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Quote from: masulum on October 02, 2019, 10:41:23 PM

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As the representative of Serie A won the UCL match this week, while Intermilan suffered defeat against Barcelona, Napoli only got a draw against the club Genk and also Atalanta suffered defeat against Shakhtar.

Atalanta will be hard to play at UCL for this season. But, I see them still good on domestic league. In serie-A, they can beat Roma, draw with Fiorentina and become on 3rd place until match day 6, I think Atalanta would be better for the next season in UCL if they are qualified again. But, they must keep their best performance until last season on serie-a. So, for this season, I think Atalanta doesn't have a chance to be on the next round. 9 points to save their chance in the next round, Antalanta must keep winning for 3 matches.

The draw for Napoli was the frustrating for me. Not only I lose my bet for them, the 4th team on current Serie A drew to the 7th team of Belgian league. The KRC Genk have no good record of playing in Champions league but when they do, they have a good record of playing a draw with good teams.

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Quote from: masulum on October 02, 2019, 10:41:23 PM

Quote from: rizkyrz on October 02, 2019, 06:53:59 PM

As the representative of Serie A won the UCL match this week, while Intermilan suffered defeat against Barcelona, Napoli only got a draw against the club Genk and also Atalanta suffered defeat against Shakhtar.

Atalanta will be hard to play at UCL for this season. But, I see them still good on domestic league. In serie-A, they can beat Roma, draw with Fiorentina and become on 3rd place until match day 6, I think Atalanta would be better for the next season in UCL if they are qualified again. But, they must keep their best performance until last season on serie-a. So, for this season, I think Atalanta doesn't have a chance to be on the next round. 9 points to save their chance in the next round, Antalanta must keep winning for 3 matches.

Atalanta doesn't have a lot of game experience at UCL so it would be very natural if they had difficulties. but, there are still a few more matches and if they are able to play optimally and win the match then they have the chance to go to the next stage.

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Quote from: rizkyrz on October 02, 2019, 06:53:59 PM

As the representative of Serie A won the UCL match this week, while Intermilan suffered defeat against Barcelona, Napoli only got a draw against the club Genk and also Atalanta suffered defeat against Shakhtar.

Atalanta will be hard to play at UCL for this season. But, I see them still good on domestic league. In serie-A, they can beat Roma, draw with Fiorentina and become on 3rd place until match day 6, I think Atalanta would be better for the next season in UCL if they are qualified again. But, they must keep their best performance until last season on serie-a. So, for this season, I think Atalanta doesn't have a chance to be on the next round. 9 points to save their chance in the next round, Antalanta must keep winning for 3 matches.

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As the representative of Serie A won the UCL match this week, while Intermilan suffered defeat against Barcelona, Napoli only got a draw against the club Genk and also Atalanta suffered defeat against Shakhtar.

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Sheva declined the "hidden" offer from Milan "I love Milan but now I stay" he what he said.
Anyway, if the next match Milan will lose, they probably will change the coach.

For Inter-Juve, Lukaku maybe needs to skip the match.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on October 02, 2019, 10:34:42 AM

@coinlocket$ Do you know any websites that offer AC Milan manager odds? I'd like to see what the bookies are predicting, but I have yet to find one with AC Milan, I keep seeing the same old teams that are doing ten times better than Milan right now (Real Madrid, Spurs, Barcelona, etc).

Quote from: swogerino on October 02, 2019, 04:49:28 AM

It is not the manager fault,Milan has not the quality players once it had and with this composition of players will have quite some difficulties to perform well against other teams in Serie A,losing almost every game in this beginning is not a good sign either.

It is, actually. With Gattuso the team was doing way better. The AC Milan board bought every single player Giampolo wanted on his new team and yet the results are horrendous, even though it's almost the exact same team that Gattuso had (minus Zapata, Cutrone, and some others).

I think that the manager should be given some time to work on the current team.
Even if one player leaves the club, the squad performs totally different. And in my opinion Cutrone was one of the most crucial players for Milan in the previous year.

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Quote from: rizkyrz on October 02, 2019, 07:56:50 AM

Quote from: swogerino on October 02, 2019, 04:49:28 AM

Quote from: masulum on October 02, 2019, 04:28:23 AM

Quote from: Barracuda on October 01, 2019, 06:07:04 AM

Marco Giampaolo really needs a lot of time. Because he has just coached AC Milan this season, so it is unethical to be replaced because of the poor results experienced by AC Milan's squad.

If that needs to be done "changing coaches" are there 4 potential candidates to replace Marco Giampaolo:

1. Andriy Shevchenko
2. Arsene Wenger
3. Rudi Garcia
4. Claudio Ranieri

We never know who deserves it, but it's better to give Marco Giampaolo more time to build AC Milan to be even better.

Maybe hard to AC Milan staying with Giampaolo, As we know, AC Milan need to back to Champions League, Gatusso was doing something different last season.

About candidates to replace Giampaolo as manager, I prefer to Arsene Wenger on the pole, and Ranieri as option 2. And Rudi Garcia as option 3. Shevchenko was great as players, but I don't know his capability as manager.

It is not the manager fault,Milan has not the quality players once it had and with this composition of players will have quite some difficulties to perform well against other teams in Serie A,losing almost every game in this beginning is not a good sign either.

Milan has quality players, managers do not have a good strategy to fight a big team in Serie A. It is proper for managers who cannot give achievements or have the potential to bring a better club to be replaced.

I do not know which is correct. The player or manager to blame for AC Milan's poor draw. To be sure AC Milan must change and rise from this downturn, if you want to remain in Serie A. Now the Italian league competition is not just Juventus alone, other clubs are still competing. So ready, not ready, they must accept this reality.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 02, 2019, 04:49:28 AM

It is not the manager fault,Milan has not the quality players once it had and with this composition of players will have quite some difficulties to perform well against other teams in Serie A,losing almost every game in this beginning is not a good sign either.

When AC Milan under Anchelotti, I think it's not his fault. Because most of players to old and another team starting to bring young players. Falling under Allegri, it happens because AC Milan selling best players, it's not his fault. Gattuso brings something new for AC Milan players, he is friendly managers for all players. Bring positive culture for AC Milan and players playing with respect, like he was influence of young AC Milan players. Something was Giampaolo not have. In my opinion, Giampaolo, Inzaghi, Brocchi, it's look like same managers who don't have ability to manage AC Milan players.

In recent rumors I read, Gattuso will be back to AC Milan with one condition to get powers to buy players as he wants.

Quote from: https://www.acmilaninfo.com/gattuso-ac-milan-return/

Gennaro Gattuso would only take into consideration an offer only if it arrives directly from Elliot. Gattuso resigned this summer after the club failed to accept his demands regarding the transfer targets he wanted to sign.

Let see next week, who will be the next manager of AC Milan, giving Giampaolo more times or new manager come .

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on October 02, 2019, 10:34:42 AM

Quote from: swogerino on October 02, 2019, 04:49:28 AM

It is not the manager fault,Milan has not the quality players once it had and with this composition of players will have quite some difficulties to perform well against other teams in Serie A,losing almost every game in this beginning is not a good sign either.

It is, actually. With Gattuso the team was doing way better. The AC Milan board bought every single player Giampolo wanted on his new team and yet the results are horrendous, even though it's almost the exact same team that Gattuso had (minus Zapata, Cutrone, and some others).

I believe that the blame on their current form and failure is all due to the fact that Gattuso decided to leave just because he couldn't qualify them for the Champions League last season, Solksjaer couldn't do it for Manchester United and he is still there. Now AC Milan is worse than when Gattuso even took over and he still had 24 months left on this contract when he left.

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@coinlocket$ Do you know any websites that offer AC Milan manager odds? I'd like to see what the bookies are predicting, but I have yet to find one with AC Milan, I keep seeing the same old teams that are doing ten times better than Milan right now (Real Madrid, Spurs, Barcelona, etc).

Quote from: swogerino on October 02, 2019, 04:49:28 AM

It is not the manager fault,Milan has not the quality players once it had and with this composition of players will have quite some difficulties to perform well against other teams in Serie A,losing almost every game in this beginning is not a good sign either.

It is, actually. With Gattuso the team was doing way better. The AC Milan board bought every single player Giampolo wanted on his new team and yet the results are horrendous, even though it's almost the exact same team that Gattuso had (minus Zapata, Cutrone, and some others).

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Quote from: swogerino on October 02, 2019, 04:49:28 AM

Quote from: masulum on October 02, 2019, 04:28:23 AM

Quote from: Barracuda on October 01, 2019, 06:07:04 AM

Marco Giampaolo really needs a lot of time. Because he has just coached AC Milan this season, so it is unethical to be replaced because of the poor results experienced by AC Milan's squad.

If that needs to be done "changing coaches" are there 4 potential candidates to replace Marco Giampaolo:

1. Andriy Shevchenko
2. Arsene Wenger
3. Rudi Garcia
4. Claudio Ranieri

We never know who deserves it, but it's better to give Marco Giampaolo more time to build AC Milan to be even better.

Maybe hard to AC Milan staying with Giampaolo, As we know, AC Milan need to back to Champions League, Gatusso was doing something different last season.

About candidates to replace Giampaolo as manager, I prefer to Arsene Wenger on the pole, and Ranieri as option 2. And Rudi Garcia as option 3. Shevchenko was great as players, but I don't know his capability as manager.

It is not the manager fault,Milan has not the quality players once it had and with this composition of players will have quite some difficulties to perform well against other teams in Serie A,losing almost every game in this beginning is not a good sign either.

Milan has quality players, managers do not have a good strategy to fight a big team in Serie A. It is proper for managers who cannot give achievements or have the potential to bring a better club to be replaced.

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Quote from: dobolspeed3 on October 02, 2019, 06:44:57 AM

I myself have not read or heard about club sales. Maybe just a rumor that usually happens and we ourselves do not know whether it is certain or not, If there is a reference to this article can be sent directly here. So I can find out more.

Or you can search it on Google with some keywords like Arnoult AC Milan. If you're too lazy to do that, here's some of the article for you: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9938714/ac-milan-890m-takeover-bid-second-richest-bernard-arnault/.

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Quote from: Pab on October 02, 2019, 06:18:50 AM

All that hard what Milan is now experiencing can be somehow change in ownership
I have been reading that current owner want to sell Milan
Buyer can be mr. Arnoult who is owner of big fashion company.His wealth is priced on 75 bln euro
Price for Milan is 1 bln. Transaction can be done in summer time
I don"t know how real that news are but unknown future can have negative impact on club

I myself have not read or heard about club sales. Maybe just a rumor that usually happens and we ourselves do not know whether it is certain or not, If there is a reference to this article can be sent directly here. So I can find out more.

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All that hard issues what Milan is now experiencing can be somehow change in ownership
I have been reading that current owner want to sell Milan
Buyer can be mr. Arnoult who is owner of big fashion company.His wealth is priced on 75 bln euro
Price for Milan is 1 bln. Transaction can be done in summer time
I don"t know how real that news are but unknown future can have negative impact on club

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Quote from: masulum on October 02, 2019, 04:28:23 AM

Quote from: Barracuda on October 01, 2019, 06:07:04 AM

Marco Giampaolo really needs a lot of time. Because he has just coached AC Milan this season, so it is unethical to be replaced because of the poor results experienced by AC Milan's squad.

If that needs to be done "changing coaches" are there 4 potential candidates to replace Marco Giampaolo:

1. Andriy Shevchenko
2. Arsene Wenger
3. Rudi Garcia
4. Claudio Ranieri

We never know who deserves it, but it's better to give Marco Giampaolo more time to build AC Milan to be even better.

Maybe hard to AC Milan staying with Giampaolo, As we know, AC Milan need to back to Champions League, Gatusso was doing something different last season.

About candidates to replace Giampaolo as manager, I prefer to Arsene Wenger on the pole, and Ranieri as option 2. And Rudi Garcia as option 3. Shevchenko was great as players, but I don't know his capability as manager.

It is not the manager fault,Milan has not the quality players once it had and with this composition of players will have quite some difficulties to perform well against other teams in Serie A,losing almost every game in this beginning is not a good sign either.

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Quote from: Barracuda on October 01, 2019, 06:07:04 AM

Marco Giampaolo really needs a lot of time. Because he has just coached AC Milan this season, so it is unethical to be replaced because of the poor results experienced by AC Milan's squad.

If that needs to be done "changing coaches" are there 4 potential candidates to replace Marco Giampaolo:

1. Andriy Shevchenko
2. Arsene Wenger
3. Rudi Garcia
4. Claudio Ranieri

We never know who deserves it, but it's better to give Marco Giampaolo more time to build AC Milan to be even better.

Maybe hard to AC Milan staying with Giampaolo, As we know, AC Milan need to back to Champions League, Gatusso was doing something different last season.

About candidates to replace Giampaolo as manager, I prefer to Arsene Wenger on the pole, and Ranieri as option 2. And Rudi Garcia as option 3. Shevchenko was great as players, but I don't know his capability as manager.

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Quote from: elda34b on October 02, 2019, 02:21:22 AM

Quote from: rizkyrz on October 01, 2019, 06:30:36 PM

As a Serie A fan I also don't want AC Milan to be in the relegation zone. Being a strong club competitor in Europe such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus and others is my hope for AC Milan.

Lots of those strong clubs are also fighting for relegation at one point or the other. The real question is, will they able to overcome it or not. If Milan's board doesn't have a quick and on-point solution, then it would be challenging.

Finishing in 10th or 15th is already a good target if they can't move on from this spot till half of the season. Let's hope their morale is not broken af so the players can perform at their best when it's required.

it's true that many strong clubs also experience the same thing as this. Management from the previous season has done a lot of things, such as buying several players and changing coaches. I don't know where the basis of their problems even though various things have been done club management.

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Quote from: rizkyrz on October 01, 2019, 06:30:36 PM

As a Serie A fan I also don't want AC Milan to be in the relegation zone. Being a strong club competitor in Europe such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus and others is my hope for AC Milan.

Lots of those strong clubs are also fighting for relegation at one point or the other. The real question is, will they able to overcome it or not. If Milan's board doesn't have a quick and on-point solution, then it would be challenging.

Finishing in 10th or 15th is already a good target if they can't move on from this spot till half of the season. Let's hope their morale is not broken af so the players can perform at their best when it's required.

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Quote from: Barracuda on October 01, 2019, 11:37:48 AM

Quote from: rizkyrz on October 01, 2019, 10:49:15 AM

it would be very embarrassing if AC Milan competed through the relegation zone. It doesn't matter if it's a small or new club, for AC Milan who has a very good history and achievements, being in the relegation zone is not uncommon.

I'm willing to bet, AC Milan will not enter the relegation zone this season. Well, for now Milan is indeed in poor form. But this is only the 6th week, there are still 32 more weeks ahead for them to be able to get up and get out of the relegation zone and hope it can enter the champion zone or Europe. Well, at least the top 10 for this season.

As a Serie A fan I also don't want AC Milan to be in the relegation zone. Being a strong club competitor in Europe such as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus and others is my hope for AC Milan.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on October 01, 2019, 10:31:42 AM

Giampaolo's plan isn't working, if they give him more time, the team's gonna cross the point of no return and will start fighting in the relegation zone. Out of the 4 managers that you mentioned, I'd say Ranieri is the best choice, but Rudi Garcia is great manager who knows how to work with young players, although, I wonder if he wants to go back to the Serie A.

since the last few matches, I think Giampaolo has changed the formation but it didn't work... AC Milan's failure was not entirely wrong Giampaolo, I think this is purely a mistake from team management because the players they gave Giampaolo were only alternative players and not the initial target.. right now the game patterns of Suso and Hakan (AC Milan's mainstay players) are easy for opponents to read, so I think the current failure of AC is purely from Team management.

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