically if all of the above is true. China made it worse for everyone.
But all of the above hash been culled from the internet tv and radio info.
So how accurate is it?
usually something is only worthy of action if it causes death. china reacted before anyone died.
they didnt just say 'oh its the flu, dont worry some people die of it'. they actually realised that the symptomology was worse then 'the flu' they identified that it is a new varient they reported it and they sealed off the wetmarket. all before the first person died.
however america was calling it just a flu and even as people died they said oh well its the flu. its why idiots on this very forum still think 'its just a flu' because its what they heard from trump back in january/february/march
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here is some facts for the trump fanatics/covid deniers
there are ~6100 hospitals in america and normal flu last year had 22k deaths which is less than 4 deaths per hospital per year. chance of 4 people dying at same time is minimal
so when 4 people turn up at same time, gasping for air.. something is up.
when more then 4 people turn up. that is a sign something is not right.
so if your towns hospital has had more then 4 people die. just think about it. and realise its not just 'the flu'
if you want to rebutt that only 200k die so its only 10x worse then the flu.. no
200k is only 7month tally with 6months of surpressing the spread. meaning if it was a normal like for like scenario with no lockdown(like other years) there would be and still can be many more deaths.
looking at covid deaths of april. (during lockdown) deaths count was over 20k in just 14 days. yep even with the spread being surpressed the amounts dying of covid surpassed flu deaths for a year. in just 14 days
so with china, when a person coming in with severe symptoms. and then same week half a dozen. then next week 20+ they knew it wasnt 'the flu' and that was before anyone died. and that was before janary3st. just 14 days after patient zero. so yea china reacted quickly. america didnt
they didnt just say 'oh its the flu, dont worry some people die of it'. they actually realised that the symptomology was worse then 'the flu' they identified that it is a new varient they reported it and they sealed off the wetmarket. all before the first person died.
however america was calling it just a flu and even as people died they said oh well its the flu. its why idiots on this very forum still think 'its just a flu' because its what they heard from trump back in january/february/march
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here is some facts for the trump fanatics/covid deniers
there are ~6100 hospitals in america and normal flu last year had 22k deaths which is less than 4 deaths per hospital per year. chance of 4 people dying at same time is minimal
so when 4 people turn up at same time, gasping for air.. something is up.
when more then 4 people turn up. that is a sign something is not right.
so if your towns hospital has had more then 4 people die. just think about it. and realise its not just 'the flu'
if you want to rebutt that only 200k die so its only 10x worse then the flu.. no
200k is only 7month tally with 6months of surpressing the spread. meaning if it was a normal like for like scenario with no lockdown(like other years) there would be and still can be many more deaths.
looking at covid deaths of april. (during lockdown) deaths count was over 20k in just 14 days. yep even with the spread being surpressed the amounts dying of covid surpassed flu deaths for a year. in just 14 days
so with china, when a person coming in with severe symptoms. and then same week half a dozen. then next week 20+ they knew it wasnt 'the flu' and that was before anyone died. and that was before janary3st. just 14 days after patient zero. so yea china reacted quickly. america didnt
It would be wrong to blame it all entirely on China. China could have delayed the spread if they have acted quickly but I don't think it would have been contained anywhere.
The change in political rhetoric of Trump regarding Coronavirus is also a reason why not to take his words seriously. He at a point called it less dangerous than a flu. China could have thought the same.
Even at this time, there are several new waves of virus spread even though the world knows what it is and how to contain it. No, the new waves are not coming from China. There could be other political reasons to isolate China but blaming all the deaths and loss due to this virus on China is provocation.
There are even rumors that the countries that have miserably failed to contain the virus are looking for wars just to deviate the minds of their citizens. A tested and proven way to hide your incompetency.
The change in political rhetoric of Trump regarding Coronavirus is also a reason why not to take his words seriously. He at a point called it less dangerous than a flu. China could have thought the same.
Even at this time, there are several new waves of virus spread even though the world knows what it is and how to contain it. No, the new waves are not coming from China. There could be other political reasons to isolate China but blaming all the deaths and loss due to this virus on China is provocation.
There are even rumors that the countries that have miserably failed to contain the virus are looking for wars just to deviate the minds of their citizens. A tested and proven way to hide your incompetency.
but when it started to spread to secondary people that never went to the wet market in first few days of january. china made the announcement in the first week january. when they only had 44 patients.
it was never favoured in the first place
but surprisingly china is not as communist as it was in the <1980s, so now its more capitalist, people are starting to be able to get away with more
yep i said it china is no longer communist by definition.
poaching wild animals has been banned for decades. the loop hole used is if the anima is taken for captive breeding
(pangolin farms) where it then becomes harder to work out whats a recently caught wild pangolin or a captively bred pangolin.
they are trying to find ways to stop the laundering of poached animals to prevent them getting into the 'legal' farms. not just to prevent disease spread. but also because its been illegal for dacades anyway
and yes american cows are government watched more than chinese animals so yep america have more regulation and monitoring of animals. which is why i laugh when america call china the surveillance state
Evidence seems to indicate that sewage water in Italy contained traces of the virus in November.
The Wuhan laboratory that is credited with creating the virus is partly funded by Fauci.
Labs in other countries also have copies of the virus, and this could indicate that it is a bio warfare weapon.
Isn't it convenient that the recent typhoon was centred on Beijing, and the US has claimed that it is able to change the climate of a country to force regime change.
In my opinion, the covid virus has as much to do with the CCP as Spanish 'flu has to do with Spain.
The Wuhan laboratory that is credited with creating the virus is partly funded by Fauci.
Labs in other countries also have copies of the virus, and this could indicate that it is a bio warfare weapon.
Isn't it convenient that the recent typhoon was centred on Beijing, and the US has claimed that it is able to change the climate of a country to force regime change.
In my opinion, the covid virus has as much to do with the CCP as Spanish 'flu has to do with Spain.
I agree on your last sentence only.
but when it started to spread to secondary people that never went to the wet market in first few days of january. china made the announcement in the first week january. when they only had 44 patients.
Has China prohibited the consumption of wild animals now?
And what if it turns out to be the US who created and released the virus. Should they have to pay
Currently the US has unleashed the virus on numerous other countries.
What has Trump done to stop it from spreading to other countries ?
And what if it turns out to be the US who created and released the virus. Should they have to pay
Could the Chinesse government have avoided the global pandemic?
I think there is more than meets the eye here with this pandemic. It's obvious that China isn't saying the truth on what caused it. And to this effect I think the pandemic was an experiment gone wrong. For whatsoever the reason was in the first place, China has jeopardized the world at large.Should China pay war reparations to the world?
If found culpable, China should pay. And I believe the US will see to that.
All I can say is yes. China's main target is USA, probably to reduce their world power, and reducing their economic standard. Why is the virus now more concentrated in USA?
This is my take on this.
This is my take on this.
to answer some old points above
in the 2003 sars outbreak. by march2003 there were only ~60 deaths and ~1200 known infected people cumilative
so any the talk about the global pandemic and trying to worry the world seemed over the top in february-march because in february march it was only located in one province. thus not even a global issue
yes in hindsight they found samples of patients with "pneumonia' and retested those and found people in november2002 had it. but your talking about 1-2 cases.
but remember in january there were only a few cases. not even worthy of world reporting or world lockdown calls.
but yea hindsight by making it sound like "there was a mass global issue that started in november' makes peolple think it already spready to the world in november.
.. reality is that it was only in the world from april onwards and in march was only in a privince and in january-february was only in a city and in december was only in a neighbourhood
thus not a global problem november-march
after all a country of 1billion with only a few(dec)-1k(march) localised cases. heck hospitals could cope with it.
so no need of world panic
governments in the first week of february told all the hospitals to be on the watch for it
and by february 11th the public knew too. and was given advice
and ofcourse just like the UK and america were not going to go into full country lockdown unless it was to become an issue where hospitals couldnt cope.
remember in february 2003 it was still only a few hundred cases in just a couple cities of one province
(~300 feb 11th)
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the question to ask is. (hint answer can be found in the actions of trump in 2020)
if california had a few cases in orange county and santa clara county in january. do you think trump would have implemented full country lockdown and international flight stoppages.. or would he only do so once californian hospitals were only a week or two away from being at critical bed occupency
oh wait we know that answer
anyway. back to the 2003 sars
while in march2003 where there were only 1200 cases, which doing the math is a good control of reducing the R0 to 1.6 from a (in hindsight research: 2.9 wild)
china are not new to outbreaks and they had somewhat control of it without causing mass panic/social disruption. fir every1 infected they actually contact traced 7 close contacts and requested they isolate themselves at home
but in february again where there were only ~300 cases the public gossip were saying it was bird flue and anthrax
yep public gossip of terror attack was causing mass panic. even with only a few hundred cases across a couple cities of millions of people
the government by feb 11th stepped in to correct the gossip and said they had processes to keep it under control. which looking at the numbers they were keeping it below an r0 of 1.6 shows that yep they were doing something.
in march it got to 1200 and in april it got to 5000 (r0 1.4) and it was this point where they decided to tighten restrictions and bring the r0 to ~0.4
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the question to really ask is
should it cause mass world wide panic everytime there is a new illness that is only affecting a few hundred out of millions
i know some people that will say one case is one case too many and needed to be stopped at source
i know some people that will say let it spread but control the speed to not overwhelm healthcare
i know some people that will say let it spread wild/uncontrolled. "coz darwin 'survival of fittest'"
as for saying that china is known for its media blackouts.
lets fast forward to 2020 and what we actually know
check out trump trying to denounce its severity and calling it a hoax in january/february
heck theres even idiots in july that are still clinging onto the words of the trumpet january country bumpkin song even now
it is funny how trump was saying that china was not talking about it. even though that same day china were building hospitals. and advising people to be careful. while trump was trying to make the virus a myth and bring people from china to the US.
so.
when a new illness is recognised. should there be full quarantine at the first week. full media scare around the world at the first week
or just inform the regions that are effected. and keep it controlled in the regions as best as possible. and only cause social disrupting when the pathogen is actually socially disrupting
in the 2003 sars outbreak. by march2003 there were only ~60 deaths and ~1200 known infected people cumilative
so any the talk about the global pandemic and trying to worry the world seemed over the top in february-march because in february march it was only located in one province. thus not even a global issue
yes in hindsight they found samples of patients with "pneumonia' and retested those and found people in november2002 had it. but your talking about 1-2 cases.
but remember in january there were only a few cases. not even worthy of world reporting or world lockdown calls.
but yea hindsight by making it sound like "there was a mass global issue that started in november' makes peolple think it already spready to the world in november.
.. reality is that it was only in the world from april onwards and in march was only in a privince and in january-february was only in a city and in december was only in a neighbourhood
thus not a global problem november-march
after all a country of 1billion with only a few(dec)-1k(march) localised cases. heck hospitals could cope with it.
so no need of world panic
governments in the first week of february told all the hospitals to be on the watch for it
and by february 11th the public knew too. and was given advice
and ofcourse just like the UK and america were not going to go into full country lockdown unless it was to become an issue where hospitals couldnt cope.
remember in february 2003 it was still only a few hundred cases in just a couple cities of one province
(~300 feb 11th)
..
the question to ask is. (hint answer can be found in the actions of trump in 2020)
if california had a few cases in orange county and santa clara county in january. do you think trump would have implemented full country lockdown and international flight stoppages.. or would he only do so once californian hospitals were only a week or two away from being at critical bed occupency
oh wait we know that answer
anyway. back to the 2003 sars
while in march2003 where there were only 1200 cases, which doing the math is a good control of reducing the R0 to 1.6 from a (in hindsight research: 2.9 wild)
china are not new to outbreaks and they had somewhat control of it without causing mass panic/social disruption. fir every1 infected they actually contact traced 7 close contacts and requested they isolate themselves at home
but in february again where there were only ~300 cases the public gossip were saying it was bird flue and anthrax
yep public gossip of terror attack was causing mass panic. even with only a few hundred cases across a couple cities of millions of people
the government by feb 11th stepped in to correct the gossip and said they had processes to keep it under control. which looking at the numbers they were keeping it below an r0 of 1.6 shows that yep they were doing something.
in march it got to 1200 and in april it got to 5000 (r0 1.4) and it was this point where they decided to tighten restrictions and bring the r0 to ~0.4
..
the question to really ask is
should it cause mass world wide panic everytime there is a new illness that is only affecting a few hundred out of millions
i know some people that will say one case is one case too many and needed to be stopped at source
i know some people that will say let it spread but control the speed to not overwhelm healthcare
i know some people that will say let it spread wild/uncontrolled. "coz darwin 'survival of fittest'"
as for saying that china is known for its media blackouts.
lets fast forward to 2020 and what we actually know
check out trump trying to denounce its severity and calling it a hoax in january/february
heck theres even idiots in july that are still clinging onto the words of the trumpet january country bumpkin song even now
it is funny how trump was saying that china was not talking about it. even though that same day china were building hospitals. and advising people to be careful. while trump was trying to make the virus a myth and bring people from china to the US.
so.
when a new illness is recognised. should there be full quarantine at the first week. full media scare around the world at the first week
or just inform the regions that are effected. and keep it controlled in the regions as best as possible. and only cause social disrupting when the pathogen is actually socially disrupting
Evidence seems to indicate that sewage water in Italy contained traces of the virus in November.
The Wuhan laboratory that is credited with creating the virus is partly funded by Fauci.
Labs in other countries also have copies of the virus, and this could indicate that it is a bio warfare weapon.
Isn't it convenient that the recent typhoon was centred on Beijing, and the US has claimed that it is able to change the climate of a country to force regime change.
In my opinion, the covid virus has as much to do with the CCP as Spanish 'flu has to do with Spain.
The Wuhan laboratory that is credited with creating the virus is partly funded by Fauci.
Labs in other countries also have copies of the virus, and this could indicate that it is a bio warfare weapon.
Isn't it convenient that the recent typhoon was centred on Beijing, and the US has claimed that it is able to change the climate of a country to force regime change.
In my opinion, the covid virus has as much to do with the CCP as Spanish 'flu has to do with Spain.
Could the Chinesse government have avoided the global pandemic? Should China pay war reparations to the world?
I don't think they could have avoided it. The incubation for Corona Virus is quite a long time and people didn't know how serious it would be until it got out there. Turns out, it doesn't seem to be as bad as all the hype has said it would be anyway. A lot of the death numbers are inflated higher than they should be.
As for your second question, absolutely not.
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