Topic: It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? (Read 684 times)

To simplify, Grammarly is okay for everyone on the forum, never heard any bad words about those who use it. AI bots are often used to cheat and abuse, many don't like any of their usage on the forum. Why to choose the tool which is not okay for many? It is suspicious.

Well, I wasn't aware that it had already been invented in 2018. My lack of knowledge about this shows that I had not experienced using AI tools at that time. My curiosity arose when I saw Nutilda's thread, which was created just this year, so I'm relatively new to AI when it comes to knowledge.

But wasn't AI back then as sophisticated as it is now? I'm just wondering because this AI thing has only become more popular recently, this year.

This is the thread ;
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62060187

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I presume the language improvements you mentioned involve me using an AI to work on my posts, as if I'm allowing AI to generate posts for me. If you were to review all my responses, you would likely understand that I'm primarily interested in grammar correction.

To simplify:

Grammarly is used to correct grammar.
AI is used to correct grammar.

Both serve the same function.  FOR-ME

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It seems that the posts of other members have gone off-topic. It is no longer related to the discussion. I should have closed this thread when I announced that I had already found the answer I was looking for.

A guy who shows in this topic that his level in English is not really bad, but who still forces the idea that ChatGPT could be used for language improvement. I suspect that we probably have here the face of a farmer who is upset with many tagged accounts and who is trying to make majority doubt about fighting with AI posting.

AI legitimization is what farmers are very interested in. There are many alt accounts which trashed forum with AI posts and they want to do so further. So they are bringing up this topic again and again.

AI posting should not be tolerated. The total majority of forum users never use it and prefer to communicate with real people and not with hidden bots.

Before you write something, it would be wise to check the historical facts, because what you claim is simply not true. Each of the posts in question could have been created with the help of AI, because at that time they existed and were publicly available.


That's true (for now), and while I agree that one should always be careful when someone is accused of using AI for their posts, in some cases it's even more obvious that someone is using just such tools - especially if it's beginners, or when the quality of someone's posts improves dramatically overnight.

Take a look you'll always find polarising topics in the forum. There's users from all over the world who've been posting here for years. They shouldn't be criminalised if they've got a certain point of view or because they've raised a sensitive topic that isn't right.

AI isn't a sensitive topic so it shouldn't be treated that way. It's going to get ppl banned so it shouldn't be used.

I have, that is why I proved my point not with 1 of your posts, but 3.


ChatGPT-4 definitely was not the first language model. OpenAI released GPT-3 in 2020.


We have a whole topic, which consider those detectors quite accurate, because a lot of AI generated posts were tracked thanks to them.

Nobody need Bitcointalk, but I get your point and you have right forum is to meet other people and communicate with other humans not with a robot.
But I  can almost guarantee you that you don't have anything to worry about, I highly doubt that people using AI will take over the forum, at least as so long we got the base-community here that not using AI and the good people that report users that using AI.
All creed to you guys that doing that, it's actually something I really appreciate and most important, it actually make the forum to a much better place! Thanks a lot for taking your time to do this!  

Thanks for this kind of clarification. Now, these are the kinds of replies that I find very objective and something that could benefit the forum generally. I don't like it when other posters treat me like a criminal just because I raised a "sensitive" topic.

They immediately jump to the conclusion that when someone talks about AI, they're already using AI to create posts. I think we should be stricter when it comes to something that involves money, like accusations of scams (thanks to those who are so active), rather than these mere conversations. I understand their concerns, they want to keep the forum from being flooded with AI-generated content or AI Diarrhea as Loycve mentioned. However, that wasn't the point of this thread. Personally, I'm not naive; I know that letting an AI handle posting could lead to a ban of the account. I was just looking for a little help from AI with grammar and minor corrections.

It's changed now. AI's got practical use if you're trying to improve language levels. How's it going to help ppl if they're using it to make posts in forums.

It's helping your German posts but does adding AI disclaimers cause a defence for avoiding a ban? If it isn't supposed to be used you've got to be careful. If posts get identified for using AI you're risking a ban so even if I needed I wouldn't use it. I can't understand why ppl would use AI in forum posts.

You've oversimplified it. Because of these types of grammar/capitalization errors, I would never assume this was an AI-generated post:


Just about every AI detector gives false positives at some point, so its a good idea to check multiple detectors. Some are better than others.

For the text in question, here are the results from all the detectors:

Sapling.ai - 100% fake (occasionally produces false positives)
Hivemoderation (the most reliable detector) - 4.7% likely to contain AI Generated Text
Copyleaks - AI content detected (this one no longer provides a % so I'm not sure it should be used anymore)
Writer.com - 28% human-generated content
Writefull.com - 65% likely this comes from GPT-3, GPT-4 or ChatGPT (not a high enough score, threshold for reporting based on a detector should be 70%)

So yes, based on the results of Hivemoderation and Writer.com, this post could be reported as AI-generated. Except for one thing which you mentioned earlier: the post was written before ChatGPT was released.

The other way to combat the false detection problem is to only submit reports if 3 or more of the author's posts are highly likely to be written by AI based on detector results. If its a one-off thing, it probably shouldn't be reported (unless its clearly spam).

You're not quite getting the point. I was referring to the post that was published before AI was even invented. It raises a valid question: how can AI detect that it's created by AI when it was made before AI even arrived? It doesn't quite add up, you know? I think posts created on or after the AI era need to be reviewed, as it's obvious that posts from before the AI era had nothing to do with AI. Hope that clarifies things.

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Please don't make it "The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it" as a general statement as I was referring to a specific reply.

That still can be done if you put the post that you want to reply to on ChatGPT and it will generate an AI answer for that, however, it can be very easily detected because there is a lot of difference between a human written post and the AI written post.


This is what the majority of the people think and they start to use AI to write posts for them and think that since AI tools aren't accurate, they won't be caught.
AI tools just prove that the content is AI written, it can be detected with the naked eye too.
Remember You are talking about the tools to detect AI, people can judge whether the content is written by humans or AI, just by reading the post.

Not only that post, but all the other posts he cites, 3 in total, were written before November 30, 2022 which makes it even more ridiculous.


And I would add: lest you end up making a fool of yourself.

I said it from the beginning in the debates about it in the forum. To me this is being approached wrongly, as the only debate I see is how to ban from the forum what is just another part of our lives that is changing the world, just as it happened with the Internet. It is clear that generating posts massively with ChatGPT and passing them off as your own creation is not what I would consider a good use of the forum, but using it to collect background information or even using the information it writes, always quoting, I think would be reasonable uses.

In that sense I would recommend you to use it as long as it is not for copy paste and always bearing in mind that you are going to have a lot of inquisitors reviewing your posts as the enlightened one who has reviewed posts of yours that were written before the launch of ChatGPT.

I'd like to highlight a particular point here to show that your AI checking mechanism is incorrect. There's no valid argument in this case, and it seems like you haven't investigated thoroughly before making your post.

The post you mentioned was created on "July 25, 2022, 02:20:35 PM," and based on my research, ChatGPT (the only AI I'm aware of) was launched on November 30, 2022. So, how could a verifier predict that my post is AI-generated when it was created before the AI was introduced?

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The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it.

My Spanish and my German are brutal. My English is okay. I tend to type too fast and not correct my mistakes. With google translate and AI I sometime will write in the German section.

But I am very clear that I am doing that.

Remember the old good days when people who wanted to learn a language was supposed to study and practice it, to go along trial and error?
That was my case, though.

At first glance, I would say that using AI to "improve" your English is not actually doing any good to your skills, because you won't learn as much as you would if you made mistakes and then corrected them. On the other hand, I am not anyone studied in language acquisition to tell people how they are supposed to learn a language. I am not sure on the status (when comes to the rules) of using AI that way. At minimum, I (and others) would appreciate if you included a short footnote in the post you made using AI, so people around here won't feel deceived or won't incorrectly think you are a spammer.

Just my two sats, by the way. I hope your English only improves with time.  

I do not mind a non native speaking person using english.

I also would not mind he or she doing the post in their own words and in AI words.

Like so
1) your own attempt
2) AI correcting your attempt.

Any other way of using AI is pretty much a pointless method of deception.

Both showing both ways is fine by me.

We're using the forum so we've got some rules we're expected to use or else we're responsible for being ejected. If using AI's going to result in users getting a ban we shouldn't use AI that's it. I didn't read official announcement so I can't say it's a rule.

"one should lay credence to where one gets one's information if it's not originally from one." Here I agree with you 100% but...

If it's a rule that using AI isn't allowed then AI should not be used period, I didn't know it was a rule so then I apologize also I don't support people using AI or running amok but i respect that everyone is different.
But if it wasn't a "rule" just opinions from people then it should not matter even that it would not look good for the user that using AI, in the end it's up to us what we want to spend our time on, right?  
And I don't agree with you here my friend. "AI is borrowing someone's idea and making it look like it's yours" - I think it's a way to help yourself express yourself if you maybe are bad in English or bad to be able to speak and express yourself the right way (I have no idea I never used this AI). The idea is already in your head, but AI is helping you making the idea to text, so I don't think it's that big of a deal, at least if you don't using it for running "amok", cheat with singature campaign and stuff like this, but this forum got good people here so if an account would act that way it would be noticed and tagged very fast. But if it's not allowed then it should not be used period.
And what regards what the forum wants, you mean the members of the forum? The member of this forum is individuals and everyone want different, even if I understand your point and I agree with the most you said I still think we need to accept that people just are different and some people have some obstacle's, even me I am not 100% a English speaker or not so good to express myself in the right way, but I am trying my best and using Google Translate when I need to find a word for my posts

Have a great week buddie. Best wishes from BabyBandit.  

If English isn't your major language you should've posted in locals. I don't know why you'd consider using AI to enhance post quality. If the post gets tagged with AI detected allegations you'll be considered for ban. You don't need AI for post improvements.

If learning's the reason he wants to use AI for posts it won't work to benefit him.

So I went plagium.com

and tested my last few posts.



the last reply :

Yeah but I am prepped and ready for up ⬆️ down or sideways.


Reads no plagiarism

but yes to AI Detector.

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But the reality is I wrote it and it is exactly how I am hedged with buys sells holds and mining. at this time.

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Now I generated over 42000 posts maybe more like 50,000 posts.

some were merged  and some  were deleted. 


I would also guess I have written shit all over the internet about similar topics.

andandtech
macrumors
parts-express forum
evga forum
Mac mini forum

all have more than 1000 posts from me.

bitcointalk has more than 42,000 posts it is a ton of info.

Don't post using AI with the aim of improving the quality of the post, that's bad because whatever you post doesn't come from your thoughts and knowledge. If you want to improve your knowledge, then study and read more even if your English is not good.

I'm also not a native English speaker, but I try my best to write something that other people can understand well. You can also reach the level of like a native English speaker if you really improve your language skills, so don't take shortcuts. Learn a lot and maintain your confidence.

I enjoy creating my posts myself not mind it might not meet the standard of many people and it didn't bother me in as much as they receive the message understandably.  Based on where everyone is coming from our English standards cannot be same while you continuing doing it yourself you'll definitely blend and  improve your tense with time.

But depending on AI to create and arrange posts for you because you aren't a  native of English language is just absolutely bullshit because is someone else's work not and not yours that's why it's mainly regarded as plagiarism. Learning using AI isn't bad cause I also use it to learn about subjects I don't know about' however, using it to generate post and claiming author is not same as learning using AI.

I was helped by Google Translate to write in English. I think currently Google Translate has good translation capabilities and I'm sure other members can understand the meaning of my writing

Talking about the quality of your posts is not what tool you use, but rather your own abilities as the account owner. The best way to improve the quality of posts is to increase your knowledge, so read a lot... There are lots of cheap books out there, and now there are also lots of free PDFs that you can download.

Definitely not to this extent. I think it is not acceptable. And I believe many users, who make regular reports to this thread would agree with me.


Really? I only checked the last page of your posts.

Re: BTC or Gold Investment?

Sapling AI Detector - 100% Fake
Copyleaks AI Content Detector - 89.8% probability for AI
Plagium.com - this text is very likely generated by a machine.



Sapling AI Detector - 100% Fake

Use grammarly for such kind of use and learn from it. You don't need to use AI just for grammar, punctuation use because sometimes AI doesn't sounds like grammatically correct, well, based on my use of chatgpt especially when creating article contents sample.

Op, saying that English is not your native language is not an excuse enough to start using AI to generate posts in the forum. To answer your question, it is wrong and against the forum rules (although not from theymos).
You can improve written English with some grammar enhancing apps like grammarly. I do not see AI as a post enhancing tool rather as an artificial brain. AI will make you to stop using your senses. And still will not improve your grammar because it is the AI that is generating texts and not you.
Imagine where AI will make decisions against your wish and you wouldn't care because the tenses and punctuations are well placed.

Exactly my take. The tenses might be perfect but the conversation will not flow in that thread since the idea is coming from a third party who is not directly involved in the conversation.

Sure, go for it and see what happens  


Yes well, its true that automated questions deserve automated responses. But the answer should be posted like this:


Whether the entire post is automated or not, any text from ChatGPT should be placed in quotes. This should be standard, rather than trying to pass its text off as your own, which is dishonest because you are leading the reader to believe it was written using your own brain.

Have created similar topic a while back, you can see it here.

Anyway, I have tried to use AI and sometimes sentences come out so perfect I find it off-putting. Better write without using such tools.

Depends on what you mean by 'improve your post quality', if you use AI to generate whole/additional content for your post, than I don't think that's acceptable, AI generate the content by crawling in the internet and that might lead to Plagiarism. But if what you mean by improve your post quality is helping you with grammar and choice of word, and the whole content is based on your own thought, then it's acceptable, or at least you wouldn't do any plagiarism. However, even with not so perfect grammar and choice of word, as long as your post is understandable the reader won't mind.

From everything you have explained, I would want to tell you that English is not the native language of many of us on this forum, and yet, the majority of some dedicated and reputable members of the forum are not using AI to make their posts better, but I believe they might have learned from other ways to be better. English might not be your native tongue, but you can try your best to always explain your points or opinions in a way that someone reading them can still understand the message you are trying to convey. From what I understand so far on the forum, if you are using AI to make your post, you might not really be taken that seriously as someone who is able to think and be productive in their opinions. Just be real on the forum and don't try to impress, but only be at your best.

Lately, I'm getting vibes that someone is going to create a script that can write AI-generated answers under any post from the content available on this forum or from the internet. Honestly, It will be better for posts that were answered hundreds of times before 

Most users use it as a source of plagiarization, and they mostly copy a sentence from Google and paste it into AI, since the AI change and rephrase this sentence where some users further put this sentence or paragraph in a website e.g. Dupli checker which checks the plagiarism for them. First, they didn't have any knowledge about the question asked here at BitcoinTalk, so they just google it and copied that from Google, which I can say is simply plagiarism and plagiarism is against the forum rules.

Also, most users do it to write Articles, while writing articles and other things if a person takes some help then I don't think it is a bad idea. But writing the full article through AI is not smart work. But it is just copying from one place and pasting it to another place, which I think one should not do.

I think there's no problem with using AI to correct your post's grammar just make sure that you didn't make posts plagiarized like the other said it's against the forum rules.
And take note if the posts you write are fully AI-generated then you might get tagged by DT members if someone reports your post as AI-generated.

If I were you like others said in previous posts above use Grammarly because as you said before you just need to correct your grammar and punctuation then why not use Grammarly? Unless you need something more that Grammarly can't provide?

😂
LoL, as you know, I myself indulge in the pleasure of generative AI, and I am using on a number of threads.
Examples can be found here, here and here.
I hope the spirit of the posts is clear and no one is going to ban me!

Honestly, when you were the first to write about it, it seemed to me that it was something quite harmless that would be very easily detected and that it would be treated as plagiarism on the forum. Since then, AI Chat has really improved, so today we read how various books, pictures or even movie scripts are being investigated due to the suspicion that they are not the work of humans.

From what can be seen in various threads in which posts are published that are suspected to be the product of AI, it seems to me that this thing has spread like a plague on the forum and that only a small part manages to be detected, and an even smaller part results with a punishment.


You're welcome - , because it is good to remember that the discussion about this problem existed years ago, and I think that things were already quite clear when it came to the use of this technology on the forum.

In my experience, there are a lot of wrong/unnecessary words that the AI generates that could give you wrong grammar. Grammarly could improve your post.

AI writing tool is a very powerful tool, yet the tool is still incomplete.
You know the 80-20 ratio?
It takes 20% of time to give 80% of the information.
But it takes the 80% of time giving the last 20% of the information, that is indeed what makes the difference.
AI tools are really good at the first step, still they are not good enough for the last one, that is the one that makes the difference.
Thanks also to linking to my old post!

You know what's strange, when they get a neutral or a negative tag for using AI for posting, they are being very upset and in many cases stop posting or try to remove a tag. Right, moderators rarely ban for AI posting, so those who use it risk mainly to get a tag. If a tag and posts deletion is not a problem, then why not? Let's wait until it will become a huge problem for forum and there will be a huge clean up, right?

LoyceV said that right: if I'd like to talk to chat bot, I'd talked to it directly. No need in cheating me and passing off bot words as user own ones.


It is a very common thing. Many users use online translators because they are self-doubt in their level of English. I can usually see that someone has very good English in general and despite that they make so silly mistakes, that it shows that it is definitely a result of online translator. Not a big problem as it is anyway an idea of the one who wrote it and it is still understandable. I guess their grammar is usually better than mine as I write by myself and my English is so far from that of native speakers!

AI has spread so much into every pore of society that it is quite normal for some to use it on this forum as well, but that is nothing new because it did not start happening yesterday, it has been present for years. Who remembers that @fillippone started a discussion on that topic back in 2020?

Although artificial intelligence brings some benefits to today's society, anyone who uses it in a way to create some content and then presents it as his own work is just an ordinary plagiarist.

At the same time, I don't think that the OP belongs to that group of people if he just wants to correct his spelling mistakes, but why use AI if he already mentions some tools that can do it without AI interfering in the whole thing?

Using AI is not against the forum rules but it's just a simple display of ones inability to make a constructive feedback or comments the normal way it is believed that he's the writer of such, why should you make use of AI if not that you're incapacitated to make a good construct of English grammatical words, but you will rather choose to seek for the help of a bot system which you reference not in helping you with your write ups, though it's not plagiarism but it's as good as making plagiarism because you're not the real author to those content, that's why you could discover many users found in this category were being given neutral tag to show what source is their contents coming from.

To be frank with you, I don't also know how those who check for such stuff do that. I hope it's not by coincidence of word or phrase usage as that's more likely to get many wrongly accused.

That post of yours isn't the right way to look at this issue. Users shouldn't be allowed to run amok. There are rules and rules are meant to be followed. The forum has come a long way and it's a community effort. Don't make it look like anyone is trying to claim more importance than the other because they're insisting the right things be done. Using AI is borrowing someone's idea and making it look like it's yours just like blatant hardcore plagiarism is. This forum wants originality, or at best one should lay credence to where one gets one's information if it's not originally from one.

If I wanted to read AI diarrhea, I wouldn't need Bitcointalk. I want to read from humans, that's what forums were created for.
What's next? Only AIs posting and only AIs reading? What's the point?

OP I can smell AI all over you as I read your post, why on earth would you want to get your hands in that same place that's written DANGER? You know how it will end if caught, right?
You haven't recovered from the tag they gave you and you're speaking about using AI to advance your post, I can't say positive things about you as it seems like you have already made up your mind into using AI to help your post, but you just want to know what other users would say about your idea.
Avoid what would get you into more trouble, you have what it takes to give better post but you just don't know it yet.

I don't really understand why people get so offended and care so much about using AI or not.... Go for it if your want, if people get annoyed it's their problem and not yours and they should change focus in life.
No active member here is owner of this place, we have just been here longer or shorter then other, don't forget Satoshi created BTC and this forum for everyone and not only for a few.

But I don't think you need to use AI because your English is more then good, if you don't know how to spell some words you can use Google Translate for help (I often do that).
Myself have never used AI tho, but personally I don't care at all if people using AI or not,  in the end it's up to me what I choose to do when I spending time here.  

Just ignore negativity and welcome positivity.  

Yeah, that's unfortunate. I think it should be reviewed, but since we don't know the criteria by which they evaluate posts that could potentially remove the tag, it will remain a mystery whether the tag will be lifted or not.


I'm confident it's not the case. If there's a way to verify my posts using a tool, anyone is free to do so. However, if the judgment to conclude that I use AI is based on finding some phrases that I use similarly to AI, I think that's not fair.


Thanks, that's because I now worked as a call center agent.  

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Still have 1 merit left in the bank, @BabyBandit, thanks for the encouragement.

I'm going to take a short break for now, have a few beers, and then check back later. I hope I won't become too tipsy to stay on topic.

That tag was way back in 2021 (that's two years now) and it simply was for you to improve on your posting style. Though I don't know if actmyname makes out time to review those tags anymore as there could be users who've improved over the years after he left them tags or he just left the tags there as an indelible mark and never to be reviewed (that would be very bad). However, using Ai so as to be seen as improved isn't the way to go. It's deceitful and I believe that's why this forum frowns at it. Just be yourself.

From where I stand, your English isn't that bad. Except if this post is also AI-generated. I think what anyone might find wrong with your posts, if at all, isn't the English per se but the way you put your thoughts down. You should work on your thought pattern. Your English is fine.

Who said I want to appear perfect? I just want my statements to be more readable, so they won't strain the reader's eyes. And please don't think that just because English is not my native language, I would struggle to write in English. Our country has many BPO companies, like call centers, and they choose us because we can easily learn English to fluency. If you find my posting style already looks perfect, then I would say it's not yet for me. If possible, I'd like to polish the mistakes that can be seen. But I'd like to repeat it again, I'm not using AI to post for me.

It's difficult to tell whether the statement above is AI generated content or not. But I can see that it has everything common and follow AI content pattern of writing. OP has confirmed that English is not his native language just like the majority of us here. But I'm still wondering why Op wants to appear perfect in the forum by thinking about polishing his grammar using AI.

The truth is that nobody is interested in your grammar. In fact, only few users in the forum follow grammar rules and punctuation properly while making a post or reply. The rest of us are just panel beating English the way we know how to. What matter is the message you are passing to the forum. We are here to learn one thing or the other, using AI is like deceiving yourself to be perfect writer while you are not.

I know it's sometimes difficult to understand some posts due to poor English construction but you'll not improve in your English if you rely on AI to make your writing appear perfect. Imagine yourself not having access to AI and you need to express yourself. I suggest you use the AI off the forum to improve yourself but not to make comments or post in the forum. Grammarly is also a good tools to check and improve your grammar construction.

I haven't checked your post history, but I totally doubt it was your broken English.

As for using AI to correct your English errors, it should be fine (depending on the extent, because even the AI can misunderstand what you're trying to say and might output something different); but you might be flagged by those AI detector software.

Big NOOOO! You cannot use AI to generate content. It's strictly against the forum's rules. Anybody can do that; it's basically copy paste content. There is no creativity in it. One thing the forum really wants is authentic, original content. Not someone or some tool generated shitty things. They don't have any value to it.

As long as it's your own writing, your own research, your own ideas, and your own theory, you are good to go. Yes, you can use AI, but only to grasp knowledge or ideas about something you want to write about or research. But you cannot just copy it.

Suppose you made a thread about crypto mining. You asked Chat-GPT to write a bunch of words for mining, and it wrote them, and you simply posted them in this forum. Now if some user, suppose me, asked you further about mining, which I don't know, how would you react? Will you be able to answer my question? Of course not; you don't have knowledge of mining. You just used AI to make content.

I understand English is not your native language. You are not alone; I too don't speak English as my native language, and a lot of forum users don't. So what? We taught ourselves to read and write English. If you are unsure of your English, then use Google Translate to check the meaning (not to post). First, teach yourself English, then think of engaging in the Global Boards. For now, be active on your local board.

You can use various tools to fix your writing. There are no rules against it. By fixing, I meant grammar, punctuation, spelling, etc. I normally don't use anything, but when I'm making my own post or making a big reply like this one, I use Grammerly or Quilbot to fix any problems.

I'd like to apologize if that was the impression, but please understand that I have no intention of causing any harm to the forum. In fact, I want to make it more organized and welcoming to attract more forum members. This topic is one that I find interesting, so I brought it up here. I'm just a regular member and not involved in any campaign or trading with other members here, so there's no reason to question my reputation. Please see it as a topic I've brought up not just for my benefit but for everyone to evaluate the situation.


I can guarantee that there's nothing to worry about. You don't need to waste your time on this. I'm just passing through as I'm quite busy with my real life endeavors. However, if I receive some encouraging statements, I might find myself getting more involved in the forum too. LOL.

I don't really need to grow a thicker skin because I'm quite a sensitive guy, and it wouldn't help anyway. They say that words can be sharper than swords.

Just kidding; yeah, I will.



At the current state, I believe I'm better than them because my concern was solely on grammar. I can express my thoughts perfectly from my personal perspective. However, I can't anticipate how readers might perceive it. That's why I was asking if I could use some help from this AI tool.

That was my thought exactly after reading few of OP's posts.


I don't think that is against forum rules to use AI tools to correct grammar mistakes so therefore I don't think there's anything to "detect". At least not for know.


Well, you asked for an opinion and he gave you one. I suggest you to grow a thicker skin if you plan to remain being active here because people may say much worse things to you and you will have to deal with it.


There are some known forum members that admitted using Google translate (despite knowing English) in order to express themselves better so that woulnd't been something we haven't seen before.

That's crazy. Why would I use a translator if I can write in English? Your suspicion is entirely baseless.

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So AI tool can't be use to function like Grammarly?

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Now, this is the kind of post that is off-topic. We are in the meta section, not discussing Bitcoin. Of course, I am aware of Bitcoin. Please focus on the concern I raised; it's not related to investment or any such matters. I'm sure some members here use AI to check their grammar, right? Using it to cheat by plagiarizing is the wrong approach.

The idea of using AI should be welcomed, but it must be within certain limits. This is why I asked in my initial post:

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Please, everyone, read my post carefully and understand it before making a comment. It seems like you're eager to comment, assuming I intend to use AI to do the posting job. You're mistaken if you think that way. Let's be more objective.

Nope, using AI wouldn't help you, take a look with this report where there was a user wrote "knowledge cutoff", this phrase is really uncommon to use.

My English isn't perfect and sometime I mixing up my words, so I think the moderators weren't delete your posts because the way you wrote, but it's because the quality of the post. So rather than use AI, you need to learn about Bitcoin more.

Isn't you still have it? AFAIK even your 100 merits were airdropped, but it's not mean you have 0 sMerit.

To blatantly use AI-generated queries or text it and just paste it will not help. AI could help you understand what you are posting about but not directly copy and paste it. I believe it can be a tool that can help you learn about the things you have yet to understand. Most importantly, you need to understand it and fact-check if the AI has generated a factual thing because you can never really know unless you thoroughly do it.

It can improve your posting quality but not in the way that you think. It's all about having your thoughts about it and diving in deep into the topics with your thoughts.

Grammarly, like the other members suggest would help you in grammar.

The fourth possibility, and to my mind the most likely, is that he is using an automatic translator such as Deepl.com. The level of reliability is very high nowadays and they are used massively on and off the forum. He doesn't break any rules if he does that as far as I know.

For me it's better to try my best rather than cheating or plagiarizing other contents,  using AI can make our post easier and faster but always remember that using AI we can not express our own ideas, also we must remember that cheaters always win but never learn. While you are using your mind to construct those words even though in the beginning it's not perfect but soon for sure you will learn and you will become a quality posters .

So, you're comparing my 2017 post to the present? Wow, that was at least 5 years ago, and a lot has happened in my life since then. I've become a professional and gained more work experience, which has helped me grow as a person. I don't have much time for the forum anymore; I'm just visiting because I've heard the bull run is coming. While browsing some random posts, I came across topics related to AI, and that's why I brought up this subject.

The tone of your replies seems very negative to me. I didn't intend to plagiarize or let an AI do the posting; it was just a simple question, and I'd appreciate some honest and sincere answers.



Please don't be paranoid, as this thing I brought up is happening already in this forum and this topic is not only for me but for the community as a whole.

Honestly, I found the answer I needed. It doesn't necessarily have to be a lengthy reply, but it's exactly what I was looking for.

And I'd like to thank this guy below for having the smartest reply.

Will give you +1  if I have merit. (done, turns out I have 4)

I doubt the reason why you were tagged as a spammer had anything to do with your grammar but rather the number of your posts that has been deleted by moderators.



 If you want to improve your grammar then install grammarly in your system, it will provide you with some suggestions that will make your text more understandable. It’s far more better than just going to a “text spinner” and automatically paraphrased everything you wrote before, with grammarly you’ll get to learn what to do to your sentences the next you want to make a post.

AI generated post is not really your opinion and there are high chances you will not even learn anything from the conversation neither will you understand in details, what you posted. In other words, AI will make you practically lazy and that is not how to grow. Besides, AI generated posts are easy to notice and by that, it bring a bad reputation to you and whatever you represent especially in a forum like this where your opinion is needed and mot someone else's.

That statement above is of such higher quality in terms of English proficiency than your posts from back in 2017 that I have to wonder if you're either already using some kind of AI tool to polish your shortcomings OR you somehow got your hands on this account which used to belong to someone else. 

A third possibility is that you've improved your English, but I don't think I've ever seen that happen with an account that's recently woken up from a long break.

Anyone else get that sense?  Am I being paranoid here?  I seriously doubt I am, and if that's true it's baffling to me why OP would create a thread like this, which just invites scrutiny from shitposter/account buyer hunters.  Any good detectives want to delve into this one?

write your untouched post

call it untouched post a:

do a double line

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have ai clean it up to show both versions

call part 2 ai version.


this covers you and if you do that people may point out why the ai is better or not better.

it would help you learn english and you would gain a better understanding of why a sentence written in english is working.


BTW if you look above I wrote much like the Author James Joyce.

ie stream of consciousness.

If you can do that in hand written and show us that along with the ai cleanup of it.

I would think you would be on the way to posting better.

IMO:

Bad: "Write a response to this question asked on a forum: "
Okay: "Fix the spelling mistakes on this post I just wrote:

What’s against the forum is plagiarism and once you use an AI to help you compose a post then it is kinda off classified as a palagrized work because AI wrote it from starting to end. If you think your English is not too good and you need a better way to communicate, then what you might need is not an AI but rather a English Grammarly or something like Quillbot which corrects your spelling and and paraphrase some of your English that are not well arranged. This way it is your idea and some spelling checks.

Other than that, the easiest thing is to first stick to your local and allow your English to get better first. I believe almost all the major languages have a designated local board here and it is not like you would miss much because most of this educational threads on English boards have been translated to various languages in the forum to help users understand some basics of cryptocurrency without having the major need to understand English properly.

I believe if you stick around local Board and be gradually coming to the English board you will develop faster and safely rather than wanting to rush it through AI

Obviously, that's not what I intend to do. I don't use AI to compose my responses. Instead, I create a draft of my post and have AI review it for grammar corrections and punctuation. Is it too much to ask for this tool?


Is it because of my broken English that I was tagged, I guess, so I want to ensure it doesn't happen again. If there's a way to make improvements, such as correcting spelling and making minor adjustments, a tool would be helpful. My main point here is that the thoughts would still remain, just as I originally created them. I'm seeking some assistance in eliminating these errors or improving the text.

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Can you point which part?

On the top of my head: go use AI when trying to learn how to write properly/legibly, but don't use AI to create your replies. Because are you actually learning if the AI writes for you even if you provide the ideas?

Your english doesn't even need to be perfect; if we can understand what you're trying to say despite it being in broken english, then it's fine.

As I started to read your reply "Grammerly" came to mind then you said it in your post.  If you do feel the need to use AI in your posts, then can I suggest you use the AI content as a "draft" - but not include it in the final post.  Read what the computer came up with and then put that text into your own words (but don't just alter one or two words here and there as it will be picked up by those in the Forum who scrutinise such things)

Take your time and consider creating two different responses that draw in the AI content, but aren't reliant on it.

(and parts of your reply read as though they were created via AI)

I do understand English, even though I'm not a native speaker. My purpose in using AI is to refine my language skills to the maximum extent, similar to how one might use Grammarly. It's like having thoughts in your mind and having someone more proficient express them effectively on your behalf. I want to clarify that I fully comprehend what I post. Some individuals find poorly written English posts to be a visual annoyance, but even when someone tries to enhance them, they may not always appreciate the effort. Consequently, many people might eventually give up. Isn't the creation of such tools intended to assist us in improving our communication?

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That's right and agree with that, so that question is already answered.


If you can't able to write in English then use the local board section.


This is where I'd position myself as well. However, I've come across posts that seemed to contain phrases commonly associated with AI-generated content, even though anyone could use those phrases. I believe that people can generally discern if an entire post has been generated solely by AI, don't you think?

What you are saying is nothing but plagiarizing, which is against forum rules and you will be banned if you use AI to create posts for you.

If you can't able to write in English then use the local board section.


Using it to correct your grammar is acceptable since one of the forum members used it as far as I know but blatantly posting content created by AI will get you a temp/permanent ban or atleast a negative tag.

Ordinarily I'd say "no" because then it's not your own views or opinions that you are expressing, rather a computer's "guess" of what you want to say.

Your title shows that you are not a native English speaker.  Perhaps you should try learning English just a bit more - in doing so, the quality of your posts will improve and you won't need to fake your posts with AI content.

As you can see in my profile, I was tagged by "actmyname" as a member of the spammers list. Consequently, I've been considering that perhaps the quality of my posts doesn't meet the forum's standards. Now, I know you might wonder, "Where have you been? It's been a long time since I've seen you" (referring to my account's activity). But don't worry about that. Let's focus on the main topic, which is not just about me but also for other users who want to enhance their writing.

I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?