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Topic: It'll be insanity not to buy bitcoin at sub $500 (Read 5297 times)

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Actual production cost of one single bicoin is aroundt $530-$550. Any price below $500 is a steal. Buy now or regret years later. With difficulty ever increasing miners are getting screwed now cause anyone mining now is running at a loss.


It seems like the market doesn't agree with you. BTC has been way below 500 for several days now. There's more selling than buying going on. We'll be in the three hundreds a month from now.

Good call

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Prediction skill level: Troll

I love how a troll is now defined on this forum as someone who is consistently right about the market movement for the past several months.
sr. member
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★ Investor | Trader | Promoter
Actual production cost of one single bicoin is aroundt $530-$550. Any price below $500 is a steal. Buy now or regret years later. With difficulty ever increasing miners are getting screwed now cause anyone mining now is running at a loss.


It seems like the market doesn't agree with you. BTC has been way below 500 for several days now. There's more selling than buying going on. We'll be in the three hundreds a month from now.

Good call
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The price is hovering around $470 at the moment. The minute I buy, it will follow to $400 or below :-)
legendary
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The premise of this thread is built upon a fallacy.  The value of bitcoin is not dependent on the cost for mining, I dont even get how somebody could say this is the case.

Consider any other product, goods or services...the value of it is not guaranteed to not fall below production cost, it just becomes bad business when it does.

If it costs me $10 to make a sandwich that doesn't mean people will buy it from me for $10.  They can go to subway and get a 5 dollar footlong.

I suggest you to read up on Bitcoin, Satoshi's white paper is a good place to start. The value of bitcoin, if nothing else, can only be derived from the cost of mining it. There is really no any other way to create a bitcoin but to mine, and mining takes processing power and electricity which cost. To compare bitcoin to a sandwich is ridiculous, a sandwich is not a store of value that is fungible, limited in production and is increasingly difficult to make.

The value of bitcoin has nothing to do with the cost of mining.
The mining difficulty has everything to do with price of bitcoin.
sr. member
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The premise of this thread is built upon a fallacy.  The value of bitcoin is not dependent on the cost for mining, I dont even get how somebody could say this is the case.

Consider any other product, goods or services...the value of it is not guaranteed to not fall below production cost, it just becomes bad business when it does.

If it costs me $10 to make a sandwich that doesn't mean people will buy it from me for $10.  They can go to subway and get a 5 dollar footlong.

I suggest you to read up on Bitcoin, Satoshi's white paper is a good place to start. The value of bitcoin, if nothing else, can only be derived from the cost of mining it. There is really no any other way to create a bitcoin but to mine, and mining takes processing power and electricity which cost. To compare bitcoin to a sandwich is ridiculous, a sandwich is not a store of value that is fungible, limited in production and is increasingly difficult to make.
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You would be willing to sell you sandwich for any price above the 'marginal' cost, not the total cost.
So if the ingredients cost $6, and your fixed costs (chopping board, labour etc) cost $4, then you are happy to sell at $6.
This means the miner is willing to produce as long as the price is above the electricity cost
legendary
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Borsche

If it costs me $10 to make a sandwich that doesn't mean people will buy it from me for $10. 

No, but that means you won't be selling it for less than $10.
newbie
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The premise of this thread is built upon a fallacy.  The value of bitcoin is not dependent on the cost for mining, I dont even get how somebody could say this is the case.

Consider any other product, goods or services...the value of it is not guaranteed to not fall below production cost, it just becomes bad business when it does.

If it costs me $10 to make a sandwich that doesn't mean people will buy it from me for $10.  They can go to subway and get a 5 dollar footlong.
legendary
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Borsche
A couple of weeks from now, you'll have the chance to buy bitcoin at sub $300.


And of course you, being a pathetic troll that you are, will just disappear instead of taking a bet on that outcome? Since you are one of the few pathetic trolls who bother to put a date on their stupid predictions, we can easily make you rich out of your wisdom. How much? I'll take you up for a 1-1 bet that we will *not* have a chance to buy bitcoin at sub $300 at bitstamp couple (as in, 3 maximum) of weeks from now, i.e. by September 31st. Via a trusted escrow, any amount you can come up with.
sr. member
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I tend to agree which is why I have been adding some in recent weeks
Hopefully we will look back and conclude that this was a great time to go long
sr. member
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A couple of weeks from now, you'll have the chance to buy bitcoin at sub $300.

There'll be a lot of "insane" people then as well.

You know most here even permabulls too wish for a chance to buy at sub $300? Heck I'd buy all I can even at sub $400. If you're holding bitcoins and you're not buying at sub $300 you have got to be the most financially retarded person on the planet
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A couple of weeks from now, you'll have the chance to buy bitcoin at sub $300.

There'll be a lot of "insane" people then as well.

TITCR
legendary
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Bitcoin at $475 :O
sr. member
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A couple of weeks from now, you'll have the chance to buy bitcoin at sub $300.

There'll be a lot of "insane" people then as well.
sr. member
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It's a game of chicken. The miners can't stop mining because if they do the amount miners can make will go up, so they may as well continue mining and hope the price goes up. Think of it as dollar cost averaging on autopilot.

Don't think about consumer-level miner from his basement... think about the 1000m^2 industrial space factories. They can't keep going for too long without a positive cash flow. They want to, perhaps, but it is not about what they want.

If they do the math, they'd turn off their miners and use the overheads to buy instead, which would have gotten them more than mining them. It's just a waste of time, money and electricity to mine bitcoins at the current difficulty level at the current price
newbie
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Buying daily coz im not insane.
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
It's a game of chicken. The miners can't stop mining because if they do the amount miners can make will go up, so they may as well continue mining and hope the price goes up. Think of it as dollar cost averaging on autopilot.

Don't think about consumer-level miner from his basement... think about the 1000m^2 industrial space factories. They can't keep going for too long without a positive cash flow. They want to, perhaps, but it is not about what they want.
sr. member
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Hobby miners with small farms can mine essentially forever at a small loss. Big miners will not be able to mine for long at a cost due to space and electricity cost (assuming they already paid for their hardware and it wasn't on credit). If big miners fail they could sell off all of their reserve coins, tank the price of BTC and in the end all we would have left are the small hobby miners again.

Well big miners will be lossing on a lot of gains if they dont risk for a while. Nobody said it would be easy. Also if they stop, these smaller miners will get a bigger slice of the pie.

It's a game of chicken. The miners can't stop mining because if they do the amount miners can make will go up, so they may as well continue mining and hope the price goes up. Think of it as dollar cost averaging on autopilot.

The biggest impact will be that they can't continue to invest in new hardware. As the demand for miners goes down the companies selling them will shift to just mining with the hardware that they make. Eventually those companies will not only reach 50% of the network, but in fact dwarf all mining pools combined. It is my prediction that this will occur as soon as 2015.

When this happens the future of Bitcoin will be cast in doubt, there will be panic and drama, and hopefully a solution will be found.

Well I guess a solution already exists for such an scenareo? I like to think Satoshi left it all planned and there must be a way to find his views on this, maybe he talked about it here in Bitcointalk or something.
hero member
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Hobby miners with small farms can mine essentially forever at a small loss. Big miners will not be able to mine for long at a cost due to space and electricity cost (assuming they already paid for their hardware and it wasn't on credit). If big miners fail they could sell off all of their reserve coins, tank the price of BTC and in the end all we would have left are the small hobby miners again.

Well big miners will be lossing on a lot of gains if they dont risk for a while. Nobody said it would be easy. Also if they stop, these smaller miners will get a bigger slice of the pie.

It's a game of chicken. The miners can't stop mining because if they do the amount miners can make will go up, so they may as well continue mining and hope the price goes up. Think of it as dollar cost averaging on autopilot.

The biggest impact will be that they can't continue to invest in new hardware. As the demand for miners goes down the companies selling them will shift to just mining with the hardware that they make. Eventually those companies will not only reach 50% of the network, but in fact dwarf all mining pools combined. It is my prediction that this will occur as soon as 2015.

When this happens the future of Bitcoin will be cast in doubt, there will be panic and drama, and hopefully a solution will be found.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Hobby miners with small farms can mine essentially forever at a small loss. Big miners will not be able to mine for long at a cost due to space and electricity cost (assuming they already paid for their hardware and it wasn't on credit). If big miners fail they could sell off all of their reserve coins, tank the price of BTC and in the end all we would have left are the small hobby miners again.

Well big miners will be lossing on a lot of gains if they dont risk for a while. Nobody said it would be easy. Also if they stop, these smaller miners will get a bigger slice of the pie.
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