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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on December 09, 2024, 07:32:33 AM

Ranks 1 to 5 currently all have points that are not much different. So indeed one match can change the situation and change the ranking position quickly. And yes, this shows that the level of difficulty this season is increasingly different in Serie A, which is increasingly fierce. And it's different from previous seasons which were always a bit boring where 1 club usually dominated from start to finish. But that doesn't seem to be the case this season. because Napoli, who initially looked like they would dominate, apparently also failed to maintain their 1st place ranking. And now Atalanta has succeeded in winning first place with 34 points.

Napoli's defeat by Lazio was actually beyond my predictions. Because I initially thought Napoli would win because they were also the hosts of the match. But well the result was completely different from what I expected.

and it shows how much improvement has happened to the teams in serie A this season, usually we only see 1 or 2 teams dominating the league until mid-season but instead this season there are 6 teams competing tightly and still have a chance to win the scudetto, so indeed every match will be very crucial at this time.
Napoli managed to surprise us at the beginning of the season with their consistency but instead Conte squad began to lose often losing points which made them fail to maintain their position at the top of the standings.

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Quote from: hyudien on December 09, 2024, 08:15:17 AM

Napoli started to lose their balance since they led the early season standings and now we are entering the middle so Napoli dropped to be replaced by Atalanta. Since Napoli was in Conte hands, they have experienced significant growth but it is not enough to ensure a long-term stay. Lukaku is Conte mainstay goal machine but remember he is getting older and his productivity will not be ideal. Besides that Inter and Fiorentina have 1 match left, if one of them gets 3 points it means Napoli has the opportunity to be eliminated from the top 4 of Serie A.

I'd like to know how you calculated that. Even if both Inter and Fiorentina won their game in hand (which can't happen since the game in hand is literally a game between these clubs) Napoli would fall to 4th place, but not lower.
At the moment Napoli's problem is their attack - they score very few goals, they are the worst in the top 7 in this indicator.

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Quote from: hyudien on December 09, 2024, 08:15:17 AM

Quote from: Arenga pinnata on December 09, 2024, 07:32:33 AM

Ranks 1 to 5 currently all have points that are not much different. So indeed one match can change the situation and change the ranking position quickly. And yes, this shows that the level of difficulty this season is increasingly different in Serie A, which is increasingly fierce. And it's different from previous seasons which were always a bit boring where 1 club usually dominated from start to finish. But that doesn't seem to be the case this season. because Napoli, who initially looked like they would dominate, apparently also failed to maintain their 1st place ranking. And now Atalanta has succeeded in winning first place with 34 points.

Napoli's defeat by Lazio was actually beyond my predictions. Because I initially thought Napoli would win because they were also the hosts of the match. But well the result was completely different from what I expected.

Napoli started to lose their balance since they led the early season standings and now we are entering the middle so Napoli dropped to be replaced by Atalanta. Since Napoli was in Conte hands, they have experienced significant growth but it is not enough to ensure a long-term stay. Lukaku is Conte mainstay goal machine but remember he is getting older and his productivity will not be ideal. Besides that Inter and Fiorentina have 1 match left, if one of them gets 3 points it means Napoli has the opportunity to be eliminated from the top 4 of Serie A.

Yes, you are right, if one of these teams, namely Inter Milan or Fiorentina, manages to collect full points in the postponed match, it will make Napoli drop in ranking. But fortunately Inter Milan's postponed match is against Fiorentina. So only one of them will get full points or share points. That way, Napoli will probably only drop to 3rd place.

There is only one match remaining this week, namely Monza vs Udinese. For Monza, this match is a match that they really have to win so that they can get out of the relegation zone and maybe move up to 16th place. But it doesn't feel like beating Udinese will be easy. Even with the Monza team's record of only getting 1 win this season, we will be very doubtful about this team. But Monza has the home advantage in this match. So surprises could happen in this match.

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Quote from: Arenga pinnata on December 09, 2024, 07:32:33 AM

Ranks 1 to 5 currently all have points that are not much different. So indeed one match can change the situation and change the ranking position quickly. And yes, this shows that the level of difficulty this season is increasingly different in Serie A, which is increasingly fierce. And it's different from previous seasons which were always a bit boring where 1 club usually dominated from start to finish. But that doesn't seem to be the case this season. because Napoli, who initially looked like they would dominate, apparently also failed to maintain their 1st place ranking. And now Atalanta has succeeded in winning first place with 34 points.

Napoli's defeat by Lazio was actually beyond my predictions. Because I initially thought Napoli would win because they were also the hosts of the match. But well the result was completely different from what I expected.

Napoli started to lose their balance since they led the early season standings and now we are entering the middle so Napoli dropped to be replaced by Atalanta. Since Napoli was in Conte hands, they have experienced significant growth but it is not enough to ensure a long-term stay. Lukaku is Conte mainstay goal machine but remember he is getting older and his productivity will not be ideal. Besides that Inter and Fiorentina have 1 match left, if one of them gets 3 points it means Napoli has the opportunity to be eliminated from the top 4 of Serie A.

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Quote from: MusaMohamed on December 09, 2024, 07:15:36 AM

Both Napoli and Lazio did not start this season with their plans of winning Scudetto, and even Napoli played better than Lazio since the season beginning and are participating in Scudetto competition with other clubs, I guess they are competing with each other for Top four too.

Result of a single match isn't enough to prove Napoli or Lazio are stronger, but this match signals something for Napoli that maybe they will eventually not be strong enough for Scudetto in this season. They can aim at Scudetto but if with time, they have to reduce their target to only Top Four, I am not surprised too much. I think the same for Lazio, as they will hardly be able to win Scudetto in 2024 - 2025 season.

Both Napoli and Lazio didn't have a fulfilled season in 2023/2024. The former who was the defending Champions ended last season in tenth position, while the latter had a better performance when they finished last year's campaign in seventh position.

But Napoli was prepared for this season so I wouldn't agree with you that they don't have intention to win the Scudetto. They brought in a new coach and some players to fortify the team and we're having a good time this season. It is sad that they had to lose the top position to Atalanta. But it's not strange because La Dea is currently the most organized club in the Seria A. Maybe we might end up having an underdog as the champions.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on December 09, 2024, 07:04:34 AM

1 goal that nested into Napoli's goal was enough for Lazio to bring home full points and ensure that they became a barrier for Napoli to return to the top of the standings. The match was so tight, it showed that both clubs competing did not want to lose points, but Lazio managed to beat the host. There were not many golden opportunities created, but Lazio managed to take advantage of one of their open opportunities into a goal. This result makes the competition even tighter where there are still many possibilities that can happen, and one match is enough to change their position in the standings.

Ranks 1 to 5 currently all have points that are not much different. So indeed one match can change the situation and change the ranking position quickly. And yes, this shows that the level of difficulty this season is increasingly different in Serie A, which is increasingly fierce. And it's different from previous seasons which were always a bit boring where 1 club usually dominated from start to finish. But that doesn't seem to be the case this season. because Napoli, who initially looked like they would dominate, apparently also failed to maintain their 1st place ranking. And now Atalanta has succeeded in winning first place with 34 points.

Napoli's defeat by Lazio was actually beyond my predictions. Because I initially thought Napoli would win because they were also the hosts of the match. But well the result was completely different from what I expected.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on December 09, 2024, 07:04:34 AM

1 goal that nested into Napoli's goal was enough for Lazio to bring home full points and ensure that they became a barrier for Napoli to return to the top of the standings. The match was so tight, it showed that both clubs competing did not want to lose points, but Lazio managed to beat the host. There were not many golden opportunities created, but Lazio managed to take advantage of one of their open opportunities into a goal. This result makes the competition even tighter where there are still many possibilities that can happen, and one match is enough to change their position in the standings.

Both Napoli and Lazio did not start this season with their plans of winning Scudetto, and even Napoli played better than Lazio since the season beginning and are participating in Scudetto competition with other clubs, I guess they are competing with each other for Top four too.

Result of a single match isn't enough to prove Napoli or Lazio are stronger, but this match signals something for Napoli that maybe they will eventually not be strong enough for Scudetto in this season. They can aim at Scudetto but if with time, they have to reduce their target to only Top Four, I am not surprised too much. I think the same for Lazio, as they will hardly be able to win Scudetto in 2024 - 2025 season.

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Quote from: RaltcoinsB on December 09, 2024, 06:43:54 AM

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Napoli were forced to admit defeat to Lazio after suffering their second defeat to Lazio in four days, having previously lost 3-1 to Lazio in the last 16 of the Coppa Italia, knocking them out of the competition. Isaksen only goal saw Lazio take home three points from Napoli's home ground. Napoli had to surrender the top of the standings to Atalanta who played against Milan first, now the competition in positions 1 to 5 is getting tighter because the points difference is very small. Napoli still has the opportunity to regain first place because the competition is still very long, anything can happen because there are still many matches that have not been played.

Yes, Napoli has a chance to take back the lead, but to tell the truth, other teams in the Italian league can easily find Napoli's weaknesses by looking at the two matches they played with Lazio. Lazio has studied Napoli's weaknesses well. The fact that they won both matches proves this to us. As far as we can see, the competition in the Italian league will be at a high level this year. There is no favorite for the championship. However, when it comes to the candidates, five candidates are currently competing for the championship. The points are very close to each other and the league is on fire.

1 goal that nested into Napoli's goal was enough for Lazio to bring home full points and ensure that they became a barrier for Napoli to return to the top of the standings. The match was so tight, it showed that both clubs competing did not want to lose points, but Lazio managed to beat the host. There were not many golden opportunities created, but Lazio managed to take advantage of one of their open opportunities into a goal. This result makes the competition even tighter where there are still many possibilities that can happen, and one match is enough to change their position in the standings.

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Napoli have lost their previous matches against Lazio and this match is also a pity for Napoli. It is interesting that the team that is currently at the top of the table and has played the best but has not won a match against Lazio this season. In Serie A, Lazio is not performing well against all the other teams but they are strong against Napoli, maybe it is their confidence. When Lazio enters the field against Napoli, maybe their confidence will come back and they will win and they will play strong accordingly.

Napoli were forced to admit defeat to Lazio after suffering their second defeat to Lazio in four days, having previously lost 3-1 to Lazio in the last 16 of the Coppa Italia, knocking them out of the competition. Isaksen only goal saw Lazio take home three points from Napoli's home ground. Napoli had to surrender the top of the standings to Atalanta who played against Milan first, now the competition in positions 1 to 5 is getting tighter because the points difference is very small. Napoli still has the opportunity to regain first place because the competition is still very long, anything can happen because there are still many matches that have not been played.

Yes, Napoli has a chance to take back the lead, but to tell the truth, other teams in the Italian league can easily find Napoli's weaknesses by looking at the two matches they played with Lazio. Lazio has studied Napoli's weaknesses well. The fact that they won both matches proves this to us. As far as we can see, the competition in the Italian league will be at a high level this year. There is no favorite for the championship. However, when it comes to the candidates, five candidates are currently competing for the championship. The points are very close to each other and the league is on fire.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 08, 2024, 11:22:06 PM

It really sucks I lost my bet because of the Napoli vs Lazio match result. I thought both teams were equally strong and there would most likely be more than 2 goals in this match, but it turned out that Napoli couldn't score and had to suffer defeat at home. This defeat made Napoli's position shift to second place and Atalanta temporarily led the standings. The competition between the top five clubs still looks very tight. The points difference between them is very thin, which makes the standings position will still change.

From the point of view of a bettor, shouldn't you consider H2H statistics?
I mean, seeing the performance of the two teams currently has almost similar performance and while from Head to Head, Lazio has a greater advantage because it can always defeat Napoli.
As I recall, in the match Napoli were favorite by the bookmakers and if you choose to bet on a double chance draw or Lazio, surely your bet will win.

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Quote from: SmartCharpa on December 09, 2024, 05:54:00 AM

Napoli's performance was quite disappointing, despite being eliminated by Lazio in the Coppa Italian, I do not expect them to lose in the Seria A again. Conte has lately lost form, a team competing for a title does not have to lose games in a row. Napoli lost at home, which is very disappointing for their supporters. They were eliminated by the same club in the Coppa Italian, and I expected Napoli to understand Lazio's style of play and win the Seria A game at home. However, I wasn't expecting many goals in this game because Lazio was able to beat Napoli in the Coppa Italian, but I believe Napoli will win the game, even by a single goal.

Furthermore, I checked their previous five matches and discovered that Napoli has yet to defeat Lazio, it is clear that Lazio has had a good record against Napoli over the last two seasons. Due to Lazio's victory against Napoli, Atalanta stays at the head of the league, the Seria A is getting more interesting this season; and a reminder that Inter Milan and Fiorentina have a missing match, if one of them wins, they will have the same points as Atalanta.

I didn't like how Napoli played, Lazio dominated half of the first half and especially the second half, I thought that Napoli would be able to play better at home, and after the cup match I wanted them to take revenge, but instead they lost again and thus allowed Atalanta to lead the table. I least expected to see Atalanta at the top of the table after a third of the season, Inter and Fiorentina can still match Atalanta in points, but they will not be able to overtake them in goal difference.

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Quote from: Weawant on December 09, 2024, 05:55:23 AM

Napoli ordinarily should have had almost two goals in this game and their performance was really good such that they would have been able to really get a goal or two but it turned out that combined both teams couldn't produce two goals, this is the kind of uncertainties that comes with having two big teams in a fixture, there could be some level of resistance that will make the influx of goals be at minimum, such was in the case of this game but for lazio they got three points and that was all that mattered to them.

It's not a good match and good result for Napoli but it does not cost them Scudetto. They only temporarily lost the first position to Atalanta after this week but they can get it back in future. Atalanta are making big surprise like Napoli in Serie A, but if Napoli could lose their excellent form, Atalanta might lose it in their coming matches too.

Lazio is another surprise in Serie A this season, to be honest, because they sold their star players recent seasons and they began this season with not too high expectation from their fans. Serie A in general, is very exciting in this season with many clubs are participating in Scudetto competition and hence top four race among them is interesting too.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 08, 2024, 11:22:06 PM

It really sucks I lost my bet because of the Napoli vs Lazio match result. I thought both teams were equally strong and there would most likely be more than 2 goals in this match, but it turned out that Napoli couldn't score and had to suffer defeat at home. This defeat made Napoli's position shift to second place and Atalanta temporarily led the standings. The competition between the top five clubs still looks very tight. The points difference between them is very thin, which makes the standings position will still change.

Napoli ordinarily should have had almost two goals in this game and their performance was really good such that they would have been able to really get a goal or two but it turned out that combined both teams couldn't produce two goals, this is the kind of uncertainties that comes with having two big teams in a fixture, there could be some level of resistance that will make the influx of goals be at minimum, such was in the case of this game but for lazio they got three points and that was all that mattered to them.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 08, 2024, 11:22:06 PM

It really sucks I lost my bet because of the Napoli vs Lazio match result. I thought both teams were equally strong and there would most likely be more than 2 goals in this match, but it turned out that Napoli couldn't score and had to suffer defeat at home. This defeat made Napoli's position shift to second place and Atalanta temporarily led the standings. The competition between the top five clubs still looks very tight. The points difference between them is very thin, which makes the standings position will still change.

Napoli's performance was quite disappointing, despite being eliminated by Lazio in the Coppa Italian, I do not expect them to lose in the Seria A again. Conte has lately lost form, a team competing for a title does not have to lose games in a row. Napoli lost at home, which is very disappointing for their supporters. They were eliminated by the same club in the Coppa Italian, and I expected Napoli to understand Lazio's style of play and win the Seria A game at home. However, I wasn't expecting many goals in this game because Lazio was able to beat Napoli in the Coppa Italian, but I believe Napoli will win the game, even by a single goal.

Furthermore, I checked their previous five matches and discovered that Napoli has yet to defeat Lazio, it is clear that Lazio has had a good record against Napoli over the last two seasons. Due to Lazio's victory against Napoli, Atalanta stays at the head of the league, the Seria A is getting more interesting this season; and a reminder that Inter Milan and Fiorentina have a missing match, if one of them wins, they will have the same points as Atalanta.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 09, 2024, 04:55:16 AM

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Napoli just lost again versus Lazio 2 times in a week.
Fun and strange fact, at the moment the leader of Serie A is Atalanta, and Fiorentina can catch them up if they wins the missing game.
What a crazy year so far in serie A.

Another crazy fact at the moment the projection to be 4th at the end of the season is 84 point, unbelievable.

It will decrese for sure, usually they need around 70 point.s

12 shots and below 1.00 xG... What a mess for Napoli! Sad

I don't know how but Lazio are really good against them away in the recent years. I thought this might change under Conte's management maybe but it didn't. By the way Napoli score much less than the teams around them in the standings. This isn't good at all unless they win all their games like 1-0 or so.

When it comes to the 84 points for the 4th position theory, it seems quite unreal to me honestly. But if such thing happens it would be a historical season that's for sure. Tongue

Lazio was not as good as you said, they were so damn lucky being carried away by Pedro. This 37 years old winger is still performing like he was 31 years old.

I must also admit that if Napoli is underperforming now. They often played defensively instead of give intensive pressure combined with counter attack. It makes me thing that if Napoli's pattern changed. Conte should have ordered his players to fully focus on offensive strategy.

It's really disappointed me.

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Quote from: G_Besar on December 09, 2024, 03:47:15 AM

Quote from: Frankolala on December 08, 2024, 04:51:59 PM

Napoli has fallen off from the first position as they could no longer keep to their consistency. Isaksen goal on the 79th minutes swept Napoli off their feet as they couldn't equalize the goal till the match ended, because Lazio defended the goal till the end to enable them walk away with three points from Diego Maradona Stadium. The farther till league gets, the tougher it becomes and only the strong will survive.

With Napoli's defeat in the match, of course, it has increased the level of difficulty in the competition for points in the standings because Lazio, who have played their fifteenth week, have also been able to collect 31 points which are generally the same as Fiorentina and Inter Milan even though the two teams have not played their fifteenth week match this season. But Lazio is currently no longer far behind Napoli and also Atalanta who are currently at the top of the Serie A standings.

Lazio really became a nightmare for Napoli, unexpectedly Lukaku and his colleagues would lose in two meetings, and now Napoli must give up the top of the standings to be taken over by Atalanta. Inter Milan and Fiorentina have the opportunity to overtake Napoli position, their previous match had to be postponed due to Edoardo Bove medical emergency incident.
It must be admitted that the competition in the top four of the Serie A standings this season is more competitive, Juventus and AC Milan even seem to have difficulty penetrating the Champions League zone. Fiorentina and Lazio are dark horses this season, and the most impressive is Atalanta performance, Gasperini deserves praise for his team slick performance. His decision to stay so far seems to be the right one, he knows very well the quality and bargaining value of his team.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 08, 2024, 05:07:35 PM

Napoli just lost again versus Lazio 2 times in a week.
Fun and strange fact, at the moment the leader of Serie A is Atalanta, and Fiorentina can catch them up if they wins the missing game.
What a crazy year so far in serie A.

Another crazy fact at the moment the projection to be 4th at the end of the season is 84 point, unbelievable.

It will decrese for sure, usually they need around 70 point.s

12 shots and below 1.00 xG... What a mess for Napoli! Sad

I don't know how but Lazio are really good against them away in the recent years. I thought this might change under Conte's management maybe but it didn't. By the way Napoli score much less than the teams around them in the standings. This isn't good at all unless they win all their games like 1-0 or so.

When it comes to the 84 points for the 4th position theory, it seems quite unreal to me honestly. But if such thing happens it would be a historical season that's for sure. Tongue

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Quote from: tusandii on December 08, 2024, 11:22:06 PM

It really sucks I lost my bet because of the Napoli vs Lazio match result. I thought both teams were equally strong and there would most likely be more than 2 goals in this match, but it turned out that Napoli couldn't score and had to suffer defeat at home. This defeat made Napoli's position shift to second place and Atalanta temporarily led the standings. The competition between the top five clubs still looks very tight. The points difference between them is very thin, which makes the standings position will still change.

It was clear from the start of the match that Conte was focused on playing defensively, and such matches often end with a small number of goals, or even no goals. I also thought about playing for total in this match, but after the first half I changed my mind. Although the teams tried to create dangerous moments in attack, it very rarely came to shots on target. It was a surprise to me that Lazio won this match, but they were focused on attacking more from the very beginning of the match, fortune favors the brave.

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Quote from: tusandii on December 08, 2024, 11:22:06 PM

It really sucks I lost my bet because of the Napoli vs Lazio match result. I thought both teams were equally strong and there would most likely be more than 2 goals in this match, but it turned out that Napoli couldn't score and had to suffer defeat at home. This defeat made Napoli's position shift to second place and Atalanta temporarily led the standings. The competition between the top five clubs still looks very tight. The points difference between them is very thin, which makes the standings position will still change.

The highest I expect in that match was a draw with a least a goal from both teams. Lazio played a much better ball than Napoli. Can't believe they lose to the same team in less than a week away and at home. The coach is probably not reading opponent style of play or probably playing without any strategy. The victory for Lazio in the Copa Italia motivate their action yesterday and the result was visible. Napoli is not longer the same as they were in a few weeks back.

After Thursday's game, I expected Napoli to be more hungry and aggressively demanding for the three points but they look distracted as if they participate in five competitions. They don't longer counter attack as usual and Lukaku is still indifferent. They are sterile in attack and create little chances and then failed to take advantage of cross kicks. Sorry about your loss thou.

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Quote from: Frankolala on December 08, 2024, 04:51:59 PM

Napoli has fallen off from the first position as they could no longer keep to their consistency. Isaksen goal on the 79th minutes swept Napoli off their feet as they couldn't equalize the goal till the match ended, because Lazio defended the goal till the end to enable them walk away with three points from Diego Maradona Stadium. The farther till league gets, the tougher it becomes and only the strong will survive.

With Napoli's defeat in the match, of course, it has increased the level of difficulty in the competition for points in the standings because Lazio, who have played their fifteenth week, have also been able to collect 31 points which are generally the same as Fiorentina and Inter Milan even though the two teams have not played their fifteenth week match this season. But Lazio is currently no longer far behind Napoli and also Atalanta who are currently at the top of the Serie A standings.

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