Topic: Journey to the Mars,Elon Musk vision! - page 3. (Read 1235 times)

There are a hundred types of technology that must be developed before humans go to Mars or the Moon to stay.

Those are either being worked on or they are not. If one believes Musk vision, then give him money for rockets, those technologies will be ignored or relegated to the back of the priorities.

And Where does that get you?

We've had rockets that were perfectly capable of getting us to Mars since Apollo. The delta-V thrust to Mars is less than the Moon.

Musk's vision is really overwhelming sometimes. But at least he has that kind of vision where it seemed so impossible for ordinary individuals. He already studied that possibility and from his perspectives it can be done. So maybe, it really can be done. But year 2025, it is like too soon to do that. Let us see in the coming years what's gonna be the progress on this mission.

50 million - 50 billion per person is a reasonable projection.

I think it's too early for the next 5 years to go to Mars. I absolutely do not believe in Elon Musk's vision if in the next 5 years will go and occupy the planet Mars.

hard to believe elon musk, spaceX and rocket projects that are currently being made (BFR: "Big Fucking Rocket"). Elon Musk is too ambitious in his mission, as reported at the International Astronautical Congress, which brings together around 4,000 world space experts in Adelaide, Australia. logic I do not believe it will all happen next 5 years, maybe if + -20 years in the future it will happen.
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I want to know how much it costs to fly to Mars with Elon Musk. Is 5 BTC enough?   Hahaha ,, LOL 

I have a lot of respect for Elon Musk and making close deadlines is a way for auto-motivation, but I don't think 5 years is a feasible timeframe. Maybe 15-20 years, but seriously now.. living on Mars is a lot of years ahead of us and second of all where is he going to find 1 million people willing to move planets?! lol  Of course that colonization of other planets is something that needs to come in the future as there is only so much population that the Earth can support.

So he's lying.

Let's keep it simple.

^^^ Right! Musk is making things happen. But a lot of them are failing. If he can only do a good enough job of the successes he has, he will get more money from government to live well while playing his games. Meanwhile, many of us live in poverty.

Anything is possible. So, the Musk Mars monstrosity has some little chance of working.

Musk's goal is to convince the population of his goals, then to get money from the government.

His vision isn't impossible. But the time period in which the aim is impossible. Because 5 years is like a flash of an eye in terms of such huge milestones, in 5 years technology moves about a millimetre high where as miles are needed in tech advancements to achieve such feats. But hopes should never die!

Its not impossible, but not necessarily economical or sensical.

What is cheaper? A colony:

Underwater (Earth)
Desert (Earth)
Poles (Artic/Antartic)
Orbit (Earth)
Lagrange points (spots in space where you can park things like rotating colonies/stations)
Orbit from different celestial objects (other planet/satellites)
Moon surface/underground/poles
Mars surface/underground/poles


I don't say it should not be done, tried/experimented, but it is far from being optimal. Good science can come from it, for example the Antarctic experience can help in Mars, but don't expect "millions" of people thrilled with the idea, i don't see a million people living in McMurdo, the largest in Antarctica, let alone in space or another planet.

As a matter of fact, that is precisely what i expect would be the possible "colonies", not too far in size from McMurdo (about a thousand people).

Find out how much USA spends in keeping that place alive. Logistics alone, and that isn't space, its just the southernmost continent on Earth.
There have been attempts to simulate enclosed colonies here on Earth, and they have failed. But in Mars (or Space) you can't call it quits and open the doors.

One big problem Elon may face is, that while he may get the capacity, there will simply not be such a high demand. He has other more pragmatic ideas, such as suborbital flights of cargo and passengers, or even giving tours to rich people to Moon orbit. Mars still looks far away, beyond possibly a small research station. It is even cheaper to put a station in (Mars) orbit, or perhaps even needed for remote controlling construction drones in the surface before landing any humans.

So yes, it looks far in time to me. Nothing wrong with the idea and vision tho.

So Elon Musk having a vision of achieving an impossible thing? I heard there is another space land in 2020 which is not going to bring any live matter to the Mars so five years enough to make the place as living condition?

It will be possible someday but dates like 2025 are absurd.  The technology to move enough resources to mars to start a colony of a million people won't even be available in our lifetimes. We barely have the technology to get there and back alive as visitors.  Its all just a fantasy based excuse for people who don't want to take care of the one planet we have that we are perfectly adapted to live on.

I wondered how long the humanity is going to survive in this world,we are hear for many thousand years but in the last 300 years technology development did more harm to the humans than goodness.

That's certainly true, but it only points to the huge amount of work in research and technology development that has to be done. And that has to be done here, on Earth, to build the support infrastructure that would be enabling for anything like a colony on Mars, the Moon, or one of the Lagrange points.

We are living in space where also not possible for human to survive.
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For some reason I believe this kind of statements, You see thousands of years ago we don't have an idea about the existence of microscopic life. we only knew it After they invented the microscope. My point is, maybe after so many years from now, they will be able to invent some technology to use for the people who want to live in mars. we cannot say it's impossible because we see with our own eyes the things that people nowadays can do.

IIRC you are correct, "nuclear winter" was created by some, including Sagan, as a scare tactic. Would it work on Mars?

No, because there is no magnetic field around Mars, as there is on Earth. And without that, the incoming solar will knock out your attempt at a new atmosphere, as soon as you can build it. But few people know these details.

As PT Barnum is supposed to have said, "There's a new sucker born every minute."

I guess the movie you are mentioning won an oscar right? I did watched it as well but its just the movie,anything can be changed with the technology development that is what his vision about.
We are living in space where also not possible for human to survive.

how can make civilization on mars ?? if the climate there is very extreme during the day and night.
our earth already has everything that humans need.
for me it was an impossible thing to do.

The nukes to provoke a nuclear winter and then a greenhouse effect is a very old theory that seems to be dismissed by the current scientific community (as terraforming method). Besides, no one is going to give him the nukes.

The railroad thing was mentioned by himself in one of his conferences, i don't think he wants to get involved in the actual building of colonies or terraforming Mars, beyond "giving ideas" for others to try, just like Hyperloop.