It is time for an official protest - page 2.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on December 20, 2011, 11:12:32 AM

Quote from: dancupid on December 20, 2011, 11:01:00 AM

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:02:58 AM

Calling bitcoin 'illegally invented' as in the CBS press release about the "Bitcoin for Dummies" episode of "Good Wife" is a clear defamation and demands a legal action.

Link to the announcement text: http://1.hidemyass.com/ip-4/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LmNic3ByZXNzZXhwcmVzcy5jb20vY2JzLWVudGVydGFpbm1lbnQvcmVsZWFzZXMvdmlldz9pZD0zMDE3Nw%3D%3D&f=norefer

It's a drama - the show is about legal issues as I understand it. The whole premise of the show is that a lawyer defending Satoshi is required to reveal the details of his client to the Government and has employed another lawyer to defend him. ie the show is about the legality or otherwise of bitcoin. The legality issue is being tested in the narrative.

Even if the show flatout said that Bitcoin was illegal, they would have all the right in the world to do so as an entertainment drama. Can we sue zombie movie producers for saying that you can kill them with shotguns? Can we sue CSI for zooming in infinately on things that have poor quality?

At least it's refreshing to see other people here as apparently bored as I am enough to start a thread like this.

Yeah I agree, but the programme doesn't sound anti-bitcoin - I think these shows always have an anti-government agenda. It's about the little man (Satoshi) fighting the man.

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Matthew and Flip Tulipcoin, two of my favorites, in the same thread! If only they were on opposite sides of the issues - now that would be entertainment gold.

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Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 11:19:23 AM

Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 11:00:01 AM

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:54:04 AM

Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 09:51:30 AM

Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

Remember the movie "Antitrust"? Of course they never mentioned Microsoft by name, but the "evil" company in the movie is obviously based on Microsoft, and the "evil" founder is obviously supposed to be Bill Gates.

So why do you think they did not use those names?

Big mystery here.

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on December 20, 2011, 10:26:15 AM

Microsoft is a registered company and trademark. Windows is a registered trademark and patent. You want to play with decentralized fire, you should expect to get burned.

If any business owner out there is stupid enough to accept a payment method associated with high amounts of fraud for example, they deserve to reap the rewards of public disapproval. It is very clear to me that very few of the members in this forum, especially in this thread, have ever run a healthy and successful business.

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Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 11:00:01 AM

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:54:04 AM

Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 09:51:30 AM

Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

Remember the movie "Antitrust"? Of course they never mentioned Microsoft by name, but the "evil" company in the movie is obviously based on Microsoft, and the "evil" founder is obviously supposed to be Bill Gates.

So why do you think they did not use those names?

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Quote from: dancupid on December 20, 2011, 11:01:00 AM

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:02:58 AM

Calling bitcoin 'illegally invented' as in the CBS press release about the "Bitcoin for Dummies" episode of "Good Wife" is a clear defamation and demands a legal action.

Link to the announcement text: http://1.hidemyass.com/ip-4/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LmNic3ByZXNzZXhwcmVzcy5jb20vY2JzLWVudGVydGFpbm1lbnQvcmVsZWFzZXMvdmlldz9pZD0zMDE3Nw%3D%3D&f=norefer

It's a drama - the show is about legal issues as I understand it. The whole premise of the show is that a lawyer defending Satoshi is required to reveal the details of his client to the Government and has employed another lawyer to defend him. ie the show is about the legality or otherwise of bitcoin. The legality issue is being tested in the narrative.

Even if the show flatout said that Bitcoin was illegal, they would have all the right in the world to do so as an entertainment drama. Can we sue zombie movie producers for saying that you can kill them with shotguns? Can we sue CSI for zooming in infinately on things that have poor quality?

At least it's refreshing to see other people here as apparently bored as I am enough to start a thread like this.

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Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:02:58 AM

Calling bitcoin 'illegally invented' as in the CBS press release about the "Bitcoin for Dummies" episode of "Good Wife" is a clear defamation and demands a legal action.

Link to the announcement text: http://1.hidemyass.com/ip-4/encoded/Oi8vd3d3LmNic3ByZXNzZXhwcmVzcy5jb20vY2JzLWVudGVydGFpbm1lbnQvcmVsZWFzZXMvdmlldz9pZD0zMDE3Nw%3D%3D&f=norefer

It's a drama - the show is about legal issues as I understand it. The whole premise of the show is that a lawyer defending Satoshi is required to reveal the details of his client to the Government and has employed another lawyer to defend him. ie the show is about the legality or otherwise of bitcoin. The legality issue is being tested in the narrative.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on December 20, 2011, 10:26:15 AM

Well well, isn't this quite retarded.

Some forum members are butthurt because a fiction TV show called their favorite hobby 'illegal', and their arguement is that businesses who use it should be protected?

There is no one to sue them, and no reason to sue, much less no one to sue in the first place.

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:54:04 AM

Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 09:51:30 AM

Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

There are companies that depend on the Bitcoin system - imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

Microsoft is a registered company and trademark. Windows is a registered trademark and patent. You want to play with decentralized fire, you should expect to get burned.

If any business owner out there is stupid enough to accept a payment method associated with high amounts of fraud for example, they deserve to reap the rewards of public disapproval. It is very clear to me that very few of the members in this forum, especially in this thread, have ever run a healthy and successful business.

I think he is speaking about fiat money

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Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:54:04 AM

Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 09:51:30 AM

Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

Remember the movie "Antitrust"? Of course they never mentioned Microsoft by name, but the "evil" company in the movie is obviously based on Microsoft, and the "evil" founder is obviously supposed to be Bill Gates.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on December 20, 2011, 10:26:15 AM

Well well, isn't this quite retarded.

Some forum members are butthurt because a fiction TV show called their favorite hobby 'illegal', and their arguement is that businesses who use it should be protected?

There is no one to sue them, and no reason to sue, much less no one to sue in the first place.
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Microsoft is a registered company and trademark. Windows is a registered trademark and patent. You want to play with decentralized fire, you should expect to get burned.

If any business owner out there is stupid enough to accept a payment method associated with high amounts of fraud for example, they deserve to reap the rewards of public disapproval. It is very clear to me that very few of the members in this forum, especially in this thread, have ever run a healthy and successful business.

+1

Not to mention beware the "Streisand Effect":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

If some yoyo actually filed a lawsuit or went whining to some government agency ( I don't know of one in the U.S. that would actually care or have any jurisdiction in the matter ), half the internet would be competing to see who could most effectively belittle the effort to bloody shreds, cook them until charred black, and then do it again. Wow, I'd like to see that, go for it, somebody, please? Wink

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LOL ... illegal inventors! That's a new idea, let's make inventions illegal! Better run and hide once you noticed you've had an idea! Roll Eyes

On one hand, it's an insult, but on the other media stupidity is increasingly amusing.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on December 20, 2011, 10:26:15 AM

Well well, isn't this quite retarded.

Some forum members are butthurt because a fiction TV show called their favorite hobby 'illegal', and their arguement is that businesses who use it should be protected?

There is no one to sue them, and no reason to sue, much less no one to sue in the first place.

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:54:04 AM

Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 09:51:30 AM

Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

There are companies that depend on the Bitcoin system - imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

Microsoft is a registered company and trademark. Windows is a registered trademark and patent. You want to play with decentralized fire, you should expect to get burned.

If any business owner out there is stupid enough to accept a payment method associated with high amounts of fraud for example, they deserve to reap the rewards of public disapproval. It is very clear to me that very few of the members in this forum, especially in this thread, have ever run a healthy and successful business.

Ha ha - I see you get very ideologicaly frustrated about this idea. Relax.

Legally it will all depend on many details, and I am not a lawyer - but a protest about it would not do any harm, I can assure you.

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Well well, isn't this quite retarded.

Some forum members are butthurt because a fiction TV show called their favorite hobby 'illegal', and their arguement is that businesses who use it should be protected?

There is no one to sue them, and no reason to sue, much less no one to sue in the first place.

Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:54:04 AM

Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 09:51:30 AM

Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

There are companies that depend on the Bitcoin system - imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

Microsoft is a registered company and trademark. Windows is a registered trademark and patent. You want to play with decentralized fire, you should expect to get burned.

If any business owner out there is stupid enough to accept a payment method associated with high amounts of fraud for example, they deserve to reap the rewards of public disapproval. It is very clear to me that very few of the members in this forum, especially in this thread, have ever run a healthy and successful business.

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it will be great if tv show sparks hot debate Wink

imagine south park doing an episode around bitcoin, how do you think they would portray this community, given their satirical caricature perspective?

the bitcoin messiah, the hoard of trolls, darknet gods, alpachas and one dude with big round glasses and squeaky voice shining like a light bulb

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The first is by definition not flawed.

yes - I will join your protest

while secretly being happy since illegal usually implies a certain attraction
for a youth culture to form around it.

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Quote from: zby on December 20, 2011, 09:54:04 AM

There are companies that depend on the Bitcoin system - imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

you have a point there. the script doesn't appear to mention satoshi by name nor bitcoin. it is only in the title of the episode that the word bitcoin appears. a reasonable person could confuse the fictional story on tv with the real-world bitcoin currency. the bitcoin foundation doesn't exist yet -- what to do?

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I agree, calling "illegal" something that is perfectly legal is defamation. The fact that bitcoin is decentralized doesn't mean they can do whatever they want cause "ahah there is no central organization"

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Quote from: epetroel on December 20, 2011, 09:51:30 AM

Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

There are companies that depend on the Bitcoin system - imagine that there was a TV show about someone 'illegally inventing Microsoft Windows'.

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Also, I don't think the law recognizes defamation of a computer program.

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The revolution will be monetized!

I understand your position. But looking for accuracy in a TV show is quite a battle. I would not know where to start, and I doubt it would ever end.

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now that's something the EFF might be able to help with. Creating open source software is not illegal

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