It's time to expel Russia from the UN - page 4.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 29, 2022, 10:28:10 AM

Note that it isn't only Russia. The Ukraine is made up of people from the same basic location as Russia. They are the same kind of people.

Also note that the fact that the US is behind the Ukraine push shows that there are power-people all over the place. Britain and the Papacy are a couple of big ones, and the Federal Reserve Bank (in the US) is the same.

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the world has seen Russia has survived and those who have imposed sanctions on the Russia are in trouble.
They are in serious trouble do to the their decisions. Winters are arriving and EU is in trouble they are now planning to use wood to produce energy at the moment they have forgotten that they have to support Ukraine- they are not supporting themselves.

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Quote from: Alik Bahshi on September 28, 2022, 08:29:07 PM

Quote from: yhiaali3 on September 26, 2022, 01:05:02 AM

Not all of the Russian people support Putin's policy, so you can't describe the Russian people as an evil people. There are Russian people who reject war and reject Putin's policy, so it's a mistake to generalize.
As for the expulsion of Russia from the United Nations, I do not think that this will solve the problem. On the contrary, it may complicate the problem because there will be no place for dialogue. In addition to all that, the United Nations is an empty organization that does not have any influence on powerful countries. It affects poor and weak countries but it cannot have any effect on strong countries.
Perhaps the solution is to sit at the negotiating table and try to find a solution that satisfies both parties without external interventions that further complicate the problem.

Sure, not all Russians support Putin, but most support him. It is on the Russian people that Putin relies. Putin himself comes from a people with a great-power outlook.

Note that it isn't only Russia. The Ukraine is made up of people from the same basic location as Russia. They are the same kind of people.

Also note that the fact that the US is behind the Ukraine push shows that there are power-people all over the place. Britain and the Papacy are a couple of big ones, and the Federal Reserve Bank (in the US) is the same.

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The UN has completely failed to uphold peace and order in the international world and has no moral obligation to remove Russia. And it is the UN's main purpose. Russia is defending its citizens from external aggression in a way that the UN is unable to. The UN is being used by powerful nations to subjugate others; the USA has illegally invaded numerous nations without receiving approval from any other nations or the UN. However, if others invade, the UN will intervene quickly to preserve world peace and harmony. The UN should leave Russia alone and address the problems that are generating the invasion rather than trying to stop it by banning Russia from the organization. Nato should instead stop supporting and allow Russia and Ukraine to have another peace talk.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on September 26, 2022, 01:05:02 AM

Not all of the Russian people support Putin's policy, so you can't describe the Russian people as an evil people. There are Russian people who reject war and reject Putin's policy, so it's a mistake to generalize.
As for the expulsion of Russia from the United Nations, I do not think that this will solve the problem. On the contrary, it may complicate the problem because there will be no place for dialogue. In addition to all that, the United Nations is an empty organization that does not have any influence on powerful countries. It affects poor and weak countries but it cannot have any effect on strong countries.
Perhaps the solution is to sit at the negotiating table and try to find a solution that satisfies both parties without external interventions that further complicate the problem.

Sure, not all Russians support Putin, but most support him. It is on the Russian people that Putin relies. Putin himself comes from a people with a great-power outlook.

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The case against the idea of kicking Russia out of the UN is this...

The UN is a big forum where nations of the world meet to discuss all kinds of things. After discussion, the nations might decide to act together regarding some part of the world. Often such actions help people in places where natural disasters strike.

If we kick Russia out of the UN, we won't get Russia's input. But consider, when you include Siberia, Russia is the largest nation in the world. Why would anybody NOT want to hear what the largest nation in the world has to say?

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Quote from: bitgov on September 26, 2022, 03:11:54 PM

Quote from: yhiaali3 on September 26, 2022, 01:05:02 AM

Not all of the Russian people support Putin's policy, so you can't describe the Russian people as an evil people. There are Russian people who reject war and reject Putin's policy, so it's a mistake to generalize.
As for the expulsion of Russia from the United Nations, I do not think that this will solve the problem. On the contrary, it may complicate the problem because there will be no place for dialogue. In addition to all that, the United Nations is an empty organization that does not have any influence on powerful countries. It affects poor and weak countries but it cannot have any effect on strong countries.
Perhaps the solution is to sit at the negotiating table and try to find a solution that satisfies both parties without external interventions that further complicate the problem.

Like not all American support war. Like not Indian like killing of Kashmiris - like not all jews like killing of people of Palistanie
But people are not the power - it is the government which decides what they have to do. People are only to vote and set aside

Do not forget the government are individual persons who make decisions for many people.
Even with all these we are seeing everyday war after war. Country fighting another country, we need to know that all these things are as a result of hatred or disagreement which had lead to conflict and war between nations.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on September 26, 2022, 01:05:02 AM

Not all of the Russian people support Putin's policy, so you can't describe the Russian people as an evil people. There are Russian people who reject war and reject Putin's policy, so it's a mistake to generalize.
As for the expulsion of Russia from the United Nations, I do not think that this will solve the problem. On the contrary, it may complicate the problem because there will be no place for dialogue. In addition to all that, the United Nations is an empty organization that does not have any influence on powerful countries. It affects poor and weak countries but it cannot have any effect on strong countries.
Perhaps the solution is to sit at the negotiating table and try to find a solution that satisfies both parties without external interventions that further complicate the problem.

Like not all American support war. Like not Indian like killing of Kashmiris - like not all jews like killing of people of Palistanie
But people are not the power - it is the government which decides what they have to do. People are only to vote and set aside

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^^^ It's too bad that there are Russians who don't support the good Putin policies. One of them is free trade using BRICS. Why use the US dollar all the time? Freedom. Free trade between nations, and better than the UN. Kick the UN out of Russia.

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Not all of the Russian people support Putin's policy, so you can't describe the Russian people as an evil people. There are Russian people who reject war and reject Putin's policy, so it's a mistake to generalize.
As for the expulsion of Russia from the United Nations, I do not think that this will solve the problem. On the contrary, it may complicate the problem because there will be no place for dialogue. In addition to all that, the United Nations is an empty organization that does not have any influence on powerful countries. It affects poor and weak countries but it cannot have any effect on strong countries.
Perhaps the solution is to sit at the negotiating table and try to find a solution that satisfies both parties without external interventions that further complicate the problem.

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Quote from: Cryptock on September 25, 2022, 04:35:10 PM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on September 25, 2022, 01:02:46 PM

Since the sanctions imposed on Russia are not adopted by the United Nations, the hypothesis of adopting a resolution to isolate Russia internationally does not make sense to present it at present. Throughout the history of the United Nations, there have always been member states that have been in conflict for years and have not been isolated.

Fears arise from the resignation of one of the countries, particularly Russia, which criticized the state of hostility led by America against it, as stated by Foreign Minister Lavrov yesterday in the General Assembly.

Haven't the world suffered already too much after putting the sanctions on the Russia?
Now there is another suggestion coming up to remove Russia from UN. There is so much hype about Russia but I am sorry to say no one ever raised a voice against Israel and USA for destroying the lives of so many muslims.

Here you write, but here is another one.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on September 25, 2022, 01:02:46 PM

Since the sanctions imposed on Russia are not adopted by the United Nations, the hypothesis of adopting a resolution to isolate Russia internationally does not make sense to present it at present. Throughout the history of the United Nations, there have always been member states that have been in conflict for years and have not been isolated.

Fears arise from the resignation of one of the countries, particularly Russia, which criticized the state of hostility led by America against it, as stated by Foreign Minister Lavrov yesterday in the General Assembly.

Haven't the world suffered already too much after putting the sanctions on the Russia?
Now there is another suggestion coming up to remove Russia from UN. There is so much hype about Russia but I am sorry to say no one ever raised a voice against Israel and USA for destroying the lives of so many muslims.

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Since the sanctions imposed on Russia are not adopted by the United Nations, the hypothesis of adopting a resolution to isolate Russia internationally does not make sense to present it at present. Throughout the history of the United Nations, there have always been member states that have been in conflict for years and have not been isolated.

Fears arise from the resignation of one of the countries, particularly Russia, which criticized the state of hostility led by America against it, as stated by Foreign Minister Lavrov yesterday in the General Assembly.

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Quote from: Alik Bahshi on September 25, 2022, 06:22:06 AM

Quote from: BADecker on September 24, 2022, 09:21:46 AM

You are trying. A video in English might be a difficult thing for a Russian/Ukrainian to glean any knowledge from. So, I will spell it out for you... as the video says.

The two basic bad parts of both Russia and the Ukraine are the banks and the governments.

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I have already said that you are trying to get away from discussing the topic. Here the topic is about the exclusion of Russia from the UN, and not about banks. Be careful. And if you have nothing to say on the topic, is it better to shut up. If you keep commenting like this, I'll just have to ignore you.

There is no significance to the idea of kicking Russia out of the UN. The UN is a BS organization. It exists to steal from the people, and to help countries steal from each other. The only reason Russia stays in the UN is, there might be a little advantage here or there.

Russia is already forming their own grouping of international nations through BRICS. BRICS is stronger than the UN, because it is based on real property trade rather than the US debt currency trade. The only weakness BRICS might have is that it is not nearly as well known (propagandized about) as the UN.

As our conversation wanders in this thread, some of it may seem to not be about the UN or Russia. But all of it exists to show that there isn't anything to the UN. So, as far as Russia goes, it doesn't matter if the UN kicks her out, or lets her stay. The simple sanctions against Russia are far more profound, and have far greater implications, than UN membership.

Or don't you want to talk about the UN and Russia, even though that is the topic of this thread? If not, what are you aiming at here? Are you simply trying to slander Russia? If that's all this thread is about, it really isn't worth looking at. We both have our own UNs, and we don't really need each other.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 24, 2022, 09:21:46 AM

Quote from: Alik Bahshi on September 23, 2022, 11:10:39 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 23, 2022, 01:37:51 PM

^^^ Look, until you understand what is going on in the world, you will always have trouble realizing which part of Russia or the Ukraine is really the bad part. This might help you a little. Note that it's about land and money... gold. You can't get much nutrition out of fake fiat fungibles, and the paper it is printed on.

Take a look at history:

Wall Street Funded the Bolshevik Revolution - Professor Antony Sutton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaFklTLNy8c

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And what part of Russia and Ukraine is really bad?

You are trying. A video in English might be a difficult thing for a Russian/Ukrainian to glean any knowledge from. So, I will spell it out for you... as the video says.

The two basic bad parts of both Russia and the Ukraine are the banks and the governments.

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I have already said that you are trying to get away from discussing the topic. Here the topic is about the exclusion of Russia from the UN, and not about banks. Be careful. And if you have nothing to say on the topic, is it better to shut up. If you keep commenting like this, I'll just have to ignore you.

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Quote from: Alik Bahshi on September 23, 2022, 11:10:39 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 23, 2022, 01:37:51 PM

^^^ Look, until you understand what is going on in the world, you will always have trouble realizing which part of Russia or the Ukraine is really the bad part. This might help you a little. Note that it's about land and money... gold. You can't get much nutrition out of fake fiat fungibles, and the paper it is printed on.

Take a look at history:

Wall Street Funded the Bolshevik Revolution - Professor Antony Sutton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaFklTLNy8c

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And what part of Russia and Ukraine is really bad?

You are trying. A video in English might be a difficult thing for a Russian/Ukrainian to glean any knowledge from. So, I will spell it out for you... as the video says.

The two basic bad parts of both Russia and the Ukraine are the banks and the governments.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on September 23, 2022, 01:37:51 PM

^^^ Look, until you understand what is going on in the world, you will always have trouble realizing which part of Russia or the Ukraine is really the bad part. This might help you a little. Note that it's about land and money... gold. You can't get much nutrition out of fake fiat fungibles, and the paper it is printed on.

Take a look at history:

Wall Street Funded the Bolshevik Revolution - Professor Antony Sutton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaFklTLNy8c

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And what part of Russia and Ukraine is really bad?

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Quote from: teosanru on September 23, 2022, 06:16:56 PM

I am no fan of Russia but if countries are removed from UN based merely upon the liking or non liking of a certain set of NATO countries or more prominently the US, then there is no point of UN at all. UN means a forum where everyone can bring their own opinions internationally doesn't means US is always right in his opinion. If US can start Wars in Arabic Countries in the name of their internal safety then how is Russia wrong in doing the same? It's just that they are being too obvious and straightforward about it which obviously other democracies can't be. I just know one thing. War is going on in a lot of countries and every martyr for your country might be terrorist or separatist for the other one.

Although the United Nations have really contributed to world peace, it is still handicapped. Some powerful nations sometimes refuse to abide by the charters and laws of the organizations. Some of these nations are uncontrollable and make key decisions without considering their effects on the weaker ones. In fact, it is the weaker nations that are always law-abiding, while richer and powerful nations are lawless.

Recently Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki accused France and Germany of ignoring the voice of poorer or weaker European nations. He insisted that the suggestions of Germany and France count more than other nations. This is also the case of the United Nations, where the main financiers manipulate the decision of the body.

Expelling Russia from the United Nations might be impossible for now because China is its ally, hence it could block such moves. But does it make any difference? Putin's Russia cannot be controlled by any organization including the UN.

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I am no fan of Russia but if countries are removed from UN based merely upon the liking or non liking of a certain set of NATO countries or more prominently the US, then there is no point of UN at all. UN means a forum where everyone can bring their own opinions internationally doesn't means US is always right in his opinion. If US can start Wars in Arabic Countries in the name of their internal safety then how is Russia wrong in doing the same? It's just that they are being too obvious and straightforward about it which obviously other democracies can't be. I just know one thing. War is going on in a lot of countries and every martyr for your country might be terrorist or separatist for the other one.

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Most people don't like war. Let the US and NATO get out of Ukraine so Putin doesn't have to fight to maintain Russia.

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The UN is a forum that is intended for dialogue and discussion. The League of Nations was useless and generated the Second World War along with an asymmetric treatment of Japan and Germany by US and others.

Apart from being legally impossible, as USRR and now the RF have veto power and there is not really a mechanism to expel a founding member, there is also an incoherence in expelling anyone from an organisation that is mainly a forum to talk and give a chance to diplomacy. BTW, I strongly disagree with Putin's war.

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