So whats going on with David why did he just drop the Jinn project ?
Topic: Jinn/IOTA - What is really going on? (Read 13580 times)
IOTA has a very good temporal advantage in spite of the other ones.
When IOTA to bittrex ?
And compared to these 2, it has the most advanced eco system with working wallet, smart contracts so this has good potential.When IOTA to bittrex ?
IOTA is not on Bittrex yet, but is already had its great growth and still has good potential in the future. On Bittrex, they offer another DAG based crypto - Byteball, compared to growth of IOTA (10bil USD marketcap) or Raiblocks (2.8bil USD marketcap), it has the growth phase still ahead (680mil USD marketcap). And compared to these 2, it has the most advanced eco system with working wallet, smart contracts so this has good potential.
When IOTA to bittrex ?
A nice update on IOTA can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iota-manual-claims-tracker-unofficial-2000113 by Jean-Luc, the lead dev of NXT. He compares IOTA to a scam.
It seems IOTA still hasn't finished the claims process and refuses to even respond to emails from investors about this, but instead choses to reply with threats and KYC measures, and of course by trolling the topic.
It seems IOTA still hasn't finished the claims process and refuses to even respond to emails from investors about this, but instead choses to reply with threats and KYC measures, and of course by trolling the topic.
The purpose of this thread is to document the outstanding IOTA manual claims, and the response, if any, they have received from the IOTA team.
The IOTA team has ignored my request to make the process transparent and to publish a list of these claims with the status of each of them. Since they also do not respond to emails or PMs, and there is no clear and up to date information regarding what constitutes a valid claim request, there is a real danger that after the arbitrarily set deadline of July 11th many of the manual claims will be rejected as not submitted in time, or not containing enough information.
I am asking all participants in the IOTA ICO who still did not receive their IOTA, despite having submitted a claim, to document this fact by posting in this thread:
1. The IOTA Genesis account address to which you hold the seed (NOT the seed itself).
2. A copy of the claim(s) you have submitted (with any confidential info removed).
Participating in this thread does NOT constitute a claim submission. You still need to submit your claim to the IOTA team, but posting in this thread should help document what and when you have submitted.
To reduce noise and trolling, I will be moderating this thread and will allow only posts from IOTA stakeholders (containing the above info), or official responses from the IOTA team.
The IOTA team has ignored my request to make the process transparent and to publish a list of these claims with the status of each of them. Since they also do not respond to emails or PMs, and there is no clear and up to date information regarding what constitutes a valid claim request, there is a real danger that after the arbitrarily set deadline of July 11th many of the manual claims will be rejected as not submitted in time, or not containing enough information.
I am asking all participants in the IOTA ICO who still did not receive their IOTA, despite having submitted a claim, to document this fact by posting in this thread:
1. The IOTA Genesis account address to which you hold the seed (NOT the seed itself).
2. A copy of the claim(s) you have submitted (with any confidential info removed).
Participating in this thread does NOT constitute a claim submission. You still need to submit your claim to the IOTA team, but posting in this thread should help document what and when you have submitted.
To reduce noise and trolling, I will be moderating this thread and will allow only posts from IOTA stakeholders (containing the above info), or official responses from the IOTA team.
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Because we can see along the shadow lines of the fourth dimension that your scientists call heaven
"May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;"
Ephesians 3:18 (KJV)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+3%3A18&version=KJV
"ut possitis conprehendere cum omnibus sanctis quae sit latitudo et longitudo et sublimitas et profundum"
Ephesians 3:18 (Latin Vulgate)
https://www.blueletterbible.org/vul/eph/3/18/s_1100018
Greek versions
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B49C003.htm#V18
https://www.blueletterbible.org/vul/eph/3/1/t_conc_1100018
https://www.blueletterbible.org/rvr60/eph/3/1/t_conc_1100018
https://www.blueletterbible.org/mgnt/eph/3/1/s_1100018
https://www.blueletterbible.org/tr/eph/3/1/t_conc_1100018
Lol ha ha
Where did you get that. Its horrific!! Jesus Christ! Oh, sorry
Where did you get that. Its horrific!! Jesus Christ! Oh, sorry
Iota will be the perfect coin. No scaling issues. Brand new way to make the ledger. Talk about not cloning, lol. It doesn't have a blockchain, it has a Tangle which is much more sophisticated, and lighter.
And they have a plan, IoT
And they have a plan, IoT
Obvious scam. Pure and (elaborately) simple.
Thank you for your elaborate analysis.
Obvious scam. Pure and (elaborately) simple.
shit
smooth real name Risto Pietila (https://twitter.com/ristopietila) is a MONERO owner, he write against all other coins except for MONERO.
He is a professional, he is part of a team and he troll for bloody money.
reference here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/null-input-error-1233817
Your reference is iffy...in the AEON thread, in his everyday patter there, smooth shows a lot of technical knowledge. If he were Risto, then Risto's also one helluva techie.
Most people who are here can see that Risto and Smooth are not same persons.
But even if somehow one guy would be able to be so opposite, i am sure that Smooth quarry would not have so much problems staring making profit while quarrying stone in Crypto Kingdom game. At that time, about half year ago, game was run on Google spreadsheet and on IRC. Risto was rolling dices, since he organized that stone quarries subgame. Smooth struggled so hard to find the magic formula. He bought all drills, shovels, workers, secretaries, security guys, ... Just to try to get his quarry profitable. If Risto and smooth would be same persons then smooth quarry would run profitable first week and not after a month or two and hge investments.
shit
smooth real name Risto Pietila (https://twitter.com/ristopietila) is a MONERO owner, he write against all other coins except for MONERO.
He is a professional, he is part of a team and he troll for bloody money.
reference here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/null-input-error-1233817
Your reference is iffy...in the AEON thread, in his everyday patter there, smooth shows a lot of technical knowledge. If he were Risto, then Risto's also one helluva techie.
For my German Altcoinblog I have interviewed IOTA-CEO David Sønstebø aka iotatoken. I think this interview could be also very interesting for the English-Speaking Community so I created two versions:
English: https://altcoinspekulant.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/iota-interview-with-ceo-david-sonstebo-english-version/
German: https://altcoinspekulant.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/iota-interview-mit-ceo-david-sonstebo/
Yes, my English could be better, I know
English: https://altcoinspekulant.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/iota-interview-with-ceo-david-sonstebo-english-version/
German: https://altcoinspekulant.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/iota-interview-mit-ceo-david-sonstebo/
Yes, my English could be better, I know
Btw, regarding your use of statistics to claim some properties of a hash function:
http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/34523/is-it-appropriate-to-use-haveged-as-a-source-of-entropy-on-virtual-machines#comment92979_34552
I realize you were only modeling it as a "transformation function", but depending on the intended usage, those statistics may not being stating much. I didn't really dig in enough to know... just saw that from Tom Leek and thought I'd pass it along...
http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/34523/is-it-appropriate-to-use-haveged-as-a-source-of-entropy-on-virtual-machines#comment92979_34552
Quote from: Tom Leek
I may also add that I have some reservations about trusting people for implementing a PRNG, when they show that their framework for testing their results is statistical tests, which, by definition, are terrible for cryptographic usages. This does not bode well.
Cryptographers use detailed and thorough peer review to get some assurance that their design is not obviously bad. Now that's not really great. My point, though, is that statistical tests are terrible at evaluating security. Such tests can only detect extremely poor and weak PRNG. It is easy to make a PRNG which will pass all such tests (hey, even a LFSR can do it). From a cryptographer's point of view, it is not even worth reporting. To make an analogy: it looks like a car manufacturer who publishes big ads stating that his cars are great because he has ve-ri-fied that they have wheels.
Cryptographers use detailed and thorough peer review to get some assurance that their design is not obviously bad. Now that's not really great. My point, though, is that statistical tests are terrible at evaluating security. Such tests can only detect extremely poor and weak PRNG. It is easy to make a PRNG which will pass all such tests (hey, even a LFSR can do it). From a cryptographer's point of view, it is not even worth reporting. To make an analogy: it looks like a car manufacturer who publishes big ads stating that his cars are great because he has ve-ri-fied that they have wheels.
I realize you were only modeling it as a "transformation function", but depending on the intended usage, those statistics may not being stating much. I didn't really dig in enough to know... just saw that from Tom Leek and thought I'd pass it along...
The creators of Keccak (SHA-3) proved that a hash function based on the sponge construction is as secure as its transformation function. This isn't true for LFSR and Merkle-Damgard. The quote talks about PRNG, of course, noone will base security proof of a hash function on its statistical tests, but these tests are the must to show how good confusion and diffusion are.
sorry no one care, it's just a get rich quick scam crap that no one would bother. idea after idea of get rich quick scam throwing around and jinno/tota is no different. LOL, the name, it sound perfect. this get rich quick scam altcoin world sound just like fairy tale.
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
This is different than paycon. Paycon was a 110% scam built on a mountain of lies.
Triangle is an actual company, Jinn is an actual attempt at creating marketable ternary hardware and IOTA is actual software not vaporware. I might not agree with David on some issues, but this is a legitimate company with real products. You and I might not think that there is a large market for this type of hardware/software, but that does not make it "get rich quick scam crap". This substantially better than a lot of other alt coins / crypto businesses because they are a real enterprise actually trying to do something unique.
you need to be smarter than this.
paycon, paycoin or iota/jinto are all the same
i don't reply to all the dumb/stupid/nonsense threads that don't mean i haven't read it. the level of ignorance and dumbness in crypto is way beyond anyone would think.
paycoin, gaw miners and paycon. let me know the different, similarity and how they're related to one another. you can just ignore my inquiry but chance is i would ignore your crap just like i have ignored thousands of other craps like your.
the story of this reply is just to proved you're one ignorant moron or just greed/scam have blinded you. you think i wouldn't know what is paycoin or paycon.
i have seen it all and chance i've warned majority of them.
hint; gaw miners is a legitimate scam company, well, just like your triangle.
I've been in crypto a long time too and seen a lot of scams. Imo, Triangle is trying to be a legitimate company with legitimate products. Paycoin / Gaw Miners was started to perpetuate a scam on novices. They are two totally different things. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I think Triangle / Jinn / Iota is a good investment and will make you money because I think imo they have a lot of hurdles to overcome. I'm not an investor in any of them, Triangle, Jinn or Iota. But, I'm not going to say that they are a scam though because that would be an outright lie. Imo, they have good intentions to deliver on their promises.
yes, the promises of getting rich first then moving on. i already figured this is just a shill thread to bring a shit idea out of a rat hole. one crack and i got my answer
sorry no one care, it's just a get rich quick scam crap that no one would bother. idea after idea of get rich quick scam throwing around and jinno/tota is no different. LOL, the name, it sound perfect. this get rich quick scam altcoin world sound just like fairy tale.
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
This is different than paycon. Paycon was a 110% scam built on a mountain of lies.
Triangle is an actual company, Jinn is an actual attempt at creating marketable ternary hardware and IOTA is actual software not vaporware. I might not agree with David on some issues, but this is a legitimate company with real products. You and I might not think that there is a large market for this type of hardware/software, but that does not make it "get rich quick scam crap". This substantially better than a lot of other alt coins / crypto businesses because they are a real enterprise actually trying to do something unique.
you need to be smarter than this.
paycon, paycoin or iota/jinto are all the same
i don't reply to all the dumb/stupid/nonsense threads that don't mean i haven't read it. the level of ignorance and dumbness in crypto is way beyond anyone would think.
paycoin, gaw miners and paycon. let me know the different, similarity and how they're related to one another. you can just ignore my inquiry but chance is i would ignore your crap just like i have ignored thousands of other craps like your.
the story of this reply is just to proved you're one ignorant moron or just greed/scam have blinded you. you think i wouldn't know what is paycoin or paycon.
i have seen it all and chance i've warned majority of them.
hint; gaw miners is a legitimate scam company, well, just like your triangle.
I've been in crypto a long time too and seen a lot of scams. Imo, Triangle is trying to be a legitimate company with legitimate products. Paycoin / Gaw Miners was started to perpetuate a scam on novices. They are two totally different things. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I think Triangle / Jinn / Iota is a good investment and will make you money because I think imo they have a lot of hurdles to overcome. I'm not an investor in any of them, Triangle, Jinn or Iota. But, I'm not going to say that they are a scam though because that would be an outright lie. Imo, they have good intentions to deliver on their promises.
sorry no one care, it's just a get rich quick scam crap that no one would bother. idea after idea of get rich quick scam throwing around and jinno/tota is no different. LOL, the name, it sound perfect. this get rich quick scam altcoin world sound just like fairy tale.
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
This is different than paycon. Paycon was a 110% scam built on a mountain of lies.
Triangle is an actual company, Jinn is an actual attempt at creating marketable ternary hardware and IOTA is actual software not vaporware. I might not agree with David on some issues, but this is a legitimate company with real products. You and I might not think that there is a large market for this type of hardware/software, but that does not make it "get rich quick scam crap". This substantially better than a lot of other alt coins / crypto businesses because they are a real enterprise actually trying to do something unique.
you need to be smarter than this.
paycon, paycoin or iota/jinto are all the same
i don't reply to all the dumb/stupid/nonsense threads that don't mean i haven't read it. the level of ignorance and dumbness in crypto is way beyond anyone would think.
paycoin, gaw miners and paycon. let me know the different, similarity and how they're related to one another. you can just ignore my inquiry but chance is i would ignore your crap just like i have ignored thousands of other craps like your.
the story of this reply is just to proved you're one ignorant moron or just greed/scam have blinded you. you think i wouldn't know what is paycoin or paycon.
i have seen it all and chance i've warned majority of them.
hint; gaw miners is a legitimate scam company, well, just like your triangle.
sorry no one care, it's just a get rich quick scam crap that no one would bother. idea after idea of get rich quick scam throwing around and jinno/tota is no different. LOL, the name, it sound perfect. this get rich quick scam altcoin world sound just like fairy tale.
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
This is different than paycon. Paycon was a 110% scam built on a mountain of lies.
Triangle is an actual company, Jinn is an actual attempt at creating marketable ternary hardware and IOTA is actual software not vaporware. I might not agree with David on some issues, but this is a legitimate company with real products. You and I might not think that there is a large market for this type of hardware/software, but that does not make it "get rich quick scam crap". This substantially better than a lot of other alt coins / crypto businesses because they are a real enterprise actually trying to do something unique.
sorry no one care, it's just a get rich quick scam crap that no one would bother. idea after idea of get rich quick scam throwing around and jinno/tota is no different. LOL, the name, it sound perfect. this get rich quick scam altcoin world sound just like fairy tale.
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
adoption! adoption! adoptoin! adoption! and adoption!
any altcoins of having any mass adoption at this point is 0%. ah, trading and hype only.
remember the paycoin walmart, bestbuy and amazon etc... etc.. scam? LOL
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