ISIS has set a trap for the American government and they are walking right to it

Robert Paulson

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Quote from: Daengineer on September 26, 2014, 07:07:21 PM

First off I would like to say No one has set a trap for America this isn't some complicated scheme.

Our debt is our strength the more we spend the more every other government looses because we borrow more money from them. They trust us so much so that the money we borrow has a negative interest on it. So we gain more money the more spend to pay it back with their own money progressively.China has lent us so much money that they are invested in our growth as a naiton.

And despite the respective views of people we are working on an international level of economics. If one country is struggling this affects the world as a whole.

But besides that ISIS and all terrorist groups are trying to accomplish one thing

Unite the middle east by focusing their anger and fear towards a common enemy and this all started when osama bombed a military transport killing many 20+ troops inside.

you're debt is you're strength? if China doesn't loan you money the next month you have no way to pay for any imports, you call being completely dependent on Chinese generosity strength?
China has zero problem not lending to America and instead using the money to buy their own goods for themselves.
it is a very sad day when you realize that the whole American economy is dependent on China not saying "to hell with them, they can't pay us back anyway".

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First off I would like to say No one has set a trap for America this isn't some complicated scheme.

Our debt is our strength the more we spend the more every other government looses because we borrow more money from them. They trust us so much so that the money we borrow has a negative interest on it. So we gain more money the more spend to pay it back with their own money progressively.China has lent us so much money that they are invested in our growth as a naiton.

And despite the respective views of people we are working on an international level of economics. If one country is struggling this affects the world as a whole.

But besides that ISIS and all terrorist groups are trying to accomplish one thing

Unite the middle east by focusing their anger and fear towards a common enemy and this all started when osama bombed a military transport killing many 20+ troops inside.

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Quote from: Don007 on September 13, 2014, 09:41:57 AM

So you say America shouldn't do ANYTHING against ISIS? Someone has to do something about them. The way ISIS want a own caliphate by murdering and raping all non-Islamist should be stopped by someone.

I'm sure they hit atleast some ISIS fighters by bombing. Yes, civilians too. But at the other hand, way more civilians will have been killed if NO ONE does something against ISIS. They should increase the attacks on ISIS. Increase the force against ISIS with every decapitation they make, don't do what they want.

Iraq is like a syain it appears.. everytime MERICA YA MERICA goes over there and smashs them they come back 100x stronger.

Soo... lets take a stab at what will happen when they slaughter half of ISIS and half of the counrtires they are in.. hum. .their numbers will jump massively.. I see.

MERICA!! FUCK YA!!! The only thing they could do is put an army back in Iraq to hold the north and protect any refugess running there any thing else will only increase the Syain's powers and remove more of your freedoms... is that what they are after Wink

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Quote from: Robert Paulson on September 13, 2014, 12:57:25 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 13, 2014, 12:03:08 PM

Quote from: Robert Paulson on September 13, 2014, 08:50:45 AM

step 2: hide in difficult terrain forcing the government to spend a trillion dollars bombing said terrain.

You are wrong there. Bombing the ISIS positions will cost at the most a billion USD or so, if the operations continue for more than a year. On the other hand, ground operations are extremely expensive, and it can cost hundreds of billions of USD, if the operations goes on for a long time. So I have to say that bombing the ISIS targets is a very viable option.

just wait, Obama is stupid enough to eventually take the bait and start ground operations as well.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/13000-us-troops-to-be-deployed-to-iraq-officials/5404295?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=13000-us-troops-to-be-deployed-to-iraq-officials

what did i tell you, the idiot took the bait, prepare to be bankrupt.

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Quote from: Lethn on September 13, 2014, 10:05:43 AM

.... Do you know how a 'few' of those super hornets and drones cost? LOL

http://fcnl.org/issues/foreign_policy/understanding_drones/

http://nation.time.com/2012/11/06/12548710-60/

$12,548,710.60, apparently Tongue

And that took me about 5 seconds to google, so that's $13,000,000 rounded up for every time the kurds need something bombed which will obviously be quite a few things, sure, you'd be right in thinking that it costs less than a few jets and an entire aircraft carrier but 13 million is still a ridiculous amount.

LOL they cost almost that just sitting around. The issue is the marginal cost which is not significant for the US.

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Quote from: tsoPANos on September 13, 2014, 05:19:22 PM

Hopefully, there will be one day which America
won't be able to pay it's debts. That will be good news.
They will not be able to do any wars.
The time is close. China will be the #1
country in gdp by 2020-2022

LOL

China was supposed to surpass US by 2005. Then it was 2007, then it was 2009, then it was 2011, 2013, 2016, 2019, 2022 so on.

US economy is growing again, and china's growth is shrinking. At the current sizes, US economy can easily outpace china by the end of 2020 and make sure there is no competition.

Just as importantly, the competitive sector of the economy ranging from manufacturing and services are returning home, not to mention china has serious structural flaws and internal loans that make US housing bubble look good in comparison.

Know the facts

There's a reason why the whole china thing is turning sour these days.

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In math we trust.

Hopefully, there will be one day which America
won't be able to pay it's debts. That will be good news.
They will not be able to do any wars.
The time is close. China will be the #1
country in gdp by 2020-2022

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on September 13, 2014, 12:03:08 PM

Quote from: Robert Paulson on September 13, 2014, 08:50:45 AM

step 2: hide in difficult terrain forcing the government to spend a trillion dollars bombing said terrain.

You are wrong there. Bombing the ISIS positions will cost at the most a billion USD or so, if the operations continue for more than a year. On the other hand, ground operations are extremely expensive, and it can cost hundreds of billions of USD, if the operations goes on for a long time. So I have to say that bombing the ISIS targets is a very viable option.

just wait, Obama is stupid enough to eventually take the bait and start ground operations as well.

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Quote from: Robert Paulson on September 13, 2014, 08:50:45 AM

step 2: hide in difficult terrain forcing the government to spend a trillion dollars bombing said terrain.

You are wrong there. Bombing the ISIS positions will cost at the most a billion USD or so, if the operations continue for more than a year. On the other hand, ground operations are extremely expensive, and it can cost hundreds of billions of USD, if the operations goes on for a long time. So I have to say that bombing the ISIS targets is a very viable option.

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.... Do you know how a 'few' of those super hornets and drones cost? LOL

http://fcnl.org/issues/foreign_policy/understanding_drones/

http://nation.time.com/2012/11/06/12548710-60/

$12,548,710.60, apparently Tongue

And that took me about 5 seconds to google, so that's $13,000,000 rounded up for every time the kurds need something bombed which will obviously be quite a few things, sure, you'd be right in thinking that it costs less than a few jets and an entire aircraft carrier but 13 million is still a ridiculous amount.

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I agree that the US basically has to borrow marginal dollars for international action against IS. However, I don't think sending a few thousand advisors and parking drones over the region with a few Super Hornets on call are going to bankrupt them.

The domestic arena is safe until there is another strike inside the US. Then I agree, the US will inevitably overreact internally against its own people as it always has in the past.

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Quote from: PeanutCoins on September 13, 2014, 09:50:10 AM

Quote from: Don007 on September 13, 2014, 09:41:57 AM

So you say America shouldn't do ANYTHING against ISIS? Someone has to do something about them. The way ISIS want a own caliphate by murdering and raping all non-Islamist should be stopped by someone.

I'm sure they hit atleast some ISIS fighters by bombing. Yes, civilians too. But at the other hand, way more civilians will have been killed if NO ONE does something against ISIS. They should increase the attacks on ISIS. Increase the force against ISIS with every decapitation they make, don't do what they want.

Just bomb out the fugitives and keep fire ready when they regroup again. If America will train and arm the rebels they will turn their guns towards USA tomorrow like Afganistan. But the USA has not learnt the lesson.

That kind of paranoia is exactly why the kurds don't like America very much and just want to fight for themselves lol they know accepting American help means being their protectorate for the rest of their lives and never being truly independent.

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Quote from: Don007 on September 13, 2014, 09:41:57 AM

So you say America shouldn't do ANYTHING against ISIS? Someone has to do something about them. The way ISIS want a own caliphate by murdering and raping all non-Islamist should be stopped by someone.

I'm sure they hit atleast some ISIS fighters by bombing. Yes, civilians too. But at the other hand, way more civilians will have been killed if NO ONE does something against ISIS. They should increase the attacks on ISIS. Increase the force against ISIS with every decapitation they make, don't do what they want.

Just bomb out the fugitives and keep fire ready when they regroup again. If America will train and arm the rebels they will turn their guns towards USA tomorrow like Afganistan. But the USA has not learnt the lesson.

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Yeah, because that worked so well in Liby- Oh wait! Cheesy

The most America can do without fucking things up is sending financial and technological support to the Kurds, but the thing is, they tried that in Iraq originally and now ISIS has their stuff, I think you just need to accept the fact the American government has no fucking clue what its doing.

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Quote from: Lethn on September 13, 2014, 09:44:07 AM

The Kurds are doing something about ISIS and are very close to creating their own state, how about learning something about the history of the place you're trying to invade you moron?

I know they are, and many countries are already supporting them. But, like they say theirselves, the need for example airsupport from the USA. And probably a lot of more technologies etcetera. ISIS are terrorists. Sure, you can say some positive things about their rules "inside the caliphate". But the way they want to realize this caliphate, by brute violence, should be stopped somehow. Why not supporting the Kurds? By airsupport and bombing.. Less deaths for the Kurds right? More success?

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The Kurds are doing something about ISIS and are very close to creating their own state, how about learning something about the history of the place you're trying to invade? You moron.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-kurds-20140910-story.html

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Live like there is no tomorrow!

So you say America shouldn't do ANYTHING against ISIS? Someone has to do something about them. The way ISIS want a own caliphate by murdering and raping all non-Islamist should be stopped by someone.

I'm sure they hit atleast some ISIS fighters by bombing. Yes, civilians too. But at the other hand, way more civilians will have been killed if NO ONE does something against ISIS. They should increase the attacks on ISIS. Increase the force against ISIS with every decapitation they make, don't do what they want.

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Quote from: Robert Paulson on September 13, 2014, 09:07:42 AM

Quote from: yatsey87 on September 13, 2014, 08:59:56 AM

America knows exactly what it's doing. They love any chance to invade a country with a reason the public can get behind and going after dem terrorists that r threatening r freedoms is a perfect excuse and always an easy sell.

no America (by that i mean the government) doesn't know what its doing.
if it knew what it was doing it would understand that you can't spend a trillion dollars on a war when your enemy spends less than a million.
especially when you are already deeply in debt from the last war and barely hanging on by continued borrowing and money printing.

The Obama administration is going to repeat the mistake Bush administration did with Pakistan. Now they re going to repeat the same mistake in Iraq and Syria. No need to send American troops in these spots.

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I never thought I'd find myself defending the American government, their plan of bombardment is shitty and they are just going to get innocent people killed while ISIS hide in the mountains the same way the Taliban have been doing for decades, the difference is though this time they're backing the Kurds and they're one of the few groups in that region that the regular people actually trust, adding to that, they have the balls to actually fight ISIS and their regions have been relatively safe compared to the factions that America previously backed along with treating their people far more fairly ( as far as we know ) compared to those other groups.

I actually think things might be different right now purely because they are backing Kurdistan, the Kurds have even made a peace deal with Turkey and are working together with Iran to take down ISIS, to be honest though, if anything does happen that will benefit Iraq and get rid of ISIS, it won't be because of America in the end, it will be because of the Peshmerga troops on the ground.

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Quote from: Robert Paulson on September 13, 2014, 09:07:42 AM

Quote from: yatsey87 on September 13, 2014, 08:59:56 AM

America knows exactly what it's doing. They love any chance to invade a country with a reason the public can get behind and going after dem terrorists that r threatening r freedoms is a perfect excuse and always an easy sell.

no America (by that i mean the government) doesn't know what its doing.
if it knew what it was doing it would understand that you can't spend a trillion dollars on a war when your enemy spends less than a million.
especially when you are already deeply in debt from the last war and barely hanging on by continued borrowing and money printing.

They want to spend trillions of dollars that's the point. They don't care about debt or their citizens but their corporate buddies. That money that they spend is taxpayers money which gets transferred to private pockets. That's what politicians are there for. It's called war corporatism and business is good.

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