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Quote from: babo on September 20, 2023, 06:16:29 AM

Quote from: ampere on September 20, 2023, 06:04:53 AM

Lukaku is everything; but not an overpaid lucky man; he is a great footballer who is living in the past and thats just fine. Lukaku insistent on not improving his game play is why he is struggling today and thats why not many clubsides wants him too. Other teams avoided him because of his strange personality and poor form

Nono man i dont talk about Lukaku
I talk about José Mourinho.. i hate this coach
He Is a lucky overpaid One, not Lukaku

He take Lukaku only because Is a lucky man, read Better
Lukaku Is good One, Little mercenari but.goos

I don't know how up to date this is, but I wanted to refer to you saying that Lukaku is a little mercenary. Cheesy

Here they are providing an overview and Lukaku and Lukaku cost a combined €333.6m during 9 different tenures in his professional career. I think he is one of the greatest mercenaries football has ever seen. I guess he can compete with any professional from any sport. Cheesy

It is just a funny fact.

You are right about Mourinho. He is still profiting from his Champions League successes with Porto and Inter Milan. His salary was based on those two trophies for a long time, which has certainly made him rich.

But I have to give him some respect because he sticked to his word and did not leave Roma following the money to Saudi Arabia. I think despite all criticism he deserves, that was a good move.

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Quote from: babo on September 20, 2023, 01:33:21 AM

He's just an overpaid lucky man who can't do anything
he only has the name that he uses to get paid and to convince some chicken who still thinks he is good
the Lukaku deal too, just luck. Juventus didn't want to conclude by also taking money, other teams avoided him because the fans were against it so they were able to sign him (I remember it's a loan)
So better luck than that, really.

Haha that was a frontal thing but I agree with what you said in this case.
Lukaku is not wanted anywhere and his future is in limbo when no one wants his services.
Now Roma came as a savior despite being opposed by most fans because it was considered not suitable but Roma still forced it. Actually this is an opportunity for Lukaku because if at the end of this season he at Roma does not have a good performance then it is increasingly difficult for Lukaku to be trusted by big clubs again and he also cannot force luck like this season every year.

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Team	Point
Inter	12
Juve	10
Milan	9
Lecce	8
Napoli	7
Frosinone	7
Torino	7
Fiorentina	7
Verona	7
Atalanta	6
Bologna	5
Roma	4
Genoa	4
Monza	4
Lazio	3
Udinese	3
Sassuolo	3
Cagliari	2
Salernitana	2
Empoli	0

First place for Inter aaaaannnnd second for my beloved Juventus!

Only Empoli is at 0 points, probably going in Serie B.

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Quote from: ampere on September 20, 2023, 06:04:53 AM

Quote from: babo on September 20, 2023, 01:33:21 AM

He's just an overpaid lucky man who can't do anything
he only has the name that he uses to get paid and to convince some chicken who still thinks he is good
the Lukaku deal too, just luck. Juventus didn't want to conclude by also taking money, other teams avoided him because the fans were against it so they were able to sign him (I remember it's a loan)
So better luck than that, really.

Lukaku is everything; but not an overpaid lucky man; he is a great footballer who is living in the past and thats just fine. Lukaku insistent on not improving his game play is why he is struggling today and thats why not many clubsides wants him too. Other teams avoided him because of his strange personality and poor form

Nono man i dont talk about Lukaku
I talk about José Mourinho.. i hate this coach
He Is a lucky overpaid One, not Lukaku

He take Lukaku only because Is a lucky man, read Better
Lukaku Is good One, Little mercenari but.goos

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Quote from: beerlover on September 19, 2023, 01:35:30 PM

That's true, there are situations where people could only make predictions and assumptions and we could not really know what's going on. This is why I keep telling people that Maguire could be actually better than what we think as well.

Think about it, that dude played under 3-4 different managers at United, and all of them kept him, if he was as bad as we think he was, don't we think that managers would just cut him from the squad the moment they get a chance to do it? They would all tell the team to get a defender urgently and get rid of him. He must be great at training to keep getting a chance, obviously injuries to other players matters in that sense too. We will never be able to understand what a manager thinks when they do something.

It might be hazardous to make big changes to a winning team. To maintain the successful formula while making the required alterations, a balance must be struck. It is difficult to make judgements because, as observers, we do not have a complete understanding of what takes place during training sessions. Garcia choices are clearly a fine line to walk. He becomes a hero if his adjustments are successful, but he is under pressure from both the public and himself if they are unsuccessful. Taking over a team that was dominant the previous season can be difficult because the new manager has more to lose than gain.

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Quote from: hahay on September 19, 2023, 10:31:05 AM

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I don't agree with what you say. In my opinion Garcia made too many changes all at once at the beginning of the championship and it would have been better to take advantage of a proven team, which had won the previous championship many weeks before it ended (and this explains the decline towards the end of the championship when they had many points advantage over their direct competitors and therefore had an understandable drop in tension), and making small changes and modifications to the formation and game organization during construction and based on the form of its players.

I agree with most of your post, but I also think that sometimes as outsiders it is easy for us to have opinions. I actually have the same opinion like you, but we have to admit that we don't see the team at training sessions. Signaling to the team that the first eleven is set in stone because of what they achieved last season isn't necessarily the right path of action for a new manager. If it works out when he changes a lot, then he is the hero but if it doesn't he will immediately have to deal with repercussions from the public, the fans and perhaps the team itself. It's often a fine line for new managers and really, a manager taking over a team that just won the title with 16 points ahead of the 2nd can essentially only lose. What is left there for Garcia to win?

Lol, very funny. If a head coach doesn't make any changes, but why would the team sell some key players? After all, even if the coach doesn't make changes, there will always be players leaving and coming in the transfer window. Therefore, it is very inaccurate if you argue like that about, Garcia who made a lot of changes. After all, no team continues to use the exact same players as in the previous season. Also, no one can blame Garcia, because basically Napoli do not have the quality to be able to dominate Serie A every season.

There is a very simple reason why team sells key players, it is because they have no choice but to sell them. Contract duration, financial pressure etc. look at Dortmund or Frankfurt in the Bundesliga. Do you think they loved to sell Kolo Muani? Or Dortmund loved to sell all those top players, Bellingham or give Haaland the release clause? It is because they have to. How many key players did Napoli actually sell? The one that comes to my mind is Min-jae Kim, who else left the club? Or are you saying that this one player alone is the reason for any significant decline in performance?

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Quote from: babo on September 20, 2023, 01:33:21 AM

He's just an overpaid lucky man who can't do anything
he only has the name that he uses to get paid and to convince some chicken who still thinks he is good
the Lukaku deal too, just luck. Juventus didn't want to conclude by also taking money, other teams avoided him because the fans were against it so they were able to sign him (I remember it's a loan)
So better luck than that, really.

Lukaku is everything; but not an overpaid lucky man; he is a great footballer who is living in the past and thats just fine. Lukaku insistent on not improving his game play is why he is struggling today and thats why not many clubsides wants him too. Other teams avoided him because of his strange personality and poor form

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Quote from: shogun47 on September 19, 2023, 10:13:00 AM

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Even if Spalletti had stayed (or any other coach had come), repeating the championship with Napoli would be a very difficult task. Napoli has been one of the big four in Serie A for a long time and is almost as good as Inter, Milan and Juventus in terms of finances and opportunities, but still in this campaign they are eternal underdogs and can take the title either against the backdrop of a decline in the rest or due to a phenomenal series victories like last season. But it’s hard to expect that they can show two such seasons in a row.

Finally someones says this, too. I can't understand how all the experts here really think that the temporary decline in their performance is due to Spalletti having left the club, that's so bullshit...

My take is that Spalletti also left the club exactly because he is a smart guy knowing that this season can never be the same or better than last season. The probability is close to zero for that to happen. That's why he left when Napoli was literally at its peak. The last season was indeed unusually excellent and when there are 16 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss after 19 games, that would have even been amazing for Juventus Turin when they were at their best.

Spalletti chose the right decision since any result after the peak will be perceived as a decline. And by the way, many coaches do this, Mourinho also did not try to win the Champions League with Porto two times in a row and went to Chelsea. There are many examples when a team has jumped into overdrive and the coach leaves it for a stronger/stable one.
It's funny that although things have improved for the Italian national team after the victory over Ukraine, there is still a possibility of not qualifying directly, which would be a resounding failure.

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Quote from: klidex on September 20, 2023, 04:24:48 AM

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Quote from: arimamib on September 19, 2023, 07:51:44 PM

Roma have a busy schedule this week and I think they must be able to manage as well as possible to maintain fitness in each game. Roma will face Sheriff in tomorrow's match with the capital of a big win which will be a big motivation for Roma players to steal points in tomorrow's match.

Roma squad was improved with summer transfer as they got some good players like Lukaku, Azmoun, Paredes, Renato, Christensen, Auoar to have a deeper squad. Unfortunately they still have some injured players like their captain Pellegrini or Abraham. Roma will need those players to come back if they go far in Europa League.

I think it's just a matter of how the players can find chemistry and this must be cultivated more deeply so that what they want can come true. Mourinho will certainly not be quickly satisfied with Empoli's previous victory and he must return to hard training so that his players can be more solid. The absence of Pellegrini and Abraham is also quite impactful and I feel that these two players are important figures for the team to achieve maximum results. Roma's European league match will take place soon but I am quite sure they can win again and continue to be consistent in their next Serie A match this week against Torino.

This match will be held at the Bolshaya Sportivnaya stadium and Roma will playing away from home. The talak victory over Empoli yesterday should created a new spirit for Roma to become stronger to face the match they will face, the match against Sheriff this time I hope Roma can win it because there are many Roma fans who want Roma to bounce back.
Jose Mourinho must make his clubs defense even stronger and be able to appear impressive and maintain consistency in order to winner the matches.

Empoli were weak opponents. However, Roma's win in this match will give their players more confidence. The roma team is not weak this season. However, they started the season very badly. Their performance against empoli was good . And it's thought the team may have returned to the truck this time. The opponent Torino cannot be called weak in the next match. This team is also in good form winning the last two matches. So Roma will have to play well if they want to get 3 points. The team will not be able to earn full points against Torino if they perform erratically. But I think this match will be competitive. And Roma will be able to earn points in this match as well.

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Quote from: rendravolt on September 20, 2023, 02:55:05 AM

Quote from: UchihaSarada on September 19, 2023, 08:25:59 PM

Quote from: arimamib on September 19, 2023, 07:51:44 PM

Roma have a busy schedule this week and I think they must be able to manage as well as possible to maintain fitness in each game. Roma will face Sheriff in tomorrow's match with the capital of a big win which will be a big motivation for Roma players to steal points in tomorrow's match.

Roma squad was improved with summer transfer as they got some good players like Lukaku, Azmoun, Paredes, Renato, Christensen, Auoar to have a deeper squad. Unfortunately they still have some injured players like their captain Pellegrini or Abraham. Roma will need those players to come back if they go far in Europa League.

I think it's just a matter of how the players can find chemistry and this must be cultivated more deeply so that what they want can come true. Mourinho will certainly not be quickly satisfied with Empoli's previous victory and he must return to hard training so that his players can be more solid. The absence of Pellegrini and Abraham is also quite impactful and I feel that these two players are important figures for the team to achieve maximum results. Roma's European league match will take place soon but I am quite sure they can win again and continue to be consistent in their next Serie A match this week against Torino.

This match will be held at the Bolshaya Sportivnaya stadium and Roma will playing away from home. The talak victory over Empoli yesterday should created a new spirit for Roma to become stronger to face the match they will face, the match against Sheriff this time I hope Roma can win it because there are many Roma fans who want Roma to bounce back.
Jose Mourinho must make his clubs defense even stronger and be able to appear impressive and maintain consistency in order to winner the matches.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on September 19, 2023, 05:00:40 PM

AC Milan is not in bad form and I can't understand why some people think after the game they lost against Inter Milan, and because of the results they got in that game we should say AC Milan is in danger.
AC Milan is still racing on top of the table in Serie A which is good enough for them, also they got a 0-0 result against Newcaslte while we know Newcaslte is not a weak team.,
Regarding the game between Inter Milan and AC Milan, we should not forget some layers in AC Milan were in bad form and injured.

It may seem to you as tho AC Milan isn't in a bad form but they aren't in their best either, with the likes of giroud and others been present there it's expected they should be performing well above average, not to think of the fact that they concede five goals, it's really worthy of consideration as this has also led to a drop in their point and position on the league table and this is something that can't be overlooked.

Definitely saying AC Milan is in danger wouldn't be wholesomely wrong but then it will be fair to say they are in what can be classified as mild danger, although they have experienced a drop in morale resulting from this loss they suffered over the weekend, I think it also had a role to play in their draw in the UCL debut, so you understand why we can say some level of danger is ahead.

Nevertheless AC Milan can still make up for it if only they can secure a win in their next game, it will give a good boost and help them get over the loss quick enough not to allow it affect their approach to games in the nearest future. But then Newcastle wasn't a weak team either, AC Milan had more chance than they did because I feel they made their play more defensive.

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Quote from: UchihaSarada on September 19, 2023, 08:25:59 PM

Quote from: arimamib on September 19, 2023, 07:51:44 PM

Roma have a busy schedule this week and I think they must be able to manage as well as possible to maintain fitness in each game. Roma will face Sheriff in tomorrow's match with the capital of a big win which will be a big motivation for Roma players to steal points in tomorrow's match.

Roma squad was improved with summer transfer as they got some good players like Lukaku, Azmoun, Paredes, Renato, Christensen, Auoar to have a deeper squad. Unfortunately they still have some injured players like their captain Pellegrini or Abraham. Roma will need those players to come back if they go far in Europa League.

I think it's just a matter of how the players can find chemistry and this must be cultivated more deeply so that what they want can come true. Mourinho will certainly not be quickly satisfied with Empoli's previous victory and he must return to hard training so that his players can be more solid. The absence of Pellegrini and Abraham is also quite impactful and I feel that these two players are important figures for the team to achieve maximum results. Roma's European league match will take place soon but I am quite sure they can win again and continue to be consistent in their next Serie A match this week against Torino.

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Quote from: babo on September 20, 2023, 01:33:21 AM

Quote from: len01 on September 19, 2023, 11:16:29 PM

Quote from: giammangiato on September 19, 2023, 01:35:07 PM

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Mourinho is an experienced coach who has contributed to other teams with very perfect achievements and currently Mourinho has a new challenge to bring Roma to a better place which is more worthy of improving the performance of his players who should be more solid as you said. even if the victory against Empoli was not very impressive because Empoli was only a weak team, at least with this big score, Roma was able to feel proud of their good achievement in yesterday match.
with yesterday match I became more convinced that it was time for Mourinho to contribute his best strategy to relieve this bad performance.

He's just an overpaid lucky man who can't do anything
he only has the name that he uses to get paid and to convince some chicken who still thinks he is good
the Lukaku deal too, just luck. Juventus didn't want to conclude by also taking money, other teams avoided him because the fans were against it so they were able to sign him (I remember it's a loan)
So better luck than that, really.

I think with what he has achieved in the past, Mourinho is still one of the best at the moment. I think one of the weaknesses at AS Roma lies in finances, Mourinho is not supported by an adequate budget to build a squad. Regarding Lukaku who failed to go to Juventus, this was because Dusan Vlahovic failed to be released in the transfer market as well. I think the fans rejection is only temporary, like Cuaddrado who moved from Juventus to Inter Milan.

Mourinho success in borrowing Lukaku from Chelsea is not just luck, I think the situation is mutually beneficial for both parties. Lukaku wants to continue playing at European level, and Roma needs a striker. On the other hand, Chelsea wants to let Lukaku go because it is no longer part of Pochettino plans, it makes sense I think if we call it mutual benefit.

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Quote from: Strongkored on September 20, 2023, 02:01:39 AM

It may be true that the crushing defeat a few days earlier had quite an impact on the mentality of AC Milan's players, but as a team that has enough experience in the Champions League, that shouldn't have happened and AC Milan had wasted a good opportunity to get 3 points from a team that was doubtful of being able to take points from them, especially this is a home game for AC Milan and also their opponents in the domestic league are not in good condition so they are really disadvantaged by this draw.
This Saturday they will face Verona, they should be able to play well again to get points, especially since AC Milan are very favorites to win and getting 3 points at San Siro should not be an obstacle when the opponent is Hellas Verona.

Exactly they're in a better position to turn the game around after the 1st half and win the match because of their good experience in the champions league, the match against Newcastle should had been an easy winning and they've shouldn't have wasted lots of chances that would given them an advantage to win, the fact that they're playing in the presence of their fans alone should be a very big advantage,i feel maybe they've not really recovered from the heavy defeat they faced against Inter that's why their attackers failed to utilise their good chances.

However their match against Verona this weekend is a walk over for them and i thinķ Verona would suffer against Milan at home, i expect them to win with a good number of goals in the match, Verona doesn't stand a chance against them and the odds highly favours Milan to win the match.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on September 19, 2023, 11:57:12 PM

I think the big defeat in the Derby match against Inter Milan had a big impact on AC Milan's performance, and what they experienced in the opening UCL match was quite detrimental for the AC Milan team.
Newcastle's performance was actually not good but AC Milan failed to take advantage of it, especially AC MIlan's front line who played very badly.
For a long time, the problem with the AC Milan team was that they were unable to maintain consistency and they often made mistakes in several important matches.

It may be true that the crushing defeat a few days earlier had quite an impact on the mentality of AC Milan's players, but as a team that has enough experience in the Champions League, that shouldn't have happened and AC Milan had wasted a good opportunity to get 3 points from a team that was doubtful of being able to take points from them, especially this is a home game for AC Milan and also their opponents in the domestic league are not in good condition so they are really disadvantaged by this draw.
This Saturday they will face Verona, they should be able to play well again to get points, especially since AC Milan are very favorites to win and getting 3 points at San Siro should not be an obstacle when the opponent is Hellas Verona.

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Quote from: len01 on September 19, 2023, 11:16:29 PM

Quote from: giammangiato on September 19, 2023, 01:35:07 PM

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Yes Jose is a great coach, he is rude but good.

Empoli defeat with a score of 7-0 is very humiliating and clearly highlights the importance of a solid defense in football. A real defence.

A robust defense is essential to protect your goal and limit your opponents opportunities to score. Empoli go mad with Roma play and without an effective defense, a team risks conceding goals frequently, and it happen for total 7.

I think that Empoli seriously risks going to Serie B if they dont reverse the trend.

Mourinho is an experienced coach who has contributed to other teams with very perfect achievements and currently Mourinho has a new challenge to bring Roma to a better place which is more worthy of improving the performance of his players who should be more solid as you said. even if the victory against Empoli was not very impressive because Empoli was only a weak team, at least with this big score, Roma was able to feel proud of their good achievement in yesterday match.
with yesterday match I became more convinced that it was time for Mourinho to contribute his best strategy to relieve this bad performance.

He's just an overpaid lucky man who can't do anything
he only has the name that he uses to get paid and to convince some chicken who still thinks he is good
the Lukaku deal too, just luck. Juventus didn't want to conclude by also taking money, other teams avoided him because the fans were against it so they were able to sign him (I remember it's a loan)
So better luck than that, really.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on September 19, 2023, 09:03:47 PM

And in the UCL match against Newcastle, I actually saw AC Milan still playing quite well. It's just that the sharpness of AC Milan's attack line has indeed decreased. Or maybe it happened as a result of Newcastle's strong defense. In essence, I don't see any serious problems occurring with the AC Milan squad. And I'm sure AC Milan will still be in the race for the title in Serie A.

The loss to inter Milan by AC Milan did affected their mentality as it was a huge one which could not be allowed to slide, it did played out in their style of play suggesting they are yet to fully recover from it, I think like you rightly said a win to boost their mentality is very much needed, as it will really go a long way to improve their performance in subsequent games , this is what the coach should note.

In the UCL game they had a good opponent so I wasn't expecting much considering that they are also seen as an average team in their league. UCL is a league which should be approached with a different style as you encounter people from different leagues where they are said to be champions and they also put out only their best of which if you approach with a regular style of play it may not be rewarding.

Newcastle has not been in the UCL for a long period of time so I don't expect them to mess things up, they obviously want to make the best use of this privilege after over a decade of been absent in the league, but then AC Milan didn't put up a really bad performance at the UCL opening, I am very optimistic they might perform better in their subsequent UCL games.

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Quote from: borovichok on September 19, 2023, 09:56:20 PM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on September 19, 2023, 05:00:40 PM

AC Milan is not in bad form and I can't understand why some people think after the game they lost against Inter Milan, and because of the results they got in that game we should say AC Milan is in danger.
AC Milan is still racing on top of the table in Serie A which is good enough for them, also they got a 0-0 result against Newcaslte while we know Newcaslte is not a weak team.,
Regarding the game between Inter Milan and AC Milan, we should not forget some layers in AC Milan were in bad form and injured.

AC Milan flop against Inter Milan and conceded 5 goals because of the blunders they committed in the game. Most gamblers used this medium to predict in favour of Newcastle, everyone was shocked by the superb performance portrayed by these Stefano Pioli men, they actually missed out on big chances specifically pointing to Rafael Leao and Olivier Giroud, perhaps they did their best. Newcastle boss, Eddie Howe got a good results at San Siro in the opening R1. It's definitely not easy to watch EPL club competiting with an elite team in Seria A and holding them to a draw points means improvement on the side of the magpies.

I think the big defeat in the Derby match against Inter Milan had a big impact on AC Milan's performance, and what they experienced in the opening UCL match was quite detrimental for the AC Milan team.
Newcastle's performance was actually not good but AC Milan failed to take advantage of it, especially AC MIlan's front line who played very badly.
For a long time, the problem with the AC Milan team was that they were unable to maintain consistency and they often made mistakes in several important matches.

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Quote from: Raflesia on September 19, 2023, 06:45:36 PM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on September 19, 2023, 06:27:10 PM

This time Jose Mourinho got what wanted to get.
Jose Mourinho is a great coach for any team but in the last season he didn't have a player to fill Dybala's place when he got injured and that's why this team couldn't have the good performance we were expecting to see from them in Europe League, but this time they got Lukaku in their teams. However, I think Lukaku is not in good form and made many mistakes this summer but I'm sure this palyer can help Roma in this season.

Roma this week did play very well and I like the performance they put in this week but on the other hand don't let this become a condition where they are complacent because this week's match may not apply to them next week if they are complacent. Now, especially if you look at the current schedule, they definitely have to rotate so that the players don't experience fatigue and the worst possibility of injury because they also have to prepare to face Sherif in the Europa Legaue with a gap of 2 days.

I still hope for a good finish from them in the next match so that I can be sure they can be able to compete again at least for the Europa League next season.

Roma game has always improved quite quickly but this is not the time for them to relax and celebrate their previous victory because there is still a long way to go and Mourinho will continue to encourage his players to get better and develop even more significantly because for almost 3 seasons Mourinho has been very successful slowly returning Roma performance.

In the Europa League group stage match it was actually not difficult for Roma to beat Sherif even though they only had a gap of a few days because Sherif was not a team that could be said to be very strong so Mourinho and his players could be sure of winning that match.

Yes there will still be a big chance for Roma to survive and return to being a team that can qualify for the final like last season.

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Quote from: giammangiato on September 19, 2023, 01:35:07 PM

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Yes Jose is a great coach, he is rude but good.

Empoli defeat with a score of 7-0 is very humiliating and clearly highlights the importance of a solid defense in football. A real defence.

A robust defense is essential to protect your goal and limit your opponents opportunities to score. Empoli go mad with Roma play and without an effective defense, a team risks conceding goals frequently, and it happen for total 7.

I think that Empoli seriously risks going to Serie B if they dont reverse the trend.

Mourinho is an experienced coach who has contributed to other teams with very perfect achievements and currently Mourinho has a new challenge to bring Roma to a better place which is more worthy of improving the performance of his players who should be more solid as you said. even if the victory against Empoli was not very impressive because Empoli was only a weak team, at least with this big score, Roma was able to feel proud of their good achievement in yesterday match.
with yesterday match I became more convinced that it was time for Mourinho to contribute his best strategy to relieve this bad performance.

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