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Those who think that the taxes are going to be paid by the rich, when in reality the middle and working classes bear the brunt of the tax burden. Yelen must be desperate. She knows that tax hikes often result in lower revenues, which is why she is making this move. Basically, what they want to do is to continue squandering money and not have any consequences, but they cannot.

The rich never pay their tax, because most of their income is in the form of assets that are stored in off-shore tax havens and capital gains. And capital assets are taxed only if they are sold. There is no tax applicable on unrealized capital gains. All these tax increases will have the maximum impact on the middle class, especially those living in high-tax states such as California and New York. The same with corporate tax as well. If they increase the corporate tax, then the companies will move out to Mexico and other low-tax countries and American products will be unable to compete against Chinese products. Also, middle-class and poor Americans will lose their jobs, as the factories close down.
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I don't know what sort of people vote for a party that promises to increase the taxes.

Those who think that the taxes are going to be paid by the rich, when in reality the middle and working classes bear the brunt of the tax burden. Yelen must be desperate. She knows that tax hikes often result in lower revenues, which is why she is making this move. Basically, what they want to do is to continue squandering money and not have any consequences, but they cannot.







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Trump is a very weird person and made some bad decisions, but here we see how much good he made reducing taxes...

I think any "unified global tax rate"  would be terrible, and specially good for China. They will not follow those rules and will get benefits from it.

Those global pacts usually also hurt the sovereignty of the countries, which won't be able to attract companies when they need to create more jobs, neither get more money from taxes when they need...

My 2 cents, I think the less rules, the better. Governments world wide already make so many rules, we don't need a "central government" with more rules to all of them.
Trump is not weird, he was smart actually, his term were focused on taking care of laws that will protect his businesses and its interest and making sure that opposition is going to have a hard time. You don't have to worry about China because they are part of the G20 and right now, Chinese labor is getting expensive, have you heard that Apple is slowly moving towards India.
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I don't think even Janet Yellen herself is sure that other countries will support her call. It's just that campaign promises were made to raise corporate taxes if a representative of the Democratic Party wins, and now it's time to show the voters that the work on fulfilling the promises is underway. Wink There is information that the proposed increase in the tax rate can be withdrawn from individual states, which with their reduced rates would not mind attracting corporations to their territory.

I don't know what sort of people vote for a party that promises to increase the taxes. And look at the people who are supporting this move. Amazon has evaded taxes for long, using various loopholes. They have welcomed the rise in corporate tax (fully knowing that they will be able to evade paying most of it once again). Those corporations which are honestly paying their taxes such as Tesla have reacted negatively to this news. 
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In preparation for the Biden's administration planned hike of the US corporate tax from 21% to 28%. Janet Yellen will propose G20 nations coordinate to legislate a global corporate tax rate to prevent amazon and others from moving operations from the USA to other nations with lower corporate taxes.

This conflict is a macrocosm of current events. Where Elon Musk and tesla fled high taxation california for low taxation texas. States like new york and california have hemorrhaged a steady outflux of residents and business to states with lower taxes like florida over the last few years.

There is a question of whether countries like puerto rico would support a planned global corporate tax. Many nations could stand to lose significantly if they were forced to raise corporate taxes. Low corporate taxes are how some countries attract business and residents to invest in their regions. Would they be willing to part with some of their key economic and financial advantages simply for the sake of punishing US corporations like amazon with higher taxes?
This is called tax harmonization and it has been the dream of US policy makers for decades, but it is never going to happen, countries are not going to go against their own self-interests just because the US wants this to happen, many countries depend on low or no taxes to bring capital to their countries and they are not going to let go of their main form of income just for the US government to be happy, so they will fail on their mission and many businesses are going to leave the US as they are not going to tolerate to pay more taxes especially after a pandemic left them in a difficult economical position.
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You can not call for a global unified corporate tax rate when you are not fully aware of the economic state of other countries,  there are many countries who's economic are in a bad state and needs the support of advanced countries like the USA for continuous survival, how do you tell such countries to increase tax rate from 21% to 28%, maybe with the 21% tax most companies already producing at loss, some must have fold up and seek better alternatives elsewhere,
I don't see many countries accepting this call, otherwise that will mean a deliberate economic self destruction. The earlier they forfeit this ridiculous idea the better for everyone.
I don't think even Janet Yellen herself is sure that other countries will support her call. It's just that campaign promises were made to raise corporate taxes if a representative of the Democratic Party wins, and now it's time to show the voters that the work on fulfilling the promises is underway. Wink There is information that the proposed increase in the tax rate can be withdrawn from individual states, which with their reduced rates would not mind attracting corporations to their territory.
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You can not call for a global unified corporate tax rate when you are not fully aware of the economic state of other countries,  there are many countries who's economic are in a bad state and needs the support of advanced countries

This makes that call invalid from inception already. Every country is peculiar and their financial strength are not the same. You can't compare the developed nations to the less developed where the government is corrupt and taxes are even evaded. A unified tax system is not visible because I don't is the proper call now, that is not what the world needs. The world needs good government, economy, employment, low inflation rate, good condition of life and not unified tax structure.
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You can not call for a global unified corporate tax rate when you are not fully aware of the economic state of other countries,  there are many countries who's economic are in a bad state and needs the support of advanced countries like the USA for continuous survival, how do you tell such countries to increase tax rate from 21% to 28%, maybe with the 21% tax most companies already producing at loss, some must have fold up and seek better alternatives elsewhere,
I don't see many countries accepting this call, otherwise that will mean a deliberate economic self destruction. The earlier they forfeit this ridiculous idea the better for everyone.

I agree, it's just not feasible to create a global unified tax scheme at the moment. Countries are just to different. Sure the USA is hurting when their companies keep money overseas but there is no real alternative at the moment. I would never expect small countries to change their tax laws to help USA. For example Ireland, a very small country that has no real exports. There is no chance this country could survive on its own. They need their low tax rates so companies stay in Dublin. One address is the home to 10,000+ companies, most of them just shell companies. But still,its very important for these small countries.
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getting g20 countries to apply a unified corporation tax rate wont change anything
the companies will just have a HQ in one of the other 170 countries
yes they will operate in america and G20 countries but run them as franchises where their 'profit' gets transported to the non G20 countries as 'management fee's'.. thus have no 'profit' within the G20 and thus no corporation tax to pay

I'm not sure if this proposal was part of the promise of the new American president, but I think it's just ordinary populism that could very easily end up as a proposal to increase the minimum working hour to $15, which I don't think has passed. Even if this proposal is accepted by all G20 members, companies will find a way out and outwit the system again, no matter how it was set up.

It seems to me that the US wants to create an awkward situation for itself, and for all G20 members - as you say, there are 170+ more destinations that will be very happy to provide shelter for more favorable taxes.
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You can not call for a global unified corporate tax rate when you are not fully aware of the economic state of other countries,  there are many countries who's economic are in a bad state and needs the support of advanced countries like the USA for continuous survival, how do you tell such countries to increase tax rate from 21% to 28%, maybe with the 21% tax most companies already producing at loss, some must have fold up and seek better alternatives elsewhere,
I don't see many countries accepting this call, otherwise that will mean a deliberate economic self destruction. The earlier they forfeit this ridiculous idea the better for everyone.
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It does make sense, but not in the way that Yellen envisions it.

It is the US and other advanced economies who needs to lower their corporate tax rates in order to converge with the rest of the world. Their cost of doing business is simply too high for any major startups to launch there. Unfortunately the pool of talent in the U.S. means that they can get away with charging these high corporate tax rates, but I suspect not for long until major firms start moving offshore too (already happened with a bunch of them).

Instead of blaming the competition, how about reflecting internally for once and adjusting your policy accordingly?

Completely agreed. Janet Yellen seems to have lost her mental balance and that may be the reason why she is making such absurd statements. Take this - the American government increases the corporate tax in their jurisdiction from 21% to 28% and then orders the other countries to do the same. What do they think they are? The days of colonialism are over, and the other countries don't need to listen to deranged people like Yellen. If the regime is worried that more and more companies may move abroad due to high taxes, then they need to decrease them. On the other hand they have gone for a tax increase when the companies are getting whacked by the pandemic and the biggest tax evader (Jeff Bezos) is supporting the move.
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It does make sense, but not in the way that Yellen envisions it.

It is the US and other advanced economies who needs to lower their corporate tax rates in order to converge with the rest of the world. Their cost of doing business is simply too high for any major startups to launch there. Unfortunately the pool of talent in the U.S. means that they can get away with charging these high corporate tax rates, but I suspect not for long until major firms start moving offshore too (already happened with a bunch of them).

Instead of blaming the competition, how about reflecting internally for once and adjusting your policy accordingly?
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  • Now he’s deploying her to convince international finance ministers and central bankers that the world’s biggest economies need to act in concert on corporate rates to avoid a race to the bottom.

I believe this is founded upon a wrong premise. There is something terribly wrong with this. There is no race to the bottom among countries here. There is only a race to the bottom between the US and time.

If I may interpret this, I would say the US, more than the rest, is now being seriously threatened that other countries have more to offer in terms of corporate tax incentives and benefits that huge companies are enticed to let go of the US and start operating somewhere overseas.

To me, this is an attempt of the US to stifle global competition between countries at least as far as corporate tax rates are concerned. Why should other countries, especially the much poorer ones, fall for this trap when, in the first place, they are setting low corporate tax rates in order to attract foreign investors?

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There is a question of whether countries like puerto rico would support a planned global corporate tax.

Last I heard Puerto Rico is still part of the United States.
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getting g20 countries to apply a unified corporation tax rate wont change anything

the companies will just have a HQ in one of the other 170 countries
yes they will operate in america and G20 countries but run them as franchises where their 'profit' gets transported to the non G20 countries as 'management fee's'.. thus have no 'profit' within the G20 and thus no corporation tax to pay

its how companies do it already and nothing will change

what needs to happen is to actually do a proper sales tax. where companies have to hand over tax from the sales they make within the country before its syphoned off or diluted by 'hidden costs'

UK has a sales tax(VAT) of 20% .. US has under 8% sales tax.. and thats where the treasury deficit is being hit the most

raising corporation tax solves nothing due to all the tax loopholes
biden should raise the sales tax

and no its not going to cause a large change in product sales prices. as corporations should be paying 20%+ anyway.. but this way they have to pay it. and not be able to syphon/dilute their tax bill using loopholes
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Too entitled to propose these types of ideas. I think the best thing to make the economy great again is to enhance financing with better rates, not to increase tax. I find it stupid to increase corporate tax alone, of course making all countries calibrated is much worst. I don’t think this will work.

I highly understand that corporations might be earning more, but the stress, time, and risk they take are somehow different from normal people. If that’s the case, they would choose to be a normal person instead of giving the best out of their businesses.
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Yellen seems to have lost her sanity, which is not very surprising given her advanced age. Biden should be careful in selecting these 70 plus and 80 plus people for key posts, as they may not be having mental capability to make important decisions. The demand that other nations should also raise the corporate tax is not just ridiculous, but laughable as well. Why should foreign nations align their tax rates with that of the United States?
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Lots of people seem to be stating the obvious here.  Clearly it's not realistic to think that every country will play along.  But think it through.  If the US is going ahead with their own increase regardless, then there are literally no downsides in attempting to convince other countries to do it too.  Every nation that does raise theirs is a bonus.

I swear most of the participants in the thread are simply venting because they despise Biden/Yellen or progressive policies in general.  You can argue the pros and cons of the tax rate itself, but you can't dispute the distinct lack of negatives if they can reach an agreement and work with other countries.
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USA cannot influence any country in the world to raise it's corporate tax.This is ridiculous.
I want the major corporations to pay higher taxes,but a global minimum corporate tax isn't the solution.
USA must remove all the "hidden doors" in the tax legislation,so all the big companies should stop legally avoiding tax payments.This would be a way better policy,rather than trying to raise the corporate tax or trying to convince other countries to raise their taxes.
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Many nations could stand to lose significantly if they were forced to raise corporate taxes. Low corporate taxes are how some countries attract business and residents to invest in their regions. Would they be willing to part with some of their key economic and financial advantages simply for the sake of punishing US corporations like amazon with higher taxes?

Yes, exactly. There is zero chance of getting an international consensus on this... beyond setting the 'minimum' at some absurdly low level that is absolutely meaningless.
Countries are terrified of a flight of capital if they increase their taxes... this is I believe a myth perpetuated by those companies and individuals that would be affected. "Don't tax us, or we'll leave!" is an empty threat.
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This is when they know the limit of the jurisdictions they have in every country, they think they can just dictate something and everyone will follow. And what would they now do if other country doesn't care about this? 

Other countries are purposely making the taxes low to attract investors and making companies establish in their country. China is just one of them. I don't think China will take part in this.
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