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AS Roma always finds it hard to win against Juventus at Allianz Stadium, and even though Juventus was not playing well at season, AS Roma was able to get a draw against Juventus at Allianz Stadium. If I were to bet on this match I would bet on Juventus to beat AS Roma at Allianz Stadium.
AS Roma may have difficulty facing Juventus in the final match this year. Juventus, which is now starting to find a solid playing rhythm, will provide an attack that can break AS Roma defense. I'm sure Juventus can score at least 1 goal in the first half of the match. To prevent this, Mourinho must be able to change the team's playing strategy and thinking about how to managed the defender to stop any of attack from Juventus. If Mou still applies the same and ineffective strategy as in other matches, then AS Roma will experience defeat.
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Juventus really needs to maintain its consistency to be able to pressure Inter Milan in the race for the Scudetto, Alleggri has to think of several solutions regarding the balance of his squad. On other hand, Juventus management should support Alleggri with a budget to add depth to the squad, they must find replacements for Pogba and Fagioli who have been banned from playing. As currently seen, only Juventus is able to become Inter rival team in the Scudetto race, other elite teams are having difficulty stopping Inter steps this season.

We know that competition in the next half of the season will be fiercer, if the point difference is not large it means that the position is not completely safe. In week 18, Juventus will face one tough match, namely against Roma. Alleggri certainly understands that Mourinho squad is not an easy opponent, they have just beaten Napoli. On paper, Juventus is superior, but Roma has ambitions to penetrate the top four of the standings, so the Bianconeri need to be fully alert.
To stay competitive, Allegri needs to explore solutions and find suitable replacements for Pogba and Fagioli. His strategic thinking regarding the balance of the squad is pivotal. The board should be ready to support him financially with providing squad depth. The Scudetto race is intense, and the competition is fierce, with Inter Milan showing a great form. To stay in the race, Juventus must not only win matches but also maintain a level of performance that matches or surpasses Inter's.

The mid-season point difference is a crucial factor. If the gap is not substantial, it implies that no position is entirely safe, and even a small slip-up could be costly. Juventus need to prepare for the challenges of the next half of the season that requires a proactive approach by addressing potential weaknesses in the squad. The match against Roma is a significant test. Despite being on paper the superior team, Juventus cannot underestimate Roma, especially after their recent victory against Napoli. Roma's ambitions to break into the top four make them a determined opponent, Mourinho's desire to beat a good team is always scary, and Juventus needs to be fully alert to secure a positive result.
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Juventus are stronger than AS Roma and they need to beat AS Roma even it will be a very tight might for them. AS Roma with Jose Mourinho and his focus on defense won't be easily beaten.
Yes, we all know that and how Jose Mourinho got around the attack from Juventus was with a defense that was difficult to break down. Not only Juventus but any team will definitely find it difficult to get past Roma's strong defense and this is the only obstacle for Juventus to score a goal against Roma. However, I also cannot avoid the fact that Juventus has such a strong attack that this will be a very heated battle between the two teams.

Whoever makes a mistake is the team that loses and on the other hand, if Roma concedes first then Juventus' path to breaking into Roma's goal with more goals will also be realized. Well, Roma is not a team that gives up quickly and if they score first and then use a bus parking defense then it is certain that Juventus will lose this week's match.
Juventus cannot make the slightest mistake when facing AS Roma. Because after all, AS Roma is a team that waits for their opponents to make their own mistakes and open gaps in the defense and that's when AS Roma's front line players will break in and score goals. But so far Juventus' defense is no less great than AS Roma. And Juventus certainly has a much better attack.

I am sure that Juventus will not suffer the same fate as Napoli who lost very sadly in the last match to AS Roma. Napoli's defeat was very painful because they lost in front of their own supporters. And because Napoli also had to lose 2 important players in their next match because a red card would prevent the players from being able to play in the next match. Meanwhile, Napoli really needs Osimhen. But this week it is certain that Osimhen will not play because of a red card in the match against As Roma.

Juventus should not be provoked by the attitude of AS Roma players who usually have a strategy to provoke opponents.
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Juventus will try to become champions in this Serie A competition, and Juventus' main opponent at the moment is Inter Milan. Even though the distance between Juventus and Inter Milan in the standings is 4 points, I am sure that Juventus will get the opportunity to reach first place before the competition is over. because in the upcoming match, Juventus will meet an opponent who, in my opinion, is very easy to beat.

Juventus really have to improve their quality this season because yes, Juventus are still not completely good so far this season. But ya, at least there is still a second half of the season then of course, Juventus still has the time and opportunity to be able to improve the quality and performance of course to be even better. Maybe, in the transfer market there will also be new players or maybe also players who leave and yes, it is hoped that Juventus will make the right choice.

Because after all, basically Juventus is still unable to compete with Inter and at least, Juventus is still quite lucky because other top teams such as Milan, Napoli and also AS Roma are not in a better trend than Juventus this moment. Therefore, currently Juventus is still quite lucky because Juventus is still safe in second place in the current Serie A standings.
Juventus really needs to maintain its consistency to be able to pressure Inter Milan in the race for the Scudetto, Alleggri has to think of several solutions regarding the balance of his squad. On other hand, Juventus management should support Alleggri with a budget to add depth to the squad, they must find replacements for Pogba and Fagioli who have been banned from playing. As currently seen, only Juventus is able to become Inter rival team in the Scudetto race, other elite teams are having difficulty stopping Inter steps this season.

We know that competition in the next half of the season will be fiercer, if the point difference is not large it means that the position is not completely safe. In week 18, Juventus will face one tough match, namely against Roma. Alleggri certainly understands that Mourinho squad is not an easy opponent, they have just beaten Napoli. On paper, Juventus is superior, but Roma has ambitions to penetrate the top four of the standings, so the Bianconeri need to be fully alert.
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In the next match, Roma will face Juventus, and this is a nightmare for Roma because, so far, Juventus has a very solid and strong team. Of course, Roma will have difficulty facing Juventus' strength. Roma must continue to play by controlling their emotions because, in the previous match, Roma looked full of emotion and often received violations.
Roma will have reason to be fearful before this match. They don't have good head-to-head history against Juventus at home stadium or home-away stadium.

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Juventus is in good form in Italy Serie A and they won 6 home games at Allianz Stadium.

Roma is in good form in Serie A and they won two away games.

Juventus won 23 times in their past 41 meetings with Roma.
These stats are for matches since Juventus moved to their new and current stadium, Allianz Stadium. If you look at longer historic stats, before Juventus moved to Allianz stadium, Juventus are stronger than AS Roma too.

This match is important for both of clubs, Juventus need a winning to compete with Inter Milan for Scudetto and AS Roma need three points to compete with many clubs for the fourth position.
AS Roma always finds it hard to win against Juventus at Allianz Stadium, and even though Juventus was not playing well at season, AS Roma was able to get a draw against Juventus at Allianz Stadium. If I were to bet on this match I would bet on Juventus to beat AS Roma at Allianz Stadium.
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Juventus are stronger than AS Roma and they need to beat AS Roma even it will be a very tight might for them. AS Roma with Jose Mourinho and his focus on defense won't be easily beaten.
Yes, we all know that and how Jose Mourinho got around the attack from Juventus was with a defense that was difficult to break down. Not only Juventus but any team will definitely find it difficult to get past Roma's strong defense and this is the only obstacle for Juventus to score a goal against Roma. However, I also cannot avoid the fact that Juventus has such a strong attack that this will be a very heated battle between the two teams.

Whoever makes a mistake is the team that loses and on the other hand, if Roma concedes first then Juventus' path to breaking into Roma's goal with more goals will also be realized. Well, Roma is not a team that gives up quickly and if they score first and then use a bus parking defense then it is certain that Juventus will lose this week's match.
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Juventus really have to improve their quality this season because yes, Juventus are still not completely good so far this season. But ya, at least there is still a second half of the season then of course, Juventus still has the time and opportunity to be able to improve the quality and performance of course to be even better. Maybe, in the transfer market there will also be new players or maybe also players who leave and yes, it is hoped that Juventus will make the right choice.
Juventus are not as strong as they were in previous seasons before they lost Scudetto to Inter Milan, AC Milan and Napoli. They dominated Serie A in like 9 seasons before losing it to those three latest champions. They even fell out of top four in the last season and it will be a mandatory target for them in this season. Complete this season in top four is a first mandatory target and a bigger one is winning Scudetto.

They don't actually improve their quality too much with nearly same players but in this season, they don't have 10-point deduction like the past season and they will be able to fairly compete with Inter Milan, not like the past season.

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Because after all, basically Juventus is still unable to compete with Inter and at least, Juventus is still quite lucky because other top teams such as Milan, Napoli and also AS Roma are not in a better trend than Juventus this moment. Therefore, currently Juventus is still quite lucky because Juventus is still safe in second place in the current Serie A standings.
Juventus are stronger than AS Roma and they need to beat AS Roma even it will be a very tight might for them. AS Roma with Jose Mourinho and his focus on defense won't be easily beaten.
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Roma performed very well after some bad results in the previous match. They have managed to get into 6th position and maybe they will continue to improve their ranking. I saw that in the previous two seasons they were always only able to appear in the UEFA European competition, so hopefully this positive result can enable Roma to appear in the Champions League next season.
In the next match, Roma will face Juventus, and this is a nightmare for Roma because, so far, Juventus has a very solid and strong team. Of course, Roma will have difficulty facing Juventus' strength. Roma must continue to play by controlling their emotions because, in the previous match, Roma looked full of emotion and often received violations.
Roma's showdown versus Juventus worries me. Juventus' season has been excellent, as everyone knows. They have remarkable tactical versatility, making them a tough opponent for anyone, let alone an impassioned Roma squad. Playing emotionally might be risky. Roma has employed emotional provocation successfully under Mourinho, as seen against Napoli. But against Juventus, known for their strategic prowess and calm heads, this may not work. Roma might surprise us if they stay calm, but itll be tough.

Despite their goal-scoring struggles, Juventus has remained a competitive rival. Allegri's ability to keep beating opponents despite a tight margin speaks much. They're best at balancing and adapting, not scoring lots of goals. Roma fears facing a strategically sound team. Matching Juventus's tactical style requires more than emotional play - they need a solid, well-thought-out strategy.
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The current Juventus squad is not enough to compete with inter for the championship, the quality is still inferior. still need to develop the team and add quality players, maybe next year it will be able to compete for the championship in Serie A.
clearly Juventus is a big team in Italy, by collecting the most Italian league champions 30 times.
But actually by being the richest club in Italy building a squad so well it's not too difficult
Juventus will try to become champions in this Serie A competition, and Juventus' main opponent at the moment is Inter Milan. Even though the distance between Juventus and Inter Milan in the standings is 4 points, I am sure that Juventus will get the opportunity to reach first place before the competition is over. because in the upcoming match, Juventus will meet an opponent who, in my opinion, is very easy to beat.

Juventus really have to improve their quality this season because yes, Juventus are still not completely good so far this season. But ya, at least there is still a second half of the season then of course, Juventus still has the time and opportunity to be able to improve the quality and performance of course to be even better. Maybe, in the transfer market there will also be new players or maybe also players who leave and yes, it is hoped that Juventus will make the right choice.

Because after all, basically Juventus is still unable to compete with Inter and at least, Juventus is still quite lucky because other top teams such as Milan, Napoli and also AS Roma are not in a better trend than Juventus this moment. Therefore, currently Juventus is still quite lucky because Juventus is still safe in second place in the current Serie A standings.
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Roma performed very well after some bad results in the previous match. They have managed to get into 6th position and maybe they will continue to improve their ranking. I saw that in the previous two seasons they were always only able to appear in the UEFA European competition, so hopefully this positive result can enable Roma to appear in the Champions League next season.
In the next match, Roma will face Juventus, and this is a nightmare for Roma because, so far, Juventus has a very solid and strong team. Of course, Roma will have difficulty facing Juventus' strength. Roma must continue to play by controlling their emotions because, in the previous match, Roma looked full of emotion and often received violations.

Roma cannot escape that emotional feeling when they face Juventus in their next match. Seeing the caliber of team they will be playing against us enough for them to have some emotional feelings and be anxious of what the outcome of the match will be. Juventus are really fighting for that top spot and will give everything to make it to that top of the table even when it seems harder daily because of the teams that they need to challenge and replace at that top of the table. Roma won their last match with Napoli, hopefully this should be a booster and encouragement for them to play well in this match with Juventus. Juventus will not be taken their meeting with them lightly because they need all the three points and Roma will be looking to at least get a point in this game too.
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If you are just going to wait for the result when the match starts or after the match ends then yes, you will also miss this match without betting but indeed, I know it is an option.

But regarding the match between Juventus v AS Roma it is clear, that Juventus is still a better team when compared to AS Roma . Apart from their position in the current Serie A standings, at least Juventus so far this season has also been a team that at least has a good defense too, at least it is evident from the low number of conceded Juventus sofar this season.

But indeed, although Juventus have a good defense, at least there is still no strong guarantee for Juventus to be able to beat AS Roma in their match later . Because after all, even though Juventus have a strong defense but ya, at the same time the reality is that Juventus are not so good and do not have high aggressiveness in making goals. So ya, at least Juventus also still have weaknesses in making score goal and thus, there is no definite guarantee for Juventus to be able to win against AS Roma later.
Juventus vs AS Roma, one crazy fixture about to go down especially for Punters. But you could decide to bet on it or not. The fun will still go down. For Punters my perferred bet will be t Double Chance Juventus. My reasons been that Juventus are pretty good defensively, yes AS Roma are bad at the moment but who knows their win against Napoli could be a pick up point for them and this Juventus side aren’t good aggressively to get the goals.

 So I feel Juventus will be able to contain Mourinho’s Roma but the major issue will be to score AS Roma and also Roma won’t be able to get goal credits for themselves too, although the favorites to win this match is definitely Juventus even though they might find it difficult to score Roma, but they're the hosting team and that's  very big advantage for them, Hence my prediction of Double Chancing Juventus.
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Having Lukaku back in the team and in the shape he is currently in is never bad of course, but the really decisive scenes in this game were the red cards. Those cards pulled the rug under Napoli's feet.

Lukaku got his goal, which helps him to quickly get back to normal and nobody cares whether he scored that against 9 Napoli players or 11 Napoli players. But for Napoli the tendency for the moment is bad and stopping it is hard.

in the Roma Napoli match we understand many things, the first being that Roma are now great but that Lukaku is dependent, for better or worse I don`t judge. The second is that Napoli are very nervous, their nerves are on edge, perhaps Mazzarri should work on this before working on tactics. My opinion
Yes that's right. Lukaku's presence at As Roma provides another color this season, even As Roma is slowly starting to develop, and I think AS Roma will continue to struggle to reach the top four positions. Maybe this is the main focus of the MOU this season, in the next match As Roma will play Juventus, hopefully they can achieve good results.

On the other hand, after watching Napoli's match this season, I realized that coaches are very influential in a team, especially in terms of brainwashing the players. Napoli are okay with losing Kim Min Jae but the rest are still surviving, it turns out the key is Luciano Spalletti. After changing coaches with Rudi Garcia, Napoli performed badly, even after changing coaches again, Mazzarri, Napoli immediately slumped. I even think that players like Oshimen and Kvaratsckhelia really believe that their motivation for Napoli has dropped drastically, so Zielinsky and Politano also failed, unlike last season.

I highly doubt Roma can achieve a good result against Juventus in the last game of the 2023 which would be in 29-30 December as Juventus is playing a much better football and Roma was not convincing at all,they won against Napoli but Napoli was playing with 10 and 9 men in the end and it was this time that Roma was able to score,when playing 11 vs 11 Roma could not score goals.

I agree though that Roma is performing well lately and the presence of Lukaku has greatly improved their performance as of lately and most probably they would be happy with a Europa League place spot in the end as competition for Champions is really hot right now in the Serie A.

Talking about Roma they can definitely achieve a good result against Juventus if they use the chances in this match but Juventus is in a situation in which they hardly need to achieve victory in this match, I think if Juventus loses any point in this game against Roma they will get even more space from Inter Milan and this can help Inter Milan to get closer to win the title at the end of this season.
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I still appreciate whatever Juventus has achieved at this time because after all Juventus is one of the popular teams and also a big team in series A, it's just that it's currently chasing its glory days like before.

The current Juventus squad is not enough to compete with inter for the championship, the quality is still inferior. still need to develop the team and add quality players, maybe next year it will be able to compete for the championship in Serie A.
clearly Juventus is a big team in Italy, by collecting the most Italian league champions 30 times.
But actually by being the richest club in Italy building a squad so well it's not too difficult
I would prefer if the two of them met immediately to fight because the time is still quite long namely in February so there is still time to prepare each of them. Juventus who are currently runners up are definitely more  motivated to conquer the top of the standings.

This weekend really benefited from playing against Genoa, the goal of getting 3 points was very supportive  and gave us a little distance from Juventus.  Genoa is actually not a serious threat and for Inter this match needs to be maximized well. Moreover both Head to Head are  still promising capital for Inter to extend their winning trend against Genoa.
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It's going to be a strong match and clash of two titans as Juventus is trying to catch up with Inter and close the 4 points gap between them and the league leaders, So they won't joke with the game. While on the Roma side that is managed by José Mourinho who is fighting to ensure he qualifies the Roma team for the next season's Champions League competition, wouldn't want to lose all that 3 points to Juventus; we know Mourinho as good at getting a draw in his away games than to lose the game. I will go for Juventus win or draw.
Jose Mourinho will prepare the strategy he always plays when facing teams better than them, which is a defensive strategy. In some conditions, the strategy he applies does look more effective, rather than he forces to play with an open and attacking strategy, because it will increase their chances of losing.

AS Roma are also still experiencing problems at the back, yes there are too many gaps they have that can be well utilized by Juventus later. I think Jose Mourinho does not take that risk and will prefer to focus on defense and rely on fast counter-attacks.

As for Juventus, they have a good defense, it's just that they don't have good enough sharpness like Inter Milan, it will also hamper them if AS Roma really play with a defensive strategy.
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I still appreciate whatever Juventus has achieved at this time because after all Juventus is one of the popular teams and also a big team in series A, it's just that it's currently chasing its glory days like before.

The current Juventus squad is not enough to compete with inter for the championship, the quality is still inferior. still need to develop the team and add quality players, maybe next year it will be able to compete for the championship in Serie A.
clearly Juventus is a big team in Italy, by collecting the most Italian league champions 30 times.
But actually by being the richest club in Italy building a squad so well it's not too difficult

Juventus needs only to find the last piece of its puzzel. It must be a new striker that is capable enough to help the club to perform better than before. Im waiting for what plan owned by allegri to fix this. The current attacking line is not good enough.
it's still consistently winning and overall performance is not that bad but i would prefer juventus to get a new striker that can play better for the club. Vlahovic has always helping juventus a lot but he was still far from good.

Juventus needs someone who can play like lautaro martinez. This guy has become the main weapon owned by juventus. I meant that if juventus and allegri needs to put someone as its target.
I have heard that juventus has been linked to the lukaku last season and will juventus try to get him back again? lukaku is probably a very suitable striker for juventus right now. On observing based on the lukaku's gameplay combined with juventus's gameplay.

Lukaku will be very fit to the juventus and i do like to see him join in the juventus as a new striker. I hope that lukaku to join in the juventus in the future.
It will be also answering many questions spread around the serie a fans.
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maybe now Juventus will return to its former glory, able to perform consistently with all the tactics and strategies used to secure victory in every match. however, I think this is indeed Juventus opportunity when they dont have a schedule for other competitions and I'm just curious if they manage to get tickets to the UCL, whether in the next season this team will be able to perform like it is now?
for me, the busy match schedule makes the players tired, on the one hand, Juventus only competes in series A without any pressure and this situation makes Juventus look very strong.

I still appreciate whatever Juventus has achieved at this time because after all Juventus is one of the popular teams and also a big team in series A, it's just that it's currently chasing its glory days like before.
They do look like there is a possibility that they might. I mean it's clear that we are talking about a situation where they weren't really expected to be that bad last season neither, they did alright and I think that wasn't really that confusing, after all we are talking about a team that was almost second last year and they got points deduction and that's why they ended up badly.

With the new season they are showing what they are capable of, they could win the league this year or even if they fail the worst I can see them doing would be second place, I do not think that they would do that but it looks like it's going to be quite possible. I hope that they could continue to do better and the results would be good for them, it's fun to watch them being good again.

It actually feels good seeing that Juventus is returning to how it used to be and playing in the Uefa Champions League next season. But however, the season hasn't ended yet, so they better keep up the consistency.

Juventus used to be the team that used to dominate the Serie A a few years back. They were like the Bayern Munich of the Bundesliga and PSG of Ligue 1. All of a sudden they had lost their touch and didn't play in the Uefa Champions League. This season they have made a return and are in 2nd place right now. But I don’t think they will be able to take the Serie A title though. Inter Milan are 4 points ahead of them and looks consistent. But the season isn’t over and I will be happy to see them Scudetto once more.
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The current Juventus squad is not enough to compete with inter for the championship, the quality is still inferior. still need to develop the team and add quality players, maybe next year it will be able to compete for the championship in Serie A.
clearly Juventus is a big team in Italy, by collecting the most Italian league champions 30 times.
But actually by being the richest club in Italy building a squad so well it's not too difficult
Juventus will try to become champions in this Serie A competition, and Juventus' main opponent at the moment is Inter Milan. Even though the distance between Juventus and Inter Milan in the standings is 4 points, I am sure that Juventus will get the opportunity to reach first place before the competition is over. because in the upcoming match, Juventus will meet an opponent who, in my opinion, is very easy to beat.
It also depends on how Inter Milan finish the rest of the season, if they can maintain what they showed from the beginning of the season, then they will be able to become champions. But if they even decline, then there is an opportunity for Juventus to overtake Inter Milan. But so far I haven't seen any signs of Inter Milan going downhill, their preparations seem to be mature and they also have a pretty good squad depth too.
The meeting of the two will also be one of the determinants, whoever can win the match then they have an increased chance than before.
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It's going to be a strong match and clash of two titans as Juventus is trying to catch up with Inter and close the 4 points gap between them and the league leaders, So they won't joke with the game. While on the Roma side that is managed by José Mourinho who is fighting to ensure he qualifies the Roma team for the next season's Champions League competition, wouldn't want to lose all that 3 points to Juventus; we know Mourinho as good at getting a draw in his away games than to lose the game. I will go for Juventus win or draw.
In this match, betting on Juventus is indeed very trustworthy. Because Allegri can definitely ensure that his team doesn't lose in front of his own supporters. But as we usually see this season. Juventus often does not play an aggressive attacking strategy. They often make games that are not fast-paced. Even though that wasn't Juventus' usual style of play last season. But this season the Juventus squad is not in good condition. Because Juventus didn't buy many players in the transfer market yesterday. So Juventus will still have difficulties even if they only face Roma.

Because Roma is also not an ordinary team. They are a strong team that will definitely be difficult to beat. Even Napoli had to lose the match against Roma. I don't know how, but Rome cannot be underestimated. Jose Mourinho is a tenacious and smart coach. so Juventus will definitely have difficulties in this match. But as the host of course Juventus will remain the favorite and I also prefer to bet on Juventus.
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The current Juventus squad is not enough to compete with inter for the championship, the quality is still inferior. still need to develop the team and add quality players, maybe next year it will be able to compete for the championship in Serie A.
clearly Juventus is a big team in Italy, by collecting the most Italian league champions 30 times.
But actually by being the richest club in Italy building a squad so well it's not too difficult
Juventus will try to become champions in this Serie A competition, and Juventus' main opponent at the moment is Inter Milan. Even though the distance between Juventus and Inter Milan in the standings is 4 points, I am sure that Juventus will get the opportunity to reach first place before the competition is over. because in the upcoming match, Juventus will meet an opponent who, in my opinion, is very easy to beat.
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maybe now Juventus will return to its former glory, able to perform consistently with all the tactics and strategies used to secure victory in every match. however, I think this is indeed Juventus opportunity when they dont have a schedule for other competitions and I'm just curious if they manage to get tickets to the UCL, whether in the next season this team will be able to perform like it is now?
for me, the busy match schedule makes the players tired, on the one hand, Juventus only competes in series A without any pressure and this situation makes Juventus look very strong.

I still appreciate whatever Juventus has achieved at this time because after all Juventus is one of the popular teams and also a big team in series A, it's just that it's currently chasing its glory days like before.
They do look like there is a possibility that they might. I mean it's clear that we are talking about a situation where they weren't really expected to be that bad last season neither, they did alright and I think that wasn't really that confusing, after all we are talking about a team that was almost second last year and they got points deduction and that's why they ended up badly.

With the new season they are showing what they are capable of, they could win the league this year or even if they fail the worst I can see them doing would be second place, I do not think that they would do that but it looks like it's going to be quite possible. I hope that they could continue to do better and the results would be good for them, it's fun to watch them being good again.
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