Topic: It's time for EUROPE to become SOCIALIST - page 2. (Read 684 times)

Conflicts will continue in the world until we learn to live like People, helping each other, without splitting into groups.

Capitalists are not socialists. This is like saying because there are exchanges in a socialist society for commerce, that means socialists are capitalists. You can't have it both ways.

Social programs doesn't make a country socialist. This is the whataboutism argument that socialists will make -- they'll say look at Nordic countries as an example of socialist when the reality is they have heavy social programs fitted among a culturally homogeneous nation. They're still capitalistic, despite a high effective tax rate. There's still private commerce, business ownership, ect.

Just because the U.S. might have the military or local PD funded by tax payer money doesn't mean it's a socialist system they support. Public utilities and capitalism aren't at odds.

Socialists keep finding problems everywhere, wither real or perceived. And their only solution to these problems is always more government. Some people have more money than others? Get government involved. Pollution, global warming, viruses, banks failing, you name it, more government is always the socialist solution.

Never mind that wherever you are, your government is operating under a crushing dept that is so large it can never be repaid. This goes to show how inneffictive and wasteful government programs are.


When you claim something should be handled by government, what you are basically saying is that you want it, or you need it, so you think governme t should steal from other people via taxation to give to you.


You obviously don't understand who capitslism means. Capiralism is eseencially free market. But as a socialist you don't really understand the idea of free market. To a socialist, if government doesn't legislate it, tax it, regulate it, permit it, license it, or subsidize it, it becomes not free market, but black market.



Again, you don't understand what capitalism means.


What's with the bootlicking stuff and you? Libertarians just want to be left alone. If they are not hurting anyone else, they want government out of their lives.

What's that got to do with licking boots?

Still never met a socialist who thinks EVERYTHING should be controled by the government but that is the strawman of choice amongst bootlickers.  Most of us believe necessities should be controled by the government and there is a lot of diversity about what constitutes a necessity and if control means funding or production.  

Capitalists already are socialists because they almost unanimously believe the government should fund their security via the military, their risk via bailouts, their overhead via public infrastructure, and their employee benefit costs via social security.

So at the end of the day, socialists want socialism, capitalists want socialism, and its really just bootlicking libertarians who want pure captialism.

That is an absurd statement. You don't get nothing for free. What happens is that government forces other peopke to pay taxes so that you can get your meds bought and paid for by people who are more productive than you are. In other words, you stole those meds from people who have more money than yourself, or rather, you used government to steal from them.

And that is the very essence of socialism; to punish people who are more productive with heavy taxes, and to reward people who are less productive with free shit paid for by the productive ones.

Ir's not too hard to see where that eventually ends up. Now all your manufacturers and employers have left. You don't have anything not made in China or Taiwan anymore.

But you just keep bitching about thise who have more than yourself. See how much deeper that will get ya.

That is very typical of socialists: to demonize and vilify anyone who has more than themselves to push for more government control of everything.

When covid first started out a guy made the news on the internet in my country. He bought $20k of toilet paper, enought to fill up his basement and garage.
And within a week, there was a big shortage of toilet paper all over the country. For some odd reason, people were rushing out to buy not food, not masks, not vitamins, but toilet paper. For about two weeks my family had to use old rags to wipe our bums.

The thing is, that guy saw that there would be a demand in toilet paper. And he banked on it. Unfortunately for him, the TP shortage only lasted a couple of weeks. And so he was stuck with a house full of TP and no buyers.

In the states, after a big hurricane in Florida, one guy loaded his truck with generators and proceeded to head to Florida where he was going to sell them at a premium. But the feds stopped him, accused him of hoarding and price gouging, and prevented him from selling his very needed generators.

So basically, people in Florida were denied access to generators because socialists wanted to demonize people who want to offer a service for profit.

This is how a healthy economy works: people identify where a a need or a want arises, and act in a manner to fill that need.

And in a way, many of you on here are just the same with Bitcoin. You are hoarding Bitcoin right now in the hopes that someone at a later time will be desperate enough to buy it from you at x time the price you paid. Now, aren't you the evil capitalist here?

Just this summer, a neigboring town suffered a big hail. Over 3000 homes with broken windows and over 6000 cars with hail damage. That's good for me, I sell and install windows. So I headed on over to that town and I worked for very profitable contracts. People left and right were throwing money at me, begging me to install windows on their homes. I worked for at least 3x more money than I usually get fir about 3 months. I just came back home last week. What exactly would you want me to do? To sell my windows to the lowest bidder? Someone here doesn't understand how to run a business.

very charitable, wasn't she?

except for giving away what wasn't hers...

I do agree with you about how it's a bad thing that the UK is run by the Eton/Oxbridge elite, and how they are entitled to run the country not on merit, not on talent, but on happening to be born to wealthy parents from 'elite' establishment families. This is a huge problem (and I think largely because we didn't have a 'French-style' revolution).

But we seem to have differing opinions on the EU. It's not perfect, but I see it as a restraining mechanism that acts to thwart some of the worst ambitions of the Eton/Oxbridge set. The Tories who are most rabidly fervent about leaving are the ultra-right who are desperate to free themselves from EU oversight so that they can dismantle workers' (and human) rights, and further entrench their own privileges. Leaving the EU delivers us even further into their grasp than we are already.

you should not mix socialism and communism, China is hardly having socialism, which is perfectly nurtured in Scandinavian countries, where state is providing socially responsible actions and freedom
China is an example of mixed communism and capitalism, where is normal to work 50+ hours a week, which Scandinavians are trying to reduce their week to 30 hours, a real progress in life conditions

and most of Europe is near to socialism, where social-democratic parties are in the lead, expect some Eastern European countries, where social-nationalist parties are in the lead

Actually it isn't. The arch-Oxford globalist, Margaret Thatcher and successors gave it to housing associations, and they are morphing into property development companies. She also gave a lot of out national assets to the City of London bankers.

Yes its also considered as a socialist because they are also serving for their nation and working to be a great Netherland.

We can't say about all European countries, but about the united kingdom is on the path on socialism because the British government-owned the largest manufacturing in such industries as autos and steel. Much of the housing is government-owned. And they also work in a good education for their citizens.

Though they don't use that word, most of the European nations are socialist for quite a time now. The concept of socialism were founded and nurtured in Europe.
Some European would win over China if there were any rankings for socialist nations.

The elite was always around, in any form of government. If you look at communism, socialism, capitslism, they all have a wealthy group controlling everything. In my opinion it's all the same in the end. In USA we have corporate billionaires, in russia we have the oligarch and in China we have the communist party. In the end it's just people who hold the power and want to stay in power. It's the same ideas behind everything, controlling the average joe and keep him busy with his little problems while the few elitist keep getting richer.

great american dream is the illusion

because you cant get your dream unless your asleep in bed


maybe the 'great american life' should be the slogan. atleast thats more attainable and actually based in real physical life and not imagination/hopes/memory/thought

when people talk aboutdreams and hopes they are not talking about plans and projects
this is why even 57 years on MLK's dream is still not fully reality
because its been 57 years of dreamers

hopes and dreams should be plans and actions
but if people started talking about plans instead of hopes it would upset the elitists, so the elitists want people to only have hopes and dreams.


its like democracy
saying people deserve the right to vote. is like saying people deserve the right to choose their slave owner
no where does it say people deserve the right to control

elistists dont want competition. they dont want people controlling who the leaders are. they want people to vote in middlemen and have the middlemen choose the elitests
where the middle men only get voted in if they have well funded campaigns to get noticed enough to be voted in

MP's are not the elitist but they get paid by elitists so while they pass on sugestiions of peoples dreams they are not the actual power to action those dreams. that comes from the higher up tier

When the game is rigged it's time to change the game so yeah no matter what my past is , my Political views stays the same ...
How poisoned modern society with the "Great  American  Dream" ... ?
It's time to say to the so called American Dream go f..uk your self  back to America and your Hollywood h,...s Europe does not need you ..we can build our own nukes to protect our self..
Like communism the "american dream" is just stupid propaganda ...

 

  

economics

socialism :- treasury money given to the average
capitalism:-treasury money given to the elite
authoritarianism:- treasury money spent on the rich political leaders
libertarianism:- survival of the fittest no help from treasury no input into treasury you keep what you earn

It's hard to get rich these days but socialism is usually for the rich. Therefore we work hard to eliminate all these we will be free from corruption and socialism in Europe will be eliminated. Socialist ownership of the means of production is its economic basis. Socialism overthrows private ownership and eliminates human exploitation economic crisis and unemployment opening up the desert for the planned development of the productive forces and the full development of relations of production. The aim of social production during the period of socialism was to increase the prosperity of the people and to bring about the overall development of every member of the society.

I'm not surprised you want other people's money as you're broke:


I bet if you had a lot of money you wouldn't be saying the same.

I'm sorry for you man, but socialist societies are not those paradises that those who defend them imagine. When some sort of socialism works it is because it is mixed with a certain degree of freedom in the economy, so there  is a competitive private sector and also some redistribution of wealth to the disadvantaged. But most of this redistribution goes from the middle class to the poor class and not from "the rich" to the poor class, as is often sold.

in europe people dont buy medical treatment. people get it through the NHS for FREE

i know your stupidly reading american conspiracy scripts. especially when you use the american currency.
but try to have an independant thought about the realities of actual UK

your starting to get too obvious your thoughts are coming from fiction sites not factual sites


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anyway
yes eurupe has strong ties to the capitalist tax havens where by most of the tax income into treasury is from the working classes not the uber rich.

however socialism is not just about who pays in.. but also what the funds are used for
if europe took away the military offense(invading other countries) and only funded military defense(within its borders)
that would free up alot of funds
if europe stopped supporting other continents 'relief donations' and instead kept the money for its on citizens then the lifestyle of its citizens would increase

yes using tax money to fund raising the living standards of the working class and not funding R&D grants for 'for profit' corporations would help
but thinking that europes healthcare systems are 'for profit' where people have to buy healthcare with their credit card.. just shows you have not got out the house and seen the real world in the UK where you live. and instead just taking some american conspiracy script as your reality