Topic: John Bolton fired by President Trump - BREAKING (Read 985 times)

He said he would appear for the Senate trial if subpoenaed.

For the House he explained that he wanted a judge to rule on it to provide him legal cover and was surprised when the democrats just dropped it and moved without him.

He thinks the democrats royally fucked up by rushing the hearings for political reasons (the Feb primaries) and having such a narrow focus and there should've been several other charges and also testimony about non-impeachable things he did as evidence of his mindset as a leader.  Basically any time he met a dictator he tried to cut a deal not because it was in the best interest of the country, but to increase his chances of getting reelected. He did favors for China and Russia like ending criminal prosecutions and going easy on sanctions because he wanted them to want him to win in November.

If you're a big Trump fan, and you want to remain one in good conscious - your only option is to assume that Bolton made all of this up.

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Horrible move by the democrats to not give him the legal cover that he wanted. Doesn't make sense to move on without the guy who is probably holding the treasure trove of secrets in his head.

That pretty much leaves us with two options in regards to this book.

1. It's made up and that's the reason that Bolton didn't want to step in front of Congress and speak about it. He's a smart guy so he made up the portion about legal cover and it all worked out for him. Bolton had a profit incentive with making this book, and disregarded the truth when making it.

2. The book is truthful (or mostly truthful) and Bolton really felt that he didn't have the legal cover required to sit in front of congress and speak. He felt like the DOJ was going to go after him big time if he went in front of Congress (not sure on the precedent here, but I wouldn't be surprised)

Tough times, and only congressional oversight is going to get to the bottom of all of this.

He said he would appear for the Senate trial if subpoenaed.

For the House he explained that he wanted a judge to rule on it to provide him legal cover and was surprised when the democrats just dropped it and moved without him.

He thinks the democrats royally fucked up by rushing the hearings for political reasons (the Feb primaries) and having such a narrow focus and there should've been several other charges and also testimony about non-impeachable things he did as evidence of his mindset as a leader.  Basically any time he met a dictator he tried to cut a deal not because it was in the best interest of the country, but to increase his chances of getting reelected. He did favors for China and Russia like ending criminal prosecutions and going easy on sanctions because he wanted them to want him to win in November.

If you're a big Trump fan, and you want to remain one in good conscious - your only option is to assume that Bolton made all of this up.

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Pretty interesting take, and this is probably close to the truth. Never thought of it this way, totally good take TecShare.

In front of Congress if he was to lie or stretch the truth there would've been legal action threatened, though I doubt that Congress would've done anything on this front, they typically dont.

Right now he's still able to salavage a career with other Republicans who are moderate and anti Trump. Guy is just going to end up going into consulting like everyone else does, and he'll be able to live on with his 3m book advance -- if he can keep it that is.

Actually it shows he is full of shit. Lying to congress under oath is a crime. Lying in a book is not. He didn't say it in front of congress because he could legally be held responsible. If he just says it in a book he gets to attack Trump and manipulate the election with bullshit without facing possible criminal charges. It is really simple.

While the book may have some truth to it, I really think the fact that he didn't go in front of congress and answer their questions shows that all he wanted to do is profit from his book. While we all know that everyone (most people) write books with a profit incentive as the motive, it really does take away from the legitimacy of the claim.

If this story was different and he went in front of Congress and said all of these things and then wrote a book, then we'd be having a different conversation right now. But this really isn't a good look for Bolton.

Going to take some time to see if his claims are actually true.

The thread in which I said this, before spoon-feeding you something at your level?

Note that I deleted my post shortly after you scraped it. The reasons have to do with details of the subject and the writers and criticizers, and my personal knowledge of it. No problem, it is only one of many. Discussion of that article and its issues may or may not be relevant to the subject. but relevance cannot be proven.

Makes sense considering tabloids are your go to when it comes to science (or anything at all really).

It reads to me 100% ike a typical ghostwritten book, style of writing could be National Enquirer.

I am pretty sure it is from Bolton's book.

I have said before, and I would say that I still believe there is a hidden political objective with regards to Bolton.

It could be a trap to get Democrats to impeach based on flimsy evidence (again) for Bolton is recant. Or it could be an effort to get Trump to drop out of the race.

For starters, you don't even know where the snip came from.

Why is that?

Twitch has not provided a link. Don't know about you but I never accept a quote as accurate, complete, or even "not fake" unless verification of source and context is provided.

Of course I don't know that it's not made up.  

I do know that Trump says and does crazy shit all the time and from April 2018 - September 2019 Bolton was Trumps assistant for all things National Security.  

I did some digging on his past (did you know allegedly he was a swinger in the 70s?) and I'm about 30% of the way through his book - I'm sure not every single detail is accurate, but imo it seems very unlikely he just fabricated any of these claims to make his memoir more exciting.  

I think he's a history nerd that has consumed tons of books and already written two of his own.  If Trump never hired him he'd probably still write #3 and it would probably still be about Trump. (#2 was about Obama).

It's not the same as Scaramucci or Omarosa or Trump or Trump Jr who have ghost writers or at least hand holding throughout the writing process to make them feel like they wrote the book they're getting paid a shitload for.

How do you know this is not made up?

Prominent officials from both sides of the aisle have pointed out that Bolton's book is a cash grab. I shouldn't have to tell you that scandalous stories will sell more copies.

As it stands now, there is about as much evidence that Bolton's book is entirely accurate as there is evidence that the dossier on Trump created by Steele. I think most likely there is a lot of accurate information in both the dossier and Bolton's book, but also a lot of fabricated information, and it is difficult to determine what is true and what is made up.

It is like playing 'two truths and a lie', except you don't know the number of truths, nor lies.

Can't make this stuff up really.

None of this is a response to what I said.

From the chapter on the meeting in Vietnam with Kim Jong Un, Bolton trying to stop Trump from offering to ease sanctions in exchange for a joint statement saying that it was a successful summit instead of actually denuclearizing:



Right after they walk out of the meeting:

How the fuck would you know what I think and feel? It did concern me, but after the fact I know now why he did that. It was to send a signal to North Korea and Iran. He kept the mad dog on a leash, and when he was done with him he sent him off to be euthanized. This is why The Mustache is so salty because he is a tool and he didn't get to murder more innocent people, because Trump wouldn't let him.

Oh that's right. I forgot how upset you were when Trump decided to pick a war criminal to be his National Security Advisor.

jk.  I know you would never betray our dear leader by publicly criticizing him.

Of course they will drop the charges, he is doing this clearly to benefit the entrenched establishment, and you can't get a any more of that than with Biden. THis is about serving them and attempting to hurt Trump, because they know if it was a fair fight they would lose every time.



Again, I know you are desperate to conflate these two issues, but they are totally unrelated. The NDAs for getting classified clearance have been established policy for a very long time. I know you really enjoy using mental back flips and semantic gymnastics to try to appear to have an argument, but I don't see anyone saying it is "all lies". He can lie about the truth and tell the truth about lies and still have it contain classified information that is a threat to national security. Captain mustache is a war criminal and a disgruntled hawk who was dumped on his ass after he didn't get what he wanted, now he is trying to get even by further serving his establishment masters by trying to attack Trump.

That's why there is such a rush to publish this book, because it needs to get out before November to serve its intended goals. Bolton doesn't get to unilaterally decide to publish, and he knows this damned well. There was no confusion here, this is willful intent to cause harm on his part. Poor war criminal wants his constitutional rights even though he signed an agreement explicitly restricting them. It disgusts me how the left has no problem defending pieces of shit like this just as long as he is saying orange man bad. I remember when the left was actually anti-war. This man is one of the biggest war hawks still alive.

He's played the muhNDA card with Omorossa and Bannon.  Nothing came of it.  He's playing it with his niece right now also because of an NDA from 20 years ago.  He's just desperate to stop or discredit anyone that says mean things about him.  The books is all lies and also has classified information that is a threat to national security.  Think about that.

If Bolton included any information that the NSC director of prepublishing told him to remove, he deserves a stiff punishment.  If Trump is attempting to classify things only because he doesn't want the book published (like every single conversation between himself and Bolton), then he's attempting to violate Boltons constitutional rights.

Not sure on a Biden administration dropping charges against Bolton, what the guy did is still illegal and they're going to want to set an example out of him either way. Especially due to the fact that he didn't whistle blow the proper way, he went out of his way to try to enrich himself with a book. Not a good look at all.

Democrats are most likely not going to impeach, too little time to the election and the voters really don't even care about this whole Bolton situation. Much more fixated on the response to the Coronavirus.

Would love to see China stop stealing IP from the US, but who knows if that'll ever happen -- under any adminstration.