Topic: I've just awarded this guy with 3 merits (Read 2877 times)

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Sometimes i use to ask why is it had for people having a lot of merit to share it out it's not fair really not fair the more the get merit the more the there interest in it we need to put eyes on it well i think.

I tend to agree with  nattykio - many of the "big guys" (legendary accounts) wouldn't be there  - and some shouldn't be there. But that is also why they changed the system - to improve that. The legends here that did get merit since it was introduced (even if it is just 10 merits) are the ones that I respect and deserve to wear the rank.

Not having merits also doesn't mean that they are a shitposter - it just means that their posts are not merit worthy and maybe they should improve their posting habits.

Merits don't discriminate by rank or nationality  -just post quality.
Proof that some of the highest merited members are not senior members.

Name:   theyoungmillionaire
Merit:   552
Date Registered:   October 01, 2017

Name:   DdmrDdmr
Merit:   796
Date Registered:   January 04, 2018

The thing that make these people stand out is hard work.

You are not right. And it's easy to prove. Look at the number of merits of the higher ranks participants. You`ll see that usually it is huge. And this isn`t because they are Sr. Members or Heroes. This is because they earned these merits. When the merit system was just launched, we were all essentially on equal terms. Yes, each rank had its own number of merits "by default". But then each of us could either earn, or not earn merits. I met on the forum Members, who had 83 merits (the original 10 + 73 earned) and Sr. Members with 253 merits (the original 250 + 3 earned). It isn`t difficult to see who is working better. However, such situations are exceptions rather than rules. Most often, we can see Members with 11 merits and Sr. Member with 323 merits. This means that the "big guys" aren`t just lucky to grow in rank before the introduction of the merit system - they really deserve it.


Motivation for beginners should be not a pay rate, but the possibility of taking them to the forum community. Beginners can get here unique knowledge, communicate with coryphae in the crypto-currency area and share their original ideas. Instead, they focus on profane things such as earnings in signature campaigns, and think not about their own development at the forum, but about increasing their rank in order to make more profit. What they don`t take into account, however, is that this behavior leaves them behind the board of the present reality of the forum. And after endless spam and useless posts, the forum community won`t accept them.


Many newcomers are writing junk posts. However, those who really want to learn and comply with the requirements of the forum, grow in rank and receive merits. And noone calls them shitposters. Don`t think that "big guys" can`t distinguish non-acquaintance of a newbie, who is just adapting and trying to understand the topic, from the ignorance of participants who don`t even set a goal to learn.

No. We're not being hard enough. Any shitposter like you can get paid here as a junior with no effort and that's the problem. And I don't know what you mean by 'big guys' but if you can't get merit then you shouldn't be able to earn here. You've been here nearly a year and you've got a grand total of zero merit. Well done. I've received more merit today then you have in a year. You should't be getting paid for the lazy crap that you make and if you had to actually put some effort into earn here I'm sure you would actually try harder. But you don't need to. Neither do all the other Newbies and Junior Members here that sign up in their thousands and that's why this needs to change and signatures need to be removed. If you can't get ten merit to have a signature then you don't deserve to be able to earn here.

Then he needs to state that, and to provide a link.

What if he's also author of wiki article?

The thread is apparently getting full of copy-pasters. You have a new one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/electric-cars-are-the-future-but-not-with-batteries-4997523
This answer has been directly plagiarized from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density

I can't understand that. This user doesn't seem like the typical spammer and, yet, there he goes with his plagiarized quote.

EDIT: i've reported it, and even when my reports appear with a 100% of accuracy, all my reported posts are still in there. That's awkward.

You see that is the problem. This isn't a forum with "average pay". It is a forum that is tolerant enough to allow members to earn money, and most of them are taking the piss. Well it's time to "piss off" for them in my opinion.

a new born quality poster.

 I saw many profiles that has many posts, activities and quality contents but doesn't received any single merits from the highers.

I wish there's a Jet Cash in our local board, to provide and sustain the ability of those new rising members. If I have many sMerits and an authority to be a source, I'll not hesitate to give those profiles who put an "effort" on certain things like sharing new information that helps fellow member.


As much as possible, avoid copying contents from the internet but it's okay to make it as a basis for your own topic. Well, copying contents from the internet and indicating the source of it is considered as a shitposting for me. Do you think it's really hard to provide your own statements/opinion? definitely not!

Yes, i agree with what you said about jet cash.
But i don't think if you read the whole conversation here.
Have you read the whole thread?

I fully support you. Plagiarism remains plagiarizm, no matter in what environment it was discovered. The Internet is the same field for the utterance and argumentation of one's thoughts, like everything else. You can`t be guided by other rules just because plagiarism has been seen in the Internet environment. People are really trying to convey their ideas in original way, and it can`t be unpunished that someone copies them and issues them for their own. Because of this the forum is filled with spam and shit posts.

Good suggestion - I've done that.

Shouldn't you edit your first post though? I was also ready to give him a merit but then I noticed the answers bellow your first post... most people probably read the first post and maybe the last page though!

And hey, one more good that came out of it: I learnt the meaning of the word "plagiarist"! Even though I'm not a native English speaker, it's very rare for me to encounter English words I didn't know. Thanks for that!

Well the award and the thread has generated some great discussions, and it has enabled a few others to earn some merits. I'll justify my award by looking at the good that came from my generosity.

ps. Talk Merit says - I hope the bugger gets banned as a result.

I also noticed this one of his post.

Copy

Soure link: http://chinesecoinnews.com/what-is-mining/

Original


Impose the appropriate punishment for him, to aware and to fear others to follow his activites.

Everyone knows that the system is not quite that perfect and for the  people who has concerns about the system already said that many times,... but the fact that theymos can't do anything right now, I guess we just have to adjust ourselves from this kind of abuse/problem.

You found that this person dont deserve the merit points you gave to him, because of this post other members gave him some points, but you can do nothing to cancel your act!!! This is why I believe the merit system should be reviewed.

Nop is not. That's why maybe this is better to wait and see another author's publications in here in order to be able to compare them.
What is still suspicious to me it that he didn't provide this medium link, the copied-pasted one, but the original fonts of his knowledge.

Anyway, after what happened in this very thread, I think this is normal to feel quite "suspicious" before meriting something that actually looks "too great to be the truth".

... or not .. same account name as the author’s name on medium plus in his OP he states the source and that he is the same person... it’s not that easy to discern.

This is another plagiarist. Source: https://medium.com/@GeorgeTProfit/the-evolution-of-distributed-ledger-technologies-part-1-36162792105

Even when he claims to be the same person, this is quite strange that the "author" doesn't provide the link to the medium article. Whereas he es or not, maybe this is better to wait and see if the guy generates some original Bitcointalk content for comparison purposes

These sort of situations kind of build-up on suspicion and procedure when it comes to meriting someone for the first time, especially if the account is a newbie that creates a decent post right from the start (for there is no posting history to compare with, nor has the account been merited by anyone else).

I’ve just come across an OP of a person with a decent informative post, who claims to be the author of the content that he first published on another platform. Since the account is a newbie, I tried to google search stuff for around 10-15 minutes, and could not find anything weird. My concern is really whether the person is really who he says he is (not nominally, I’m just concerned with the original text), and is really the author of the OP and content, and not a case of someone grabbing somebody else’s identity and pretending to be him. I’ve got a feeling the person is legit, but until there is a further posting track I cannot say for sure.

This in any case a sad paradox: I refrain from meriting a good post because it is a decent post from a newbie and it is the first post he publishes (The evolution of Distributed Ledger Technologies or Blockchain - Part 1 of 4 ). I’ll try to keep an eye out to see how this account's posting evolves…


Same goes for another person on my local forum: he posted a crappy content, I told him that he needs to elaborate and build an opinion in his post and become more informative in the process. Now he's gone and modified his OP doing just that, and therefore I've got homework to do to decide it the new content is really his...

Oh wow what a thoughtful reply from you, comparing flaming etc with some plagiarizing stuff. So do you think it is okay to plagiarize things even it is on internet? Really? Do you think people who make the original content does not put time and work to make one?

I love how the internet is mainly used for flaming at people that played a game better than oneself, and here we are on bitcointalk and discuss how some users plagiarise and put them on the wall of shame like they were cheating in their phd dissertation 

But what encouragement is it if you get it for largely doing nothing? It's like getting a trophy for merely participating. You just need to make 30 posts over three periods and bots can and are doing this. Many are even getting paid to bot and this is mostly why this is needed. What would truly be encouragement though would be them getting the one merit (or whatever the requirement is) to move up the rank. That really would feel like an achievement and like you have earned something here. We have merit requirements for every other rank so why not Junior as well? Doesn't make any sense to me to not have it. It makes even more sense because it's one thing that stops the worst of the worst and bots from getting paid and Campaigns can't be trusted to police this themselves.


Well this is the more important issue and I would be fine with no merit requirement for Juniors if their signatures were removed as that's mostly the crux of the issue here, but ideally it would be both. I think nobody should be able to have a signature until Member and you still need at least one merit to become a Junior (bots can still be nuked then), but if I had to settle for their signatures being removed then I would.

The merit requirements seem to be well thought out, and I don't think that there should be a requirement to rank up to junior. When i joined the forum, I asked a lot of questions that I now realise were stupid. Fortunately the members here were very patient with me, and I learnt a lot. I don't think that I deserved to reecive any merit during that period, but moving up to junior member was an encouragement.

I believe that restricting signatures to members and above would be far more productive. The activity and merit requirements would discourage those that have joined to exploit the forum, and it would also provide the mods with with an impression of the character of the new member.

I guess you got your lesson right Jet Cash? Maybe you can make a solution to it? Like making a class (thread) or adding some talks in one of your thread about how to look up into members if they are legit or not? If their posts are legit or not? Your thread is a good place to give people knowledge about this i guess.

Or did you add it already before this happen? I rarely come to your thread tho, pardon me.

@tranthidung
Require merit/s to be Junior Member is already suggested and compiled in one of Hillariousandco's thread and Theymos even did a reply to it, and the comment was " OK and some might need an adjustment". That is all that we know up till now.

lol, I don't think so.
I don't know there are rules related to low-quality threads as one of violations on forum rules, at least with all current rules of the forum as I known.
Furthermore, let's think of it neutrally, sometimes all of us can fall into wrong directions, fall into off-topic ideas. So, it's really strange to ban someone due to making off-topic threads. It is likely extremely strict criteria, in my point of view. Applying such criteria might lead to banning massive bans on forum users, including non-spammers.
In contrast, I agree with you that most of spammers fall into off-topic discussions with their shit-shows.
Restricting users at specific ranks and above can enable to wear signature, increasing required merits to rank up, especially for Junior member and Member ranks, might have considerable effects. The approach has been disccussed somewhere in the forum over months, as I known.
As I suggested in my other threads, the forum should have new rank requirements, which specifically focus on lower-ranked members (because those sort of users are the most annoying ones in the forum, have dominant contribution to spamming endemic):
- 10 Merits to rank up to Junior Member.
- 50 Merits to rank up to Member.
I strongly believe that if it implemented, big difference to come for sure.

As soon as text spinning becomes a well-known tool for spammers, we'll lose the battle... spambots will take over and we can't report them in the Plagiarism topic to ban them, we can only report the post as low-quality (because text spinners are not perfect yet, so there will be some words and expressions that are just not right in that specific context...) and you can't ban a member because of the low-quality posts, can you?

And this is because it's still possible for low ranked members to earn here without the need for quality posts... as long as they can earn, why would they stop it? Homograph problem has been solved? No problem, they can move on... As long as it worth them to move on and to find another solution to spam... As long as they got paid for it... As long as they have the possibility to join into bounty campaigns... As long as they have signature...

We're already mentioned not to let jr.s to wear signatures... in vain... I know that this forum is a super-complicated ecosystem and every small change has a lot of effects on other things forumwide... but if you just don't play, you can't win... if we win, the forum will be a happy place again, if we lose, we will be at least wiser... and there will always be a next chance to improve the forum with something, to just eliminate this spamfest we have now...
I'm really looking forward to have a kind of solution asap...

Plagiarism is really frowned upon in the forum, but no doubt some others has gotten away with it, and probably with some merits.

He probably did it just for the merits, since most bounties don't require such long or high quality post.

A lot of posts in Politics & Society are taken from elsewhere. That user has probably used some text jumbling service to avoid detection, and this is becoming a huge problem because a simple google search will usually won't be fruitful. It's a sad state of affairs where users and now going to have to google a post before they merit it. something else really needs to change with the culture here because people are just going to find more and more ways of being sneaky to avoid being caught. One thing I know though is Newbies and Juniors shouldn't be able to get paid for doing this and that's why their signatures need to go because ICO campaigns will keep paying them to do this otherwise.

The Bitcoin/crypto world is so vibrant at the moment, that there are numerous topics that could be started. I'll start three now, and I'll post the links here as I do them. I'd be grateful for comments on their suitability as a guide for my posting in the future.

The impact of Schnorr signatures on the beginners board. The idea is to try to get them to perform a bit of research, and to improve their understanding of Bitcoin.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/for-merits-how-will-the-introduction-of-schnorr-signatures-affect-bitcoin-5000900.

Should Bitcoin mining be legal in Venezuela? posted in politics.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/should-bitcoin-mining-be-legal-in-venezuela-5000912

Will privacy and merchant adoption fuel the next price rise? posted in discussion as an experiment.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/will-privacy-and-merchant-adoption-fuel-the-next-price-rise-5000942

That's cute of you, how will you give your ideas if your not going to post it? REPLIES are also counted as posts you know?
MOVE YOUR EYES, NOT JUST THE MOUSE AND KEYBOARD.


They're having a hard time? Well, that's only because they're just on the basic things. All of the INTRODUCTIONS about crypto and bitcoin are already here, so why will they bother do the same things? They're just lazy though. Study the current technology and you'll find your way into creating such Posts that wasn't yet started here.


Neh. they're not just using their minds to find anything that is unique.

A plagiarist?  an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author: THAT IS ACCORDING TO GOOGLE SEARCH.  

Are posting only are the one that is entitled for merits?  How about the replies and quotes that has relevant messages, ideas, suggestions and facts.  These should have been given considerations too I guess.  So far, so many subjects now or posts are almost the same relevant matters and issues, I mean members are having hard time now on what topic or questions to start up to make a thread.  Even if you started one, most members would have no interest biting it.  It is either none sense, off topic, lost topic, not relevant or it has been discussed all over again for so many times in different ways of asking and discussions.  That could be the reason why plagiarism comes up and often being merited or worst just being dumped or deleted.

I thought it was never been found again since the first time it was lost


Doesn't agree to that. I may have never find yet anyone here, but there is still someone out there that can do special things.
Maybe he/she doesn't want to show off


Yeah, everybody has the ability to do it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk

This is really sad - I was going to award some merits to this post -
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-long-term-impact-of-cryptocurrencies-and-blockchain-on-society-4996754

I checked the second and third paragraphs, and SER reports them as 78% plagiarised. I didn't research any further. At what level should we say "this thread is OK "?

That is narrow thinking.

What about top merited posts and top merited topics ? If posts are merited based on low member ranks so they can rank up then the good posts will never make the lists of "worthwhile reading". I check the list for several reasons - to look for good reading material and to look for merit abusers (who are often scammers or spammers).

Senior members that "don't need" merits to rank up  re-distribute merits from the sMerits that come with the merits. Their merit lists are often good sources of worthwhile reading.

Then you get the smart members on her like Loyce, Piggy, Ddmrddmr, vod etc that use that data to create various tools that analyse trends and suggest improvements.

Full merit transaction history for any user - now with GRAPHS! - LoyceV
Our very own sMerit Network Picture - enhanced with access to all sMerit TXs - ddmrddmr
Swiss army knife Tool to query Merit data online - Full History -piggy
Most recognised on Bitcointalk - Vod

Merits are for good posts and members that make good posts - regardless of rank. Ranking up is only a bonus for those that deserve it. There are plenty of merits floating about to end up with junior members that actually deserve them.

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Its actually not that easy to get 10 merit, unless you learn a lot about forum. look at this post for example:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/srbpolaris-v35-bios-editor-for-amd-rx4xx-and-rx5xx-cards-1882656

Most used tool for BIOS modding, used by thousands people, 2 merit overall

It wouldn't effect traffic at all, nor does it effect anybody being able to post here. All it effects is your ability to earn via signatures as a Newbie or Junior and that's not what this forum is about anyway and I don't think they should be able to earn here straight away because that's what leads to the abuse and people trying to post about something they little to nothing about. Newbies and Juniors who come here to earn aren't going to magically just throw in the towel because they can't earn by posting straightaway and they now need ten merit or whatever. They can still collect bounties for a start, or just cough up for a Copper membership... or, you know, just earn the merit naturally by making meritable posts. Ten merit isn't a lot and you could probably achieve that by writing one great post or a few at most. I'm sure other members would be more liberal with their merits if this happened as well. I want to see people making worthwhile posts and I want them to be able to earn here in the process. I just don't want copy and paste bots and lazy farmers writing a hollow sentence over however many dozens of accounts they have.

The problem is that here you have to fight a mentality not a laziness. You can say that people will make good posts to earn merit just because they want merit and have some interest in the field and this is the right way to do it, but most of the shitposters are here have different mentality. They don't see advantages or disadvantages of the ICOs, bitcoin or whatever they don't care about such things, they see the system here only as an instrument of making easy money, an system open for abuse and it doesn't matter if this is legal or illegal as soon as nobody will catch them and make profit.

Almost no one cares about the ideology any more everyone is after the profit..

I'll continue busting their asses no matter if they like it or not. I know that it looks like nothing, a drop in the ocean,pointless work,  but someone has to do something, and this is what I can do alone.

Leaving aside the fact that he plagiarized in some posts, there are a lot of good posters that go unnoticed here.

I know a lot of you are saying the Altcoin, Bitcoin & Economics sections are full of spam but if you take a closer look, there are a lot of interesting discussions where good posters try to help people with real issues.
That's the real purpose of a community after all, helping people and improving the knowledge of everyone.

Everything what you see in the supporting forums like Meta, Scam Accusations, Serious discussions etc. are mostly off-topic considering the name of this forum is BITCOIN talk.

Awarding merits is a fairly simple way to encourage members to make interesting posts, and to indicate community approval of their opinions and ideas. If you don't encourage senior members, then they will assume that the community doesn't think their ideas are worthwhile, and they will stop suggesting them. It is extremely difficult to get any traction for new ideas, and even harder to preserve continuity. I gave up on my merit source blog, "ask a legendary", and some of the other projects, as there didn't seem to be any interest in them. Fit to Talk is a bit sporadic as well. The blab chatroom has now become a social room for three of us, and it is no longer something to improve Bitcoin Talk.

It would be good if we could agree on some positive group initiative. There are several community action groups, but they all seem to focus on the negative aspects of posters. Those are essential to police the forum, but we need some positive projects alongside them to replace the rubbish posting.

I think that would be the best option, and I don’t think it would affect traffic so much. The forum would send the message that you can make money if you make an effort to rank up and get merits. And ten merits is not that much, but a shitposter will never get them. There would be people trying to cheat the system, of course, but the situation would be much better.

People need to accept that this is not a discussion board anymore; it's a post or copy and paste to get paid one. Until thyemos is going to do something about that or put someone in charge who will then not only will nothing change but things will get worse.


The problem is the way we allow users to make money. Getting paid to post is great, but it needs to be regulated. We can't let ICOs come here and literally accept anyone and everyone including Newbies and Juniors and ppay thgem for whatever dribble they can drool out or copy and paste. If you accept Newbies and Juniors then it is going to be exploited by spammers, farmers and copy and paste bots. It can't be acceptable to earn from this forum by copy and pasting but that's what is happening. That's why Newbie and Junior signatures need to be removed completely. They then cannot get paid for this until they become a Member and earn ten merit. Ten merit is not a lot to ask, but it is if you're a bot or the worst of the worst of posters.


Well that's unfair too. The jump from Hero to Legendary is huge and will take a very long time to achieve if everyone thinks like you. What do you define as a 'high' rank as well? Full? Senior? If people are writing great posts then they should be merited for them regardless of ranks.

And now, I have just replied to your thread which you created for declaring the use of a forum feature that is already evident without saying.

Good to hear your merit give-away tactics like this.
I don't think so.
Deserved threads are deserved ones, for sure.
I doesn't make sense if you have a opinion like "Wow, this is an excellent thread, deserved merits but I don't give that guy and his/ her thread merits because he/she has stood at higher ranks already". It sounds really weird, in my point of view.

Another reason is, giving your merits away to deserved threads from higher ranked members will help them having more sMerits to give away to others, including lower-ranked members.
I don't see any conflict of interest here!
Plagiarism is one of the worst behavior in human society, including the BT forum.

The fact is long thread which focuses on bitcoin or altcoin discussions might come from articles by plagiarism.
It doesn't not right all the time, but during my time I experience in the forum, most of plagiarised threads concentrate on those sort of categories.

Personally, I will spend a little time to check whether that sort of thread plagiarised or not by using Google search.

Definitely good to see a new(ish) member receiving some attention. Right now, the great majority of merits are sent to users of high rank, when in reality it serves very little purpose in doing so. In reality, merits have dual functionality;

1. They allow members to 'thank' or applaud others for a job well done, usually a high-quality post, community service or research work.
2. They also allow lower level users to rank up, again rewarding them for contributing value to the forum by giving value back.

Sending merits to any user above legendary leads to incomplete utility, as it only fulfills the first function. Personally, I try to send the majority of my merits to users below senior member who I think should have more influence here on the forum.

I decided to give my merits to persons of lower ranks, from newbie to senior member. I think it's not fair to give merits to high ranked users. I do not say that they do not deserve to, but what for they need it? But low ranked members really need it to raise. Unfortunately, posts I like and found informative and interesting in the most of cases belong exactly to high ranked members. This guy is pretty good, but the case of plagiarism made me to change my opinion about him.

Ultimately it isn't much of a problem. The culprit will get banned for plagiarism and got caught because you merited him. The merits can't be used for evil because the user will get banned.

It is easy to get fooled - it is not the fault of the victim - but the fault of the perpetrator.

Al Capone got caught for tax evasion. They never got him for the rest. He died from a heart attack and suffered from tertiary syphilis.

So even if you don't catch them... they might still catch a nasty STD...

Quality over quantity.
And I am sure advertisers are not just looking to get hits impression. They are looking to get traffic that converts and to get a return on investment higher than what they spend

Despite of I also don't have any problem with the restrictions of the newbies and juniors signature possibilities, but I'm a bit afraid that if we remove the signatures from juniors, the forum would lose a lot of traffic.
I don't know the exact figures but as long as a lot of newbies are singning up daily only for the bounties (and it generates the majority of the traffic to this site, I guess) I think less and less normal members are visiting the site... I hope I'm wrong in connection with this.
But if it's true, and we remove the signatures, we would lose a lot of traffic, and reddit and the other crypto related forums would take the lead.
Because I don't know the correct figures, this is just an imagination, but I would be really happy if someone who has the knowledge could reply and let us know about the situtation of the forum.

The lateral effect is that, once you find out you’ve been tricked, you tend to raise your awareness and meriting a post becomes no longer just about the post itself. It happeneded to me once that I’m aware of (someone sent me a PM at the time to warn me I had merited a plagiarized post). From then on, I raised my level of scrutiny for posts belonging to people I hadn’t encountered before, checking the posts for possible plagiarism, checking their posting history to see if the post blends in with the history, or stands out too much, and so on. That is an overhead of time that should not be necessary and that does not need to be applied to all, but normally just to new people you encounter.

Even so, the case referred in this topic is easy to fall for, since the posting history seems rather decent and uniform. It’s a bit off putting, but let’s hope that the well camouflaged cases are not that many (it does require some skills which many do not have).

Some of his post has good quality but he has copied post too. Nowadays its very hard to get merit. Most of the good post are ignored by higher rank members. Giving 3 merits is surprising here.

Well I don't. That's the rule and as any other rule, there are some exceptions, and yes, you are one of those exceptions.
As I said the faith is lost again I didn't said it's lost completely.

It's really quite a problem. I'm only a junior merit source, but I always seem to have around 200 sMerits available. and I do award them every day. I can see why the senior sources end up giving out sMerits in 10s. It would be great if you could visit a few boards, read some some really interesting threads, and award a few merits. I feel that I need to start a few threads in the hope that I can generate some meritable replies. My problem is that I'm going through a political phase at the moment. I was tempted to start a thread about the litigation over the VolksWagen chimney in Mexico, but that's a bit of a stretch from Bitcoin.

JC, just glad to see you are still searching. What can I say I'm a bit cynical, and generally don't have many smerit to be handing out. So I tend to go through the post history first and Merit after.

If the post stands out as particularly well thought out, I run it through google a few different ways. This is unfortunately how I have found most of my plagiarism reports.


For a merit source yeah just meriting a post and moving along is fine; that really goes for anyone. I do disagree a little as without a little research this Plagiarist may have accrued enough Merit to rank up. Sure they would have been caught eventually, but in the meantime they would have been able to benefit from the merit received.

I personally do not care if I disagree with the user or their views, but I will not merit someones post if they are guilty of something that will receive a Permaban, and removal from the forum.


Do not let them weather that baby face hidden behind the glorious beard.
There's always a diamond in the rough, or at least a shiny rock in a turd pile.

Well done, that was spotted really fast before he could get even more visibility.

I can read a bit of Russian.

I had a look at some of his other posts which was in Russian.

Then took some of the sentences and google translated it. Then googled the Russian translated sentences.

When I had an article that was a close match I translated it back using google translate. It was an almost exact match.


People that post stuff with % in them either do good research, make it up or plagiarize. The post looked like an article rather than a reply.

EDIT:

....and they are gone...





https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jostiksss-2154797

Agree. The forum has been a little boring for the last month, and we needed a good debate here.

I just say: PERMABAN to this shit.

Not surprising. After all, Satoshi was a FBI plant as well.

It can't be the Russians. I reckon he is an FBI plant, and he's posting to use Bitcoin Talk to force the impeachment of Donald Trump.

See, that’s what I was saying:



How did you do that? Did you translate what he wrote into Russian and then googled it? My problem was that I didn’t know for sure if it was Russian but I could have tried.

This post is the most exciting one I’ve seen in months. So, now what is going to happen to him? I think he can’t be nuked as he isn’t a newbie anymore. Or can he?

You just encouraged a plagiarism artist to plagiarize more. (wink) Don't regret, I see it was not your fault.

Hey JC don't you think that is enough for Merit the post or do we need to do the researchs for before Meriting a post. Because the post you have been Merited is not plagarised one and you're not Meriting the user but that perticular post.

But at the end of the day, the lesson we all can learn from this is we shouldn't vouch for others unless we absolutely sure.

Edit - he is a plagarism artist. Where is the Global Mods?

Hoping that minimal amount is more than 4 Merits

Thanks for your answer. I think that somehow, one tends to have more careful about rewarding someone when all the other posts in his/her posting history are about making money. Even though making money as the primordial goal doesn't need to be an influence to reward a good post, maybe this is something to have under consideration. I mean: if the posting behaviour is not the best in general, is good to think twice and check one surprisingly good one before meriting it.


Absolutely agree.

The problem isn't making money in this forum, but the way that you make the money.

If I hadn’t seen that he is copy-pasting, I would have answered that we can’t be sure his only interest is making money. After all, for many of us making money is an extra incentive. So merits should be given according to the quality of a particular post, but now that we know he’s copy-pasted once, and we can’t be sure if he’s copy-pasted from another language, I think no more merits should be given to him.

Not only that guy, many people unable to earn merit due to posting on mega thread. Although someone make quality post on mega thread no merit source or reputed member's will visit it. So there is very low chance to earn merit. On the other hand, after joined this forum maximum people's become busy with bounty rest are busy with increase activity. However very low people think about merit from beginnings. Most of them just think about earning money though it's not wrong. But everywhere need skill for earn in the world. So this forum isn't different. A person can not be equal from all side. Whatever we have skill we should share around the forum. Earn knowledge and distribute it. So I believe they will earn merit automatically. No need begging or asking someone for help. It's true that really not easy to earn merit. But it's not impossible.

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Strongly agree with this point. To be honest more than 90% members are earning from this forum. But the way id different each other.

Well, do not generalize, but you are right somehow. Even when, by checking some good newbies or jr' s post, you can find a lot of plagiarism,  I'm a newbie too, so I can't just lose faith completely.

The second post that JC encouraged to be created seems legit enough. This one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-long-term-impact-of-cryptocurrencies-and-blockchain-on-society-4996754

I've checked for plagiarism and seems pretty legit. But, taking a look at his/her profile, mostly he/she has bounties reports. Now, due to this post from JC: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/using-merits-to-promote-bitcoin-talk-boards-4990682  the guy seems to be encouraged to create the new one in the P&S board, so, even when his initial purpose in here is to make some bucks in bounties, do you think that this guy deserves merits for the post he worked in? I ask it because I don' t longer know what to think about that, honestly.

Encouraging people by offering merits can be a good exercise because it makes the people work harder. But, on the other hand, meriting a guy whose only interest seems to be focused on earning some money in here, feels pretty rare.
What are your thoughts on that?

I suppose you meant what you say but without the word highlighted (bolded).

The problem is, this guy is Russian, or something, I can't assure it 100%:


If your mother tongue is not English but you have a good English level, you can copy-paste paragraphs written in other languages, using a translator and then revising it to make it sound natural, so he might have copied more paragraphs used in his posts.

 Faith in the humanity lost again.

If one newbie post is really good, then it's plagiarism.
Now the hompgraphs doesn't help them anymore so it's easy to catch them.

The checker I tend to use is Search Engine Reports-
https://searchenginereports.net/plagiarism-checker/

Maybe quite off-topic, but what do you think about this site? https://www.quetext.com/

This is for plagiarism search purposes.

I agree that he puts more effort into his posts than the average sig campaign participant, and his English is well above the level most of those people operate at--but he's obviously not above cranking out the typical shitposter bitcointalk boilerplate:


But you're right, JC.  His posts did pretty much get missed.  Not surprising, however.  Most of those were made in Economics and Trading Discussion, where there are tons of shitposts and not a lot of merit being given.  I'll take a closer look through his history and I'll probably give him the 1 sMerit I have.

Oh FFS.  That will teach me to not read the entire thread before acting.  I gave him a merit for one of his posts.  That's too bad.

Ha, I was just about to say that those posts are possibly copied from somewhere. This is another big issue and what's colossally wrong with this forum and shows you what a sad state of affairs it is. Often when I'm going through threads and and I actually see a post from someone putting some thought and effort into them they stand out like a sore thumb amongst all the spam and one liners, but I have to google them to see if they're plagiarised and sadly probably 7 or 8 times out of ten they are.


If you see someone actually writing worthwhile posts here just google a sentence or two of it. Such a shame that this is what has become of this place.

Theymos, so when are you going to remove signatures from Juniors and/or make them achieve some sort of merit to become one? This would have probably stopped this guy from earning anything. Newbies and Junior Members should not be able to get paid for copy and pasting.  If you can't earn some minimal amount of merit then you don't deserve be able to earn here.

Yep, me too, I've checked it and seems pretty clear. Sad to see that the guy has plagiarized content before.
Reported, good catch, @veleor

I’ve looked through his first 7-8 posts in case he was plagiarizing everything, but it doesn’t seem so. However, he has copy-pasted that one and must be punished. I will report it just in case you didn’t.

Edit: and looks like he is plagiarist... sad, but expected from someone who only created an account here to join signature campaigns and bounties.

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Yes, his post history is considerably better (but still not enough) than the average member of this forum. Whoever, there are a few things I dislike about him.

1. His posts are ok. A lot better than most you will find in the board he posts the most. But still, he is making a lot of them in now Spam Mega Threads, which is why he didn't get any merit so far. Most of his posts seem to be well developed (at least more than the average post in SMT's), which means that he thought/researched a bit before doing them. But I didn't see anything special about them.

Examples:

His post in the thread "Is Monero a Good Investment" is okayish. But he posted it on page 46 of a now infested SMT. Did he really need to write this post? Let's be real. No one is going to read his post and I'm pretty sure at least a few users already explained what's the big deal with Monero in one of the previous 45 pages.

His post in the thread "Top 5 altcoin for longterm" on page 85 of a now infested SMT.

And the worst part (IMO) is that this is his first post:

Thread: Can newbie do signature campaigns?
He's not here for the right reasons.

And there are a few more like those. Again: he looks considerably better than the average user that just spams nonsenses and should be nuked. But I wouldn't say this is the kind of user the forum needs.

Oh dear, that will teach me to jump to conclusions without doing enough research. I only checked the post I merited.

Yep, the guy seems to have some good posting behaviour activity and yet no merits received. Maybe this is happening due to his board selection, for his writings are mostly on Economics and Trading discussion ones.
Anyway, good catch, JC. The P&S initiative seems to be having some good results. I've come to see this one too: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-long-term-impact-of-cryptocurrencies-and-blockchain-on-society-4996754
The guy looks like being encouraged by your previous B&H post and he has made an effort there, even when his previous posting history wasn't too nice. I've checked both for plagiarism and they are clear.

So nice accomplish, JC!! You are absolutely encouraging the people here.

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AUCH.he was a plagiarist!!!

He is a plagiarist

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I've looked through his post history, and I'm surprised that he has made 80 posts, and not received a single merit until I awarded them. I'm tempted to go through his posts and give him a load more, but I still feel that one should spread merits around rather than dumping them on one person.

The real reason for starting this thread is to highlight the fact that his post had been lost in the swamp, and I think that we should do something to avoid losing these members. Maybe we should have a rising stars list.