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Topic: Jerusalem Post: Bitcoin is for terrorism - page 2. (Read 4334 times)

legendary
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How about dentist/doctor?
Insert it into the same pattern and see if it makes sense. I imagine it will fall apart in the very first sentence.

Cutting in people is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most doctors cross the line

+1 Exactly my point.
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How about dentist/doctor?
Insert it into the same pattern and see if it makes sense. I imagine it will fall apart in the very first sentence.

Cutting in people is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most doctors cross the line
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If they do it its terrorism, if the states do it, it's noble defense. If you're North Korean and US stealth bombers are flying over your head, your perspective might be different. If you're Iranian you know about the 1953 coup d'état by BP. and so on. If HSBC or Starbucks is doing money laundering that's just second nature. But if people use the same tools, that's the end of the world.
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How about dentist/doctor? It may hurt a little there and then, but you'll be better off in the long run if you visit them from time to time.

Evil is the genesis block of government. Healing is the genesis block of medicine.
legendary
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How about dentist/doctor?
Insert it into the same pattern and see if it makes sense. I imagine it will fall apart in the very first sentence.
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Government is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most governments cross the line.
One way you can test whether your syllogism is valid or complete nonsense is to replace the object addressed by it with other similar ones and see if the reasoning still holds.

What happens when you replace "government", which you identify as an evil, with other evils? Does the concept of "necessary evil" make any sense at all?

Rape is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most rapists cross the line.
Child abuse is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most abusers cross the line.
Murder is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most murders cross the line.



How about dentist/doctor? It may hurt a little there and then, but you'll be better off in the long run if you visit them from time to time.
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Government is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most governments cross the line.
One way you can test whether your syllogism is valid or complete nonsense is to replace the object addressed by it with other similar ones and see if the reasoning still holds.

What happens when you replace "government", which you identify as an evil, with other evils? Does the concept of "necessary evil" make any sense at all?

Rape is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most rapists cross the line.
Child abuse is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most abusers cross the line.
Murder is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most murders cross the line.



You could be a political speech writer, your examples with substituted words sounds just like something I heard on TV the other day.
legendary
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Government is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most governments cross the line.
One way you can test whether your syllogism is valid or complete nonsense is to replace the object addressed by it with other similar ones and see if the reasoning still holds.

What happens when you replace "government", which you identify as an evil, with other evils? Does the concept of "necessary evil" make any sense at all?

Rape is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most rapists cross the line.
Child abuse is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most abusers cross the line.
Murder is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most murders cross the line.

legendary
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This thread has so much potential for....
FML, I can't wait...  Cheesy
legendary
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Israel has a state.

I believe in the rule of law. Government is an evil, but it is a necessary evil. That being said, I do think most governments cross the line.

Terrorism is different though. There is a difference between the Boston Marathon, Lockerbie Bombing, and the World Trade Center vs Elvis Prestly's arrest for speeding.

Even in the case of wholly oppressive regimes like China and North Korea, terrorism is not the right word.
legendary
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So the Israeli terrorists (state-backed terrorists) are saying that Bitcoin can be used by non-state-backed terrorists, and are therefore bad?

Sweet.

I agree that the article is outrageous, anything can be used for crime, but explain how the Israelis are terrorists? They get murdered by Nazis and finally get (back) a homeland (that they used to own) and since then have been bombed, missiled, invaded, kidnapped, etc. Sure, like any nation they have made mistakes, I'm no Isrealophile, but I'm not sure that their largely (maybe overzealous) self-defense is terrorism.

How about their settlements outside the mandated borders?

Just because the UN says something is right doesn't make it right. Hell, I thought we were mostly Libertarians here, but anyone who disagrees with the UN is a terrorist?  Wink
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There are no mandated borders because the Arabs have never agreed to any peace agreement....according to international law...the west bank is either disputed territory or israeli territory.  The only existing rulings by an international legal body have three times designated that territory for Israel....so despite the nutty religious beliefs of many of the settlers...the argument about the settlements is empty rhetoric repeated so much that people have just started to accept it as fact
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So the Israeli terrorists (state-backed terrorists) are saying that Bitcoin can be used by non-state-backed terrorists, and are therefore bad?

Sweet.

I agree that the article is outrageous, anything can be used for crime, but explain how the Israelis are terrorists? They get murdered by Nazis and finally get (back) a homeland (that they used to own) and since then have been bombed, missiled, invaded, kidnapped, etc. Sure, like any nation they have made mistakes, I'm no Isrealophile, but I'm not sure that their largely (maybe overzealous) self-defense is terrorism.

How about their settlements outside the mandated borders?
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I heard Judson-Christian ideologies could be used for terrorism too. Maybe we should gas the lot of em?

Did you mean Judeo-Christian?  I, and Google, tried hard without much luck...


lol, I just assumed he (Judson-Christian) was some guy I had never heard of, I didn't even see the link
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Killing and stealing are sins after all holly books.
But terrorism and money laundering are just manipulative expressions to make schizophrenia in your brain.
You have to accept as normal if powerful states who have the total control are killing innocent childrens with bombs and napalm then making heroes who have done or gave the order but you must condemn those who are not backed by state power and doing the same in a smaller extent.
You have to accept if the state is stealing(confiscating) your money or making it without value with inflation but you have to condemn those who want to hide their savings buying gold, diamonds and want to bring it over the border to a safe place(this is evil money laundering and smuggling).
That concept was not different over the history. The difference is just that during the last 100 years states increased more and more their control over the people.
Now they know all the time where you are and what you have and they can take it any time.
Bitcoin cannot definitively stop this process that we loose control over our life can just create a little bit balance.
Is that so bad if the state cannot confiscate any time from anybody all his savings ?
DO YOU WANT THE TOTAL CONTROL ?
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If we go back to the stone age terrorists will use stones.

We could go back before the stone age before the terrorists developed stones.
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thats like saying fiat is bad because its used by someone to partake in a crime, totally irrelevant
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I heard Judson-Christian ideologies could be used for terrorism too. Maybe we should gas the lot of em?

Did you mean Judeo-Christian?  I, and Google, tried hard without much luck...
legendary
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explain how the Israelis are terrorists?

Israel has a state.  You don't keep your people in line by telling them they can do whatever they want.  You strike fear in their little hearts by telling them if they do something you don't like, you'll throw them in jail.

You disguise this as being for their own good; you make killing illegal, even if it won't stop killing.  You make thievery illegal, even if it won't stop thieving.  You then introduce the idea of treason, to ensure nobody will question your rule.  Then, when you have these pieces in play, you have the sanction of God to kill whomever you need to by labeling them terrorists.  This is all, of course, extremely violent, and if it isn't violent, it's the promise of violence (otherwise known as intimidation.)

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ter·ror·ism 
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Noun
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Yes, this does mean all governments incite terror in their people.  Thus, Israel, as a nation with a state, are terrorists.
legendary
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April 19, 2013, 10:36:30 PM
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So the Israeli terrorists (state-backed terrorists) are saying that Bitcoin can be used by non-state-backed terrorists, and are therefore bad?

Sweet.

I agree that the article is outrageous, anything can be used for crime, but explain how the Israelis are terrorists? They get murdered by Nazis and finally get (back) a homeland (that they used to own) and since then have been bombed, missiled, invaded, kidnapped, etc. Sure, like any nation they have made mistakes, I'm no Isrealophile, but I'm not sure that their largely (maybe overzealous) self-defense is terrorism.
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