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Dimon saying about the economic hurricane and possible economic crisis but that's not really something unknown to people because if you check the situation in the long term you can easily understand that we had always some 'hurricanes' because of some events and during these moments governments are usually unable to make the crisis stop while people are suffering and unable to supply their first needs like food for their family and recently because of many factors people had problems with supplying foods in many countries. So, that's not something new in the world, I guess.
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It seems the current era will be defined by the polar opposite to QE (quantitative easing) which they are calling QT (quantitative tightening). With a claimed $95 billion a month in reduced federal reserve bond holdings. With the fed officially being recognized as one of the largest holders of US bonds, that shift could have a significant affect on markets.
I think the US government will soon have serious debt servicing problems. If the Fed is actively selling bonds, someone will have to buy them actively as well. In terms of inflation, this is a guaranteed loss of money, plus sanctions risks due to the freezing of money by the Central Bank of Russia. It is unlikely that China will do this, probably Europe will have to finance the cash gap due to the large budget deficit in the US, but it has its own financial difficulties.
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Elon Musk thinks the same thing, it's not just him: https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-musk-says-tesla-needs-cut-staff-by-10-pauses-all-hiring-2022-06-03/ He's planning on cutting his staff and pausing hiring because of what the economic projections look like. Not that Elon Musk's word should be taken with unequvical certainty, it just gives you an idea that many of the industry heads believe the economy is headed for a downturn. I agree with you, JP Morgan is probably no different than any other large banking institution, but the signs of economic hardship aren't conspiracies. High inflation in the US and EU region, slow recovery post COVID, and the war in Ukraine putting harsh strain on resources with an already strained supply chain plagued with shortages all point to a rough global economy incoming.

As big of a scumbag Jamie is, at least he actually understand the world of finance.  Elon is not an economist nor is he a financial advisor of any kind.  Elon is notorious for speaking on things he does not understand (cryptocurrency being one).  Not to mention he loves to try an manipulate markets.  I dislike him almost as much as Jamie.

Jamie Dimon is one of the most corrupt human being on the planet, and runs one of the most corrupt companies on the planet.  JP Morgan Chase bank has over 36 BILLION dollars in fines just since the year 2000 ( https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/jpmorgan-chase ).  The guy would sell his own mothers soul if he thought it would benefit Chase. 

He actually admits this in the article quoted too, the man professing himself as a "red-blooded, free market capitalist".

I don't consider myself woke at all but that doesn't mean I think his school of Wall Street Wolf is the way to run things.

Those fines you mention? They and banks like them pay them willingly. I have someone close who says they even budget fines into their annual spending... they hire expensive consultants to work out what amount of fines they should be expected to pay. Simply because it's more profitable to pay fines than to not profit.

I hear few banks ever get that budget line into over-expenditure. That's because enforcement simply can't catch up to their misdeeds.

That's exactly right..the expect for these types of fines because they know they'll get away with more than they get caught, and the benefiting (profiting) of it greatly outweighs the fines.  Working in finance is actually what let me to my love for bitcoin, and namely big banks.  Having gotten to understand the industry and working with institutions the big banks are notoriously the most corrupt of all.  I hate Chase with a passion and passionately sell against them any chance I get.

To be clear, I don't like him much either. My point is that the large corporations are predicting an economic recession and many economists are too. They just disagree about when the recession is coming because it can be too hard to pinpoint. That's not to minimize the certainty (as much as one can be certain about something related to the economy) of a recession. Post COVID spending sprees have their consequences. It's not as if this is completely unforseeable.
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I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously. He has been bearish on Bitcoin for years. Even said he would fire any employees who hold or trade any crypto. Then when crypto went up he was bullish.

Now after almost an entire year of many small and mid cap stocks crashing he is saying there will be a crash. What good is this exactly? Everybody is talking about a recession. So many people are talking about the recession which leads me to believe there won’t be one.
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Bitcoin is never going to be 100% coupled with mainstream financial markets. They will have a lot of influence it, especially in short term, but there are still things like halvenings that will also shape Bitcoin's price. So we'll definitely see some bullish Bitcoin action in this economic crisis, even if it won't be a reaction to it.
They do always love on connecting those traditional things here on crypto space.We cant tell that its 100% immune or wont be affected but most of the time it is truly independent
thats why lets not just make ourselves get too panic or worrying that much whatever things that do happen into those traditional markets or investments.
They are totally in different path or takings compared to crypto but of course you should be watchful on sudden changes which could be a possible way for
you to make adjustments.
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Bitcoin is never going to be 100% coupled with mainstream financial markets. They will have a lot of influence it, especially in short term, but there are still things like halvenings that will also shape Bitcoin's price. So we'll definitely see some bullish Bitcoin action in this economic crisis, even if it won't be a reaction to it.
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It's different this time, isn't he going to tell something bad against bitcoin this time? Or he's giving a clue that with the economic downturn, everyone should play the part of buying bitcoins since he's became the opposite after bashing bitcoin. Telling this could lead a lot of his followers to take the fear that he's feeding them. Well, on the crypto side, we all know what to do and it's always been happening in here and we can endure it if it suddenly becomes true.
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Elon Musk thinks the same thing, it's not just him: https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-musk-says-tesla-needs-cut-staff-by-10-pauses-all-hiring-2022-06-03/ He's planning on cutting his staff and pausing hiring because of what the economic projections look like. Not that Elon Musk's word should be taken with unequvical certainty, it just gives you an idea that many of the industry heads believe the economy is headed for a downturn. I agree with you, JP Morgan is probably no different than any other large banking institution, but the signs of economic hardship aren't conspiracies. High inflation in the US and EU region, slow recovery post COVID, and the war in Ukraine putting harsh strain on resources with an already strained supply chain plagued with shortages all point to a rough global economy incoming.

As big of a scumbag Jamie is, at least he actually understand the world of finance.  Elon is not an economist nor is he a financial advisor of any kind.  Elon is notorious for speaking on things he does not understand (cryptocurrency being one).  Not to mention he loves to try an manipulate markets.  I dislike him almost as much as Jamie.

Jamie Dimon is one of the most corrupt human being on the planet, and runs one of the most corrupt companies on the planet.  JP Morgan Chase bank has over 36 BILLION dollars in fines just since the year 2000 ( https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/jpmorgan-chase ).  The guy would sell his own mothers soul if he thought it would benefit Chase. 

He actually admits this in the article quoted too, the man professing himself as a "red-blooded, free market capitalist".

I don't consider myself woke at all but that doesn't mean I think his school of Wall Street Wolf is the way to run things.

Those fines you mention? They and banks like them pay them willingly. I have someone close who says they even budget fines into their annual spending... they hire expensive consultants to work out what amount of fines they should be expected to pay. Simply because it's more profitable to pay fines than to not profit.

I hear few banks ever get that budget line into over-expenditure. That's because enforcement simply can't catch up to their misdeeds.

That's exactly right..the expect for these types of fines because they know they'll get away with more than they get caught, and the benefiting (profiting) of it greatly outweighs the fines.  Working in finance is actually what let me to my love for bitcoin, and namely big banks.  Having gotten to understand the industry and working with institutions the big banks are notoriously the most corrupt of all.  I hate Chase with a passion and passionately sell against them any chance I get.
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Jamie Dimon is one of the most corrupt human being on the planet, and runs one of the most corrupt companies on the planet.  JP Morgan Chase bank has over 36 BILLION dollars in fines just since the year 2000 ( https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/jpmorgan-chase ).  The guy would sell his own mothers soul if he thought it would benefit Chase. 

He actually admits this in the article quoted too, the man professing himself as a "red-blooded, free market capitalist".

I don't consider myself woke at all but that doesn't mean I think his school of Wall Street Wolf is the way to run things.

Those fines you mention? They and banks like them pay them willingly. I have someone close who says they even budget fines into their annual spending... they hire expensive consultants to work out what amount of fines they should be expected to pay. Simply because it's more profitable to pay fines than to not profit.

I hear few banks ever get that budget line into over-expenditure. That's because enforcement simply can't catch up to their misdeeds.
legendary
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Jamie Dimon is one of the most corrupt human being on the planet, and runs one of the most corrupt companies on the planet.  JP Morgan Chase bank has over 36 BILLION dollars in fines just since the year 2000 ( https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/jpmorgan-chase ).  The guy would sell his own mothers soul if he thought it would benefit Chase. 

As a financial advisor I've worked directly and indirectly with most of the major financial company players, and I can tell you first hand how awful and corrupt Chase is.  I've also had several close friends who've worked for them and they all agree. 

So moral of the story being, don't fully trust anything this scumbag says.  Just remember his main goal is to profit off of you, period.

Elon Musk thinks the same thing, it's not just him: https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-musk-says-tesla-needs-cut-staff-by-10-pauses-all-hiring-2022-06-03/ He's planning on cutting his staff and pausing hiring because of what the economic projections look like. Not that Elon Musk's word should be taken with unequvical certainty, it just gives you an idea that many of the industry heads believe the economy is headed for a downturn. I agree with you, JP Morgan is probably no different than any other large banking institution, but the signs of economic hardship aren't conspiracies. High inflation in the US and EU region, slow recovery post COVID, and the war in Ukraine putting harsh strain on resources with an already strained supply chain plagued with shortages all point to a rough global economy incoming.
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Therefore what we can expect is : Growth in cryptocurrency market , we have already seen a lot of news about adoption as well, even if El Salvador is not doing that great, but they are still hosting meetings for other countries seeking to invest more in Bitcoins.

Yea, no. If the economy actually goes further deeper into crap, speculative investments isn't where smart money is going to deploy.

Though I totally doubt it, there's a very small though technically not impossible chance that bitcoin will outperform. I'm definitely not going to bet on it happening, though.
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Yeah, if he makes a good enough amount of predictions, some eventually may turn out to be correct.
I do agree that the financial world looks grim at best, still, Dimon's predictions are really worthless.
I guess that he wanted to be on the news again, and, for a change, he is not bashing Bitcoin Cheesy
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will the recession, stagflation,quantitative tightening Dump bitcoin?
Dump Bitcoins?
I do not think that, this is something that's going to be a wonderful investment no matter what's gonna happen the market would still be a great place to start, we have still not even gone closer to the ATH as well.

I think some people might try and go investing in the banks because the feds increased the rates but they have already done that and it have already balanced out right now. Therefore what we can expect is : Growth in cryptocurrency market , we have already seen a lot of news about adoption as well, even if El Salvador is not doing that great, but they are still hosting meetings for other countries seeking to invest more in Bitcoins.

The normal economic market is going to do better I think, they are still recovering from the pandemic as well.
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The news changes quickly. A month ago, I remember that everyone started talking suddenly that inflation got out of control and that they were wrong and that the Central Bank will focus on fighting inflation and will succeed in doing so.

This talk did not last for a month, and now we see analyzes saying that stagflation and stagflation are coming, and that we have to prepare to confront it. Inflation is not a major problem just like stagnation.

I think the second and third quarters of this year are going to be very epic although I think we'll wipe out all those losses by the fourth quarter.

will the recession, stagflation,quantitative tightening Dump bitcoin?
legendary
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Jamie Dimon is one of the most corrupt human beings on the planet, and runs one of the most corrupt companies on the planet.  JP Morgan Chase bank has over 36 BILLION dollars in fines just since the year 2000 ( https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/jpmorgan-chase ).  The guy would sell his own mothers soul if he thought it would benefit Chase.  

As a financial advisor I've worked directly and indirectly with most of the major financial company players, and I can tell you first hand how awful and corrupt Chase is.  I've also had several close friends who've worked for them and they all agree.  

So moral of the story being, don't fully trust anything this scumbag says.  Just remember his main goal is to profit off of you, period.
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JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon says he is preparing the biggest U.S. bank for an economic hurricane on the horizon and advised investors to do the same.

“You know, I said there’s storm clouds but I’m going to change it … it’s a hurricane,” Dimon said Wednesday at a financial conference in New York. While conditions seem “fine” at the moment, nobody knows if the hurricane is “a minor one or Superstorm Sandy,” he added.

“You’d better brace yourself,” Dimon told the roomful of analysts and investors. “JPMorgan is bracing ourselves and we’re going to be very conservative with our balance sheet.”

Beginning late last year with high-flying tech names, stocks have been hammered as investors prepare for the end of the Federal Reserve’s cheap money era. Inflation at multidecade highs, exacerbated by supply chain disruptions and the coronavirus pandemic, has sown fear that the Fed will inadvertently tip the economy into recession as it combats price increases.  

While stocks bounced from a precipitous decline in recent weeks on optimism that inflation may be easing, Dimon seemed to dash hopes that the bottom is in.

“Right now, it’s kind of sunny, things are doing fine, everyone thinks the Fed can handle this,” Dimon said. “That hurricane is right out there, down the road, coming our way.”

There are two main factors that has Dimon worried: First, the Federal Reserve has signaled it will reverse its emergency bond-buying programs and shrink its balance sheet. The so-called quantitative tightening, or QT, is scheduled to begin this month and will ramp up to $95 billion a month in reduced bond holdings.

“We’ve never had QT like this, so you’re looking at something you could be writing history books on for 50 years,” Dimon said. Several aspects of quantitative easing programs “backfired,” including negative rates, which he called a “huge mistake.”

Central banks “don’t have a choice because there’s too much liquidity in the system,” Dimon said, referring to the tightening actions. “They have to remove some of the liquidity to stop the speculation, reduce home prices and stuff like that.”

The other large factor worrying Dimon is the Ukraine war and its impact on commodities, including food and fuel. Oil “almost has to go up in price” because of disruptions caused by the worst European conflict since World War II, potentially hitting $150 or $175 a barrel, Dimon said.

“Wars go bad, [they] go south in unintended consequences,” Dimon said. “We’re not taking the proper actions to protect Europe from what’s going to happen to oil in the short run.”

‘Huge volatility’

Last week, during an investor conference for his bank, Dimon referred to his economic concerns as “storm clouds” that could dissipate. Presentations from Dimon and his deputies at the all-day meeting have bolstered JPMorgan shares by giving greater detail on investments and updated figures on interest revenue.

But his concerns seem to have deepened since then.

During the response to the 2008 financial crisis, central banks, commercial banks and foreign exchange trading firms were the three major buyers of U.S. Treasurys, Dimon said Wednesday. The players won’t have the capacity or desire to soak up as many U.S. bonds this time, he warned.

“That’s a huge change in the flow of funds around the world,” Dimon said. “I don’t know what the effect of that is, but I’m prepared for, at a minimum, huge volatility.”

One step the bank could take to gird itself for a coming hurricane is to push clients to move a type of lower-quality deposit called “non-operating deposits” into other places, such as money market funds, for example. That would help the bank manage its capital requirements under international rules, potentially helping it absorb a surge in bad loans.

“With all this capital uncertainty, we’re going to have to take actions,” Dimon said. “I kind of want to shed nonoperating deposits again, which we can do in size, to protect ourselves so we can serve clients in bad times. That’s the environment we’re dealing with.”

Banks having a “fortress balance sheet” and conservative accounting are the best protections for a downturn, Dimon said.

The bank has shied away from servicing a lot of federal FHA loans, he said, because delinquencies could hit 5% or 10% there, “which is guaranteed to happen in a downturn,” Dimon said.

‘Shame on you’

Dimon went on a tear during the hourlong session, barreling through topics like a “greatest hits” of his observations and gripes, often letting loose with profanity.

He lambasted investors for voting along with proxy advisors like Glass Lewis, which has disagreed with JPMorgan’s board on recent matters including executive compensation and whether the bank should separate the chairman and CEO roles in the future.

“Shame on you if that’s how you vote,” Dimon said. “Seriously, you should be embarrassed. Do your own homework.”

Companies are being driven out of public markets “because of litigation, regulation, press, cookie-cutter governance,” he added.  

Meanwhile, other critics often conflate stakeholder capitalism for being “woke,” Dimon said.  “I am a red-blooded, free market capitalist and I’m not woke,” he said.

“All we’re saying is when we wake up in the morning, we give a s--- about serving customers, earning their respect, earning their repeat business.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/01/jamie-dimon-says-brace-yourself-for-an-economic-hurricane-caused-by-the-fed-and-ukraine-war.html


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It seems the current era will be defined by the polar opposite to QE (quantitative easing) which they are calling QT (quantitative tightening). With a claimed $95 billion a month in reduced federal reserve bond holdings. With the fed officially being recognized as one of the largest holders of US bonds, that shift could have a significant affect on markets.

If big players like banks are being conservative and switching to bear strategies. Those trends could carry over to smaller players. Which raises interesting questions of which assets are expected to perform best under future circumstances. One place to start is by keyword searching: "best recession performing assets" and allowing things to progress from there. Although I think its fair to say that most investment wisdom dates back to a pre internet age and doesn't include many modern innovations.

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