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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on October 20, 2024, 10:28:34 AM

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I was merely posting an example for everyone to get the context of what I was posting. Like for example, let's pretend that Peter Todd was one of the Satoshis, then when the HBO documentary announced that "Peter Todd is Satoshi", the other Satoshi would log in to BitcoinTalk and start a topic saying that "Peter Todd is not Satoshi".

I think different than you. If Satoshi Nakamoto is a group of people, they don't have to do anything. Silence means any finding, any hypothesis can be wrong. If they reappear to say anything, people can know Satoshi Nakamoto are still here with us, did not die yet. Sometimes, if you try to prove something is not about you, people will have more reason to think that it is you.

I merely believe that it will be some sort of protection mechanism if one of the Satoshis were to be exposed, especially if he/she was detained by the authorities. A signed PGP message would be enough to prove that they might have the wrong person.

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That's a discussion for another topic. The other possible Satoshis that passed away were Hal Finney and Lens Sassaman. Lens Sassaman commited suicide.

I knew about Hal Finney, and knew he died with his chronic disease.
Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)

I did not know about Lens Sassaman and honestly, I did not see anyone discuss about him in bitcointalk since 2017 before HBO movie.

Read his biography and check the date of his death. I won't say more, but something was announced by someone before he did it one month before the incident.

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Quote from: Miles2006 on October 10, 2024, 05:47:51 PM

I actually read a different news about HBO documentation and this user advised the holding of bitcoin firmly since its guaranteed bitcoin price might increase after the revealing of Satoshi but guess what? Stories like this are false. People just voice out different opinion ever since HBO started this whole drama but it’ll be best they get little attention so we can all think proper and focus more on positive thought about bitcoin. If I should ask I had this thinking about HBO and their thought not being able to control the market now they can actually come up with something else or what’s their motive.

Even though it shows that he predicted it because the price did really increase, it is still like an attempt to try to manipulate BTC to move in a positive direction. Even without this news, you can't never go wrong of hodling a Bitcoin because BTC can always increase on its own. No one is forced to join this trend, so we can always have our peace of mind if we choose to do so and that was better because we might have plans that are different from the crowd. HBO is just a brand and they can only accept offers from someone else, so I won't put the pressure on them.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 20, 2024, 01:58:32 AM

I was merely posting an example for everyone to get the context of what I was posting. Like for example, let's pretend that Peter Todd was one of the Satoshis, then when the HBO documentary announced that "Peter Todd is Satoshi", the other Satoshi would log in to BitcoinTalk and start a topic saying that "Peter Todd is not Satoshi".

I think different than you. If Satoshi Nakamoto is a group of people, they don't have to do anything. Silence means any finding, any hypothesis can be wrong. If they reappear to say anything, people can know Satoshi Nakamoto are still here with us, did not die yet. Sometimes, if you try to prove something is not about you, people will have more reason to think that it is you.

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That's a discussion for another topic. The other possible Satoshis that passed away were Hal Finney and Lens Sassaman. Lens Sassaman commited suicide.

I knew about Hal Finney, and knew he died with his chronic disease.
Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)

I did not know about Lens Sassaman and honestly, I did not see anyone discuss about him in bitcointalk since 2017 before HBO movie.

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Quote from: tbct_mt2 on October 19, 2024, 06:07:30 AM

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OR, here's another hypothesis, IF Satoshi is really a group of people, THEN it would make actual sense to make everyone believe that he/she is one person and hide the fact that they are a group. And by hiding that fact, if one of the Satoshis was exposed, then the other Satoshis could merely sign a message from a key known to be associated with Satoshi or an old forum account to say That person is not Satoshi".

If it was a group of people, then there was probably two or perhaps three of them?

The hypothesis is interesting, I think it is possible, but I disagree with an action that if they are a group of people, they will need to sign a Bitcoin message to prove that anyone on media is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

I was merely posting an example for everyone to get the context of what I was posting. Like for example, let's pretend that Peter Todd was one of the Satoshis, then when the HBO documentary announced that "Peter Todd is Satoshi", the other Satoshi would log in to BitcoinTalk and start a topic saying that "Peter Todd is not Satoshi".

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If they decided to disappear, simply maintain it with time, forever, it's enough. They can let people free with speculation on who is or are Satoshi Nakamoto. Like now, with silence from Satoshi Nakamoto, there is a hypothesis that Bitcoin founder already passed away. It is an interesting hypothesis and it will be broken if Satoshi Nakamoto will be active again with a Bitcoin message or PGP message, that is unnecessary to protect Bitcoin founder anonymity.

That's a discussion for another topic. The other possible Satoshis that passed away were Hal Finney and Lens Sassaman. Lens Sassaman commited suicide.

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The movie already release and thoose guy from twitter seems didn't react much he just want the engagement from the user like the other alpha on twitter the market also didn react much about it. Satoshi Nakamoto is remain anonymous I watch the movie in the conclusion they think is peter tood the real satoshi but I don't think he is satoshi too, its remain mystery.

Even tho Satoshi is here and said Hi to me and send me a couple of bitcoin I don't think the true of identity going to cracked the satoshi theory has been here for a longgg time there is bunch of person that basically said I am satoshi but the truth is we are all satoshi haha

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 19, 2024, 05:07:32 AM

OR, here's another hypothesis, IF Satoshi is really a group of people, THEN it would make actual sense to make everyone believe that he/she is one person and hide the fact that they are a group. And by hiding that fact, if one of the Satoshis was exposed, then the other Satoshis could merely sign a message from a key known to be associated with Satoshi or an old forum account to say That person is not Satoshi".

If it was a group of people, then there was probably two or perhaps three of them?

The hypothesis is interesting, I think it is possible, but I disagree with an action that if they are a group of people, they will need to sign a Bitcoin message to prove that anyone on media is not Satoshi Nakamoto.

If they decided to disappear, simply maintain it with time, forever, it's enough. They can let people free with speculation on who is or are Satoshi Nakamoto. Like now, with silence from Satoshi Nakamoto, there is a hypothesis that Bitcoin founder already passed away. It is an interesting hypothesis and it will be broken if Satoshi Nakamoto will be active again with a Bitcoin message or PGP message, that is unnecessary to protect Bitcoin founder anonymity.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 18, 2024, 01:37:45 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 17, 2024, 04:25:27 AM

Thanks for posting the link! Hal Finney was in my first of potential Satoshi candidates, the second would either be Adam Back or Lens Sassaman, then Nick Szabo. I believe that I have to change my list and remove Hal Finney and replace it with Lens Sassaman as my first, Adam Back as my second, then Nick Szabo.

People assume that Satoshi must be someone whose identity is publicly well known already but that might not be the case at all. If Satoshi cared about his privacy then he would have been careful about not using his real name anywhere and that is why nobody has been able to figure out who they were. It was much easier to hide your identity back then because there wasn’t strict KYC requirements everywhere you turn like there is today.

OR, here's another hypothesis, IF Satoshi is really a group of people, THEN it would make actual sense to make everyone believe that he/she is one person and hide the fact that they are a group. And by hiding that fact, if one of the Satoshis was exposed, then the other Satoshis could merely sign a message from a key known to be associated with Satoshi or an old forum account to say That person is not Satoshi".

If it was a group of people, then there was probably two or perhaps three of them?

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 18, 2024, 01:37:45 AM

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Thanks for posting the link! Hal Finney was in my first of potential Satoshi candidates, the second would either be Adam Back or Lens Sassaman, then Nick Szabo. I believe that I have to change my list and remove Hal Finney and replace it with Lens Sassaman as my first, Adam Back as my second, then Nick Szabo.

People assume that Satoshi must be someone whose identity is publicly well known already but that might not be the case at all. If Satoshi cared about his privacy then he would have been careful about not using his real name anywhere and that is why nobody has been able to figure out who they were. It was much easier to hide your identity back then because there wasn’t strict KYC requirements everywhere you turn like there is today.

Yeah, it's beneficial for him as it was said during countless threads, that, being nobody for anybody is the greatest position Satoshi can have, realistically.
Nobody wouldn't want to be bombarded with accusations and invitations to interviews. On the scale of Satoshi.
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Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 17, 2024, 04:25:27 AM

Thanks for posting the link! Hal Finney was in my first of potential Satoshi candidates, the second would either be Adam Back or Lens Sassaman, then Nick Szabo. I believe that I have to change my list and remove Hal Finney and replace it with Lens Sassaman as my first, Adam Back as my second, then Nick Szabo.

People assume that Satoshi must be someone whose identity is publicly well known already but that might not be the case at all. If Satoshi cared about his privacy then he would have been careful about not using his real name anywhere and that is why nobody has been able to figure out who they were. It was much easier to hide your identity back then because there wasn’t strict KYC requirements everywhere you turn like there is today.

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News has a big influence on people’s decision-making, and it can be either positive or negative, depending on the mindset of the viewer or reader. The changes we see in the market movements suggest that people, especially active investors, tend to act too emotionally. Most of the time, when the news is negative, we see a sharp drop in prices, and when it’s positive, it soars.

This kind of behavior shows that many of us let our emotions take over instead of staying calm and rational. And that is one of the main reasons why bitcoin remains highly volatile compared to other valuable assets in the world.

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Quote from: doomloop on October 17, 2024, 03:38:02 PM

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That HBO documentary seems to be a flop. As we can see with the price of BTC, there's a bit of reaction but it didn't move negatively. Well, it has pumped to $66k for last month but then corrected for a while and now it's on its way back there. So, with that assumption that the price of BTC will decrease a lot because of that show, looks like no one cares at all with all of these media produced documentaries revealing who satoshi is because everybody knows that satoshi will never appear in the public anymore and all they have are hypotheses.

So, it was actually the opposite thing that occurs here. Hehe, that's cool. I think it shows that people are really excited to see Satoshi even though they have this thinking that 'maybe this one is a Faketoshi again'. This was still part of entertainment. We do care about it because we talked about it here but the ones that we doesn't care about is if Satoshi will sell his coins if in case he is still alive and shows up in public because we are confident that he won't screw us. If he will really sell then that must be small amounts only, for testing purposes. No one knows the future, so who knows? Maybe Satoshi is only just around the corner and still willing to show up later on for some reasons?

Not really new anymore on which there would really be those things or those sentiments that could really be able to affect possible movement. We do know that technical analysis wont really be that precise
and could anytime will really be able going against or opposite on what you have predicted. It will really be that recommended that you should really be setting out some back up plans on the moment or time
that the market would really be going against on what you have predicted then at least you are prepared on whats coming. Be wary on what are the things that could happen around. Neither you would really be making out some reaction into it or wont really be caring at all. News could neither give out some impact or not because we do know that there's no such thing about assurance or patterns on which this market
will really be able to follow. It will really be all random and something that cant really be predicted as always.

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Quote from: tabas on October 12, 2024, 02:31:57 AM

That HBO documentary seems to be a flop. As we can see with the price of BTC, there's a bit of reaction but it didn't move negatively. Well, it has pumped to $66k for last month but then corrected for a while and now it's on its way back there. So, with that assumption that the price of BTC will decrease a lot because of that show, looks like no one cares at all with all of these media produced documentaries revealing who satoshi is because everybody knows that satoshi will never appear in the public anymore and all they have are hypotheses.

So, it was actually the opposite thing that occurs here. Hehe, that's cool. I think it shows that people are really excited to see Satoshi even though they have this thinking that 'maybe this one is a Faketoshi again'. This was still part of entertainment. We do care about it because we talked about it here but the ones that we doesn't care about is if Satoshi will sell his coins if in case he is still alive and shows up in public because we are confident that he won't screw us. If he will really sell then that must be small amounts only, for testing purposes. No one knows the future, so who knows? Maybe Satoshi is only just around the corner and still willing to show up later on for some reasons?

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Quote from: tranthidung on October 15, 2024, 09:12:08 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 15, 2024, 01:27:33 AM

Satoshi never wanted to be found, and Satoshi has probably passed away - R.I.P. Hal Finney. Cool

With this blog post from Jameson Lopp and evidence he found and used in the post for proving Hal Finney is not Satoshi Nakamoto, I believe that Hal Finney is not. Except if Satoshi Nakamoto are more than one person and there are other people in Satoshi Nakamoto group can do emailing to Mike Hearn.

Hal Finney Was Not Satoshi Nakamoto. If Satoshi Nakamoto are not a group of people, but as a single person, he must be someone else, but not Hal Finney.

Thanks for posting the link! Hal Finney was in my first of potential Satoshi candidates, the second would either be Adam Back or Lens Sassaman, then Nick Szabo. I believe that I have to change my list and remove Hal Finney and replace it with Lens Sassaman as my first, Adam Back as my second, then Nick Szabo.

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But if Satoshi was a group of people, and that Hal Finney was one of them, then it was very smart of the group to create a situation that has an alibi. The group probably created such situations for each person in the group?

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on October 14, 2024, 09:44:30 AM

I think market have grown above being easily affected by news and of course, there are lot of people who rely on news to have their trade and to me this is just causing fud. Currently market is making wave back to 64k plus heading to 65k and this doesn't in any way affected the market so far.

This documentary was a fun experience because in the end they almost considered Peter Todd as Satoshi Nakamoto and that's absolutely horrific. He's really an awesome guy and has contributed a lot for the community but that doesn't mean someone should consider him Satoshi Nakamoto. Satoshi just left Bitcoin for the community and he's done that for good of Bitcoin and of it's community. Currently, Bitcoin is gaining value once again and I also believe the the documentary didn't impacted Bitcoin in anyway.

I know it would never be Satoshi nakamoto and this gullible for someone to impersonate Satoshi while he is not, I believe it's something that has created so much fear between traders investors which the price returned back to 60k and then shoot to 67k today and it's still maintaining that position, maybe before tomorrow or Friday we might see Bitcoin at 70 benchmark.

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Hal Finney Was Not Satoshi Nakamoto (https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/). If Satoshi Nakamoto are not a group of people, but as a single person, he must be someone else, but not Hal Finney.

Don't you think if Satoshi was a group of people by now one of those people could had became Judas to betray the entire group whereby trying to reveal the identity of the entire members. So, to me I believe it's just a single individual who just decided to remain unknown, unknown seen and untraceable just for the safety of bitcoin and for bitcoin to gain legality.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 15, 2024, 01:27:33 AM

Satoshi never wanted to be found, and Satoshi has probably passed away - R.I.P. Hal Finney. Cool

With this blog post from Jameson Lopp and evidence he found and used in the post for proving Hal Finney is not Satoshi Nakamoto, I believe that Hal Finney is not. Except if Satoshi Nakamoto are more than one person and there are other people in Satoshi Nakamoto group can do emailing to Mike Hearn.

Hal Finney Was Not Satoshi Nakamoto. If Satoshi Nakamoto are not a group of people, but as a single person, he must be someone else, but not Hal Finney.

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Quote from: tabas on October 14, 2024, 05:45:55 AM

Quote from: maydna on October 14, 2024, 05:19:34 AM

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It is about to enter $65k again. We were just talking about it yesterday and now it has hit $64k. I am just happy whenever I see these movements of BTC. No rushing but we'd definitely see how it moves and skyrockets. We're at the start of the week so this could be for an entire week then when the weekend approaches, the correction might come.

Bitcoin price go up and down many times this week so there is a chance for traders to make more profit than usual. If they can analyze better about the market movement, they will find a way to enter and quit from market many times so their profit will be bigger. But yes, in the start of the week, the price gives a good movement so we can hopes that this will continue until the end of this month. But as you said that we must be careful for another correction that might come.

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Quote from: tabas on October 14, 2024, 05:45:55 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on October 14, 2024, 02:25:12 AM

Quote from: tabas on October 12, 2024, 02:31:57 AM

That HBO documentary seems to be a flop. As we can see with the price of BTC, there's a bit of reaction but it didn't move negatively. Well, it has pumped to $66k for last month but then corrected for a while and now it's on its way back there. So, with that assumption that the price of BTC will decrease a lot because of that show, looks like no one cares at all with all of these media produced documentaries revealing who satoshi is because everybody knows that satoshi will never appear in the public anymore and all they have are hypotheses.

That's because Peter Todd is NOT Satoshi, and another "investigative journalist" will try again to find who the "Real Satoshi" is and again like the "investigative journalist" before him, he/she will get it wrong. But by the time someone will get it right - NO ONE will care anymore!

Haha, these media know how to make people curious about the videos they make. I won't be surprised if there's a part or a sequel after several months or a year/s. AFAIK, they didn't even get the permission of Peter Todd to include him to this investigative documentary that they've made.

What I'll NOT be surprised with is the documentary was actually commissioned by BlackRock's Larry Fink himself. They probably believe that it might be a good marketing "scheme" to make a narrative that a smart/intelligent, not that old Canadian individual invented Bitcoin during his early 20s.

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Why? Because everyone, probably, has already learned and understood that there's no actual point in "Who is Satoshi", and that the actual point is "What is Bitcoin". Cool

I agree, 100%. No point in finding out who satoshi is. He's done enough and wanted to keep everything as-is and a mystery especially his/her/their identity.

Satoshi never wanted to be found, and Satoshi has probably passed away - R.I.P. Hal Finney. Cool

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