Topic: Is WinTomato casino SCAM? (Read 383 times)

I am not defending WinTomato, but if a casino has a strict policy against the abusers and those who do not follow the rules, we cannot classify the casino as a scam one, based on that. A casino has all the rights penalize the abusers of the system.


I don't buy this opinion that based on the points systems calculation you may call them a scam casino site. Maybe they have a different calculation method of calculating the points and that may not match with your understanding of calculation of points and the stages.
Tell me if they ever scam you with the money, not let you withdraw or are not fair in their games etc ?

They have no details about how they calculate the referral commission and only for that you will call any gambling site whether a casino or sportsbook a scammer?? Don't you think it is crazy? Also, as you have not got a good number of commissions now you are telling it as Ponzi! Would you like to explain in which sense you considered the gambling site as a Ponzi site?

They dont give correct numbers of points which is necessary to collect to get bigger casino level.Like  example I should get for every 80 bets 1 level point but I get about 2x lower amount.I asked them in live chat,in telegram also and they just tell me again read your profile and they ignore me for forever,they just dont care.They are scamming people with giving less points for level so people need then invite more people more then expected to get higher level but higher level is good for faster betting.Also for getting level points from referral total amount of bets they dont have nothing written in their FAQ or TOS.

I wouldn't say win tomato is a scam, but they have some strict rules about abusers, even those who claim the faucet too many times can get in trouble. Maybe they detect some kind of abuse in the affiliate engine and decide not to pay the whole amount or block the account. Not sure, we need more information to understand the full context.

Those who are into the system or gambling in the casino will tell you more about the casino and from the way you make the dispute with them here and I will say it is not a Ponzi Scheme. I think Win Tomato was running a Signature Campaign here in the forum and I have not heard any accusation from the users and you are the first person I am seeing. And I can't say they are 100% good but you have to contact the customer service channel to know what really happened. Before you got a commission from a referral service then you have to follow the rules that are guiding the process if not all your works would be vain.

OP after reading through, I had to check for myself to see the wintomato profile and I noticed some trust issues with the wintomato account to be facing some allegations which they have not answered. Therefore I would not be able to really give them a clean or clear stand here and looking at the replies from other members, then it is obvious that wintomato can not be trusted. Looking at your complaints, it is obvious that you might likely not get any resolution but I would advise you watch clearly while observing your stay with them.
Lastly, I will advise you move this topic to scam board as it does looks cool here.

This isn't only a risk with new casinos, it's also an existing risk with existing established casinos.

Cloudbet did something to me when they were already very reputable.
For you to get everything you are actually owed, you would need to go with a very very reputable casino but oftentimes an issue with these is that everyone has an account already. So it's hard to get proper leads.

Yes, the same thing i said to OP when he posted on BTCGUSO thread which managed by efialtis. The OP has a point of complaining it's experience but opening a scam accusation is a different story and needs valid proofs from his side. On the other side, it doesn't change the fact that wintomato have a habit of disregarding their affiliate partners which is not good in any way.

Wintomato has an active issue against @efialtis which is a reputable member here that involves on casino industry. They have almost same issue with OP which wintomato doesn’t honor their referral commission percentage agreement. Reading this thread remind me about the issue and makes me believe that OP has the right to make an accusation against this casino.

You can check the trust history of wintomato for the negative feedback sent to them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3346646

You are right in what you are saying: when users of a casino's platform are not given what they deserve, it can be considered scamming their client users.

But if it's just an accusation and no strong evidence can be shown, it turns out that they're just defaming the casino platform, right? Because it will turn out that in the end, if there is no evidence, it will just be a rumor or a false allegation in a casino. Though I'm not defending Wintomato,.

That's red flag already if a casino representative ignore those existing problems or inquiries since it means that they don't care much on their people. But since there's issue like what have raise up here plus the OP's case still not been taken care by them or they should put some clarifications regarding on what people want to ask here then I guess maybe its better to stop temporarily if some people play at their casino to avoid any further more issues to come. If they let this issue last for more days and those other issue exist I guess it could destroy their reputation since many might think about they are not good casino and this thinking or accusations may influence a lot of people to avoid their casino since they think about that this is scam.

I'm not an expert in this field, but in most cases the casinos state in their Terms of Service that they could change the commission levels and structure and the conditions of their affiliate/referral programs anytime they want. Participating in a referral or affiliate program means that you rely on the mercy of the casino to get your hard earned commissions. If the casino decides not to pay your commissions(or decides to lower your commissions), there's nothing you can do. That's why I think that most referral programs are a waste of time. You are making more money for the casino(by getting them new customers) and receiving peanuts as a commission.
I can't tell if Wintomato is a scam casino or not. I don't have any experience with them.

I think before the account is enrolled in their referral system, they have the binding terms and agreement to agreed with.  If the casino is not delivering what is promised then it is fall under fraud.  Since we do not have enough knowledge on how the affiliate system of Wintomato works, we can only speculate.  Hopefully the representative of the said casino give us some lights by replying on this thread.


Regardless, the casino should be bound by its own terms and should not modify or change it abruptly without prior notice.  This way the people who are in the affiliate system won't be surprised or caught unaware about the changes.

we have to consider alot of things before declaring them scam,  although their trust profile already has a red tag to it and the offense is on something similar to this also which is why we may have some level of doubt in the casino to be possible scam,  although we have learned that many casinos already owns the right to paythey referral earners whatever amount they think is ok for them.

I think there should be a fixed amount in payment for referral earnings this way it will solve the crisis of payment infractions such as this case.

Yeah I had tried their service at one point, that was when they just introduced their platform in the forum.  All is doing well since I have no problem with deposit and withdrawal at that point.  I even enjoy claiming their faucet and all works smoothly, until the issue with the BTCGosu appears.  By then I stopped playing on their platform since they did not solve the problems and the inquiries of members about what really happens.

It is somehow disappointing to witness forum users and platform players inquiries getting ignored so I thought that with the casino representative attitude, headache is pretty possible and i wanted to avoid that.

I came across some complaints of users here on the said casino before, and idk if they were resolved or not. Never really followed the casino, though they've had a signature campaign here I believe. Anyway, just ping their support continuously and ask for an explanation. Don't bother if they eventually block you or not, but update here if they do so other people avoid them. No shady casinos deserve to operate here in this space. Hopefully they make it up to you, but I highly doubt it.

They don't need to come here, they just need to reply to the concern of their players and that can be good.
Not all crypto gambling site are here, most of them are not aware of this platform at all, and seriously I'm not familiar about this site as well and they don't have promotion here. If the bonus is the issue here, then try to review their terms and if you think you din't do anything wrong, then contact their support again and raise your concern with proof.

It doesn't make any sense if they have such a rule because you can't ask a person to complete a certain wagering requirement to be able to use or withdraw your referral commissions. After all, they are getting that commission for bringing a gambler on the platform who is wagering their money, and a casino pays a person from their referral's money which is the reason why you only get money when your referral makes some wagers and nothing before that.

Anyway, whatever the issue with OP is and whatever the rules of the platform are, the representative of the platform should have come in this thread and cleared the matter or at least given an explanation to OP for what has happened. This makes them look suspicious because they are hiding and not coming out to clear things and accusations about their platform and services.

Promoting our referral link is not easy task and we need to give proof for all user want to sign up trough our wallet from trusted gambling platform site until educate them about deposit and withdrawal fund. I agree with you with some casino and gambling platform make criminality for user who earn fund from referral commission because they have work hard how to make their referral user want to make huge deposit fund. No required for raising wager minimum until some gambling platform have bad ideas for withdrawing fund pass turn over and bring bad impact for their platform in the future.

Any way, which one trusted gambling platform side offering with bigger reward commission regarding our referral fund deposit or wager accumulating? seems excited when having many active referral and earn passive income without do anything.

Though I really struggled to understand what you meant, but I think I finally did and I sure agree with you, to get potential gamblers to sign up using our referral link is not always an easy task, I mean, this can actually be one of the most challenging task in the area of affiliate marketing, gambling casinos are not like exchanges, or possibly airdrops where it's very easy to find people who are ready to join through another user's referral like, simply because, airdrop is something or an event which every one likes and will want to participate in, most especially if the tasks are much and comes with an attractive reward.

But when it comes to gambling casinos, not everyone on the internet is interested in gambling, and even for those are interested, they probably might already have two or more casinos where they are playing, so, as such, it's not very easy to convince them the casinos they have been playing on since to join another, so in the end, casino that understand the level of stress it takes to get a referral, won't impose a wager requirement on the referral reward, it's a fund that is supposed to go straight to the user's account balance, and be made available for withdrawal if the user would like to withdraw it.

Wanting a user to reach a wager requirement before he or she can access his or her referral bonus is one of those things I refer to as being criminally minded, and such shouldn't be condoned.