Judge Says NSA Phone Surveillance Is Legal

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Quote from: trilightzone.org on January 02, 2014, 09:51:03 AM

Usually what happens is "they" select a judge which will rule in their favor. It's that simple and has been done for many years to buy time, do damage control and so on.

I don't think that can be done at the federal level. You are in one of the 9 federal districts, you file your case. you get whichever judge is working that circuit at that time. Yes you might expect them to be liberally biased in DC or in the 9th circuit. But if your case had venue there that's where you'd be.

Someone who knows federal case might weigh in on this.

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Complacency is not the answer, nor does it alter the Constitution. Where you may be ok giving up rights in the name of the greatest sham ever released on America, not all of us are. And that doesn't mean anyone's doing anything wrong either. I'm surely not, and I don't care for every single aspect of my life being a matter of public info. "So be it" is exactly the attitude that is hurting our country. People who don't care shouldn't be involved, on any level.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2014, 10:20:16 AM

Could other countries or individuals of other countries take legal action against the USG? There must be something stopping people from suing etc.

The best that could do in the short term is embarrass the US publicly, as they would probably come up with some legal or moral excuse to not cooperate with the charges ("terr'ism").

The US government likes to have the best of both worlds; everyone else has to conform to the US' most stringent/"imaginative" interpretation of international agreements, but when the US itself has a charge to answer, it bats them off like a fly buzzing around their head.

Walks like an empire, talks like an empire. For some reason, no-one ever says it though... I might see if I can start a trend. "Imperialist US" sounds too polite somehow, "US empire" sounds less euphemistic.

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Could other countries or individuals of other countries take legal action against the USG? There must be something stopping people from suing etc.

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Quote from: trilightzone.org on January 02, 2014, 09:51:03 AM

Usually what happens is "they" select a judge which will rule in their favor. It's that simple and has been done for many years to buy time, do damage control and so on.

In US, the judges are selected by the Senate of Representatives. So what is so surprising, if the rulings are biased?

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Quote from: trilightzone.org on January 02, 2014, 09:51:03 AM

Usually what happens is "they" select a judge which will rule in their favor. It's that simple and has been done for many years to buy time, do damage control and so on.

Obviously they're never going to let an independent impartial person be the judge. Anybody who was would see this as completely illegal and against human rights.

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Usually what happens is "they" select a judge which will rule in their favor. It's that simple and has been done for many years to buy time, do damage control and so on.

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What are they going to do next, Implement tracking devices on newborns?

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This should outrage every American citizen. 9/11 happened because of govt incompetence. Having locking cockpit doors, as they do now, would have prevented it. Israeli airlines already had this feature in place years before 9/11.

Many of the hijackers were on known FBI terrorist watch lists, none of them should have been allowed to be here. The FBI agent who arrested the 20th hijacker prior to 9/11 warned superiors 100+ times what was going to happen, nobody did anything -all should have been fired and charged criminally.

The group responsible bombed the trade center and failed before, every time they were in court they said they would do it again - to allow anyone even vaguely connected to these maggots to live in the USA was criminally negligent - nobody was held accountable for allowing that to happen.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on December 31, 2013, 11:10:58 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 31, 2013, 06:10:32 AM

Quote from: U1TRA_L0RD on December 31, 2013, 03:56:48 AM

Yes, Soon there will be riots in america when the governemnt proposes another stupid thing. Civil war.

No. American people are too addicted to Facebook and Xbox that they will not take to the streets even if the government seizes their assets. Take a look at Ukraine and see how the people are protesting.

I agree with the above, but there should be protests, and if nothing changes, then people can riot.

2014 is the year for more rioting and stupid things to come. Governments on Judges asses bringing them to say no to the truth, and more guns to kill people. Then why were they invented for?

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 31, 2013, 06:10:32 AM

Quote from: U1TRA_L0RD on December 31, 2013, 03:56:48 AM

Yes, Soon there will be riots in america when the governemnt proposes another stupid thing. Civil war.

No. American people are too addicted to Facebook and Xbox that they will not take to the streets even if the government seizes their assets. Take a look at Ukraine and see how the people are protesting.

I agree with the above, but there should be protests, and if nothing changes, then people can riot.

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Quote from: U1TRA_L0RD on December 31, 2013, 03:56:48 AM

Yes, Soon there will be riots in america when the governemnt proposes another stupid thing. Civil war.

Governments would be wise to not propose so many stupid things that people riot. But of course they are not so wise, perceptive or intelligent.

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Quote from: U1TRA_L0RD on December 31, 2013, 03:56:48 AM

Yes, Soon there will be riots in america when the governemnt proposes another stupid thing. Civil war.

No. American people are too addicted to Facebook and Xbox that they will not take to the streets even if the government seizes their assets. Take a look at Ukraine and see how the people are protesting.

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Yes, Soon there will be riots in america when the governemnt proposes another stupid thing. Civil war.

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Bro, this is ridiculous, we are going down the shitter its so obvious, people are rioting in the world about the wrong stuff, we need to focus
on our priorities here and riot on important matters. I dont know what to say i am so sad when i read stuff like this.
Who is this dumbass judge anyways. shame.

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Bunch of repulsive freaks.

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Ok, so they shouldnt be whining and complaining when anonymous is taking down NSA servers. What happen to listening to the people, this country is feeling more like china and iraq.

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"Every day, people voluntarily surrender personal and seemingly-private information to trans-national corporations, which exploit that data for profit. Few think twice about it, even though it is far more intrusive that bulk telephony metadata collection."

Corporations do not make things illegal, and do not put people in jail. Big difference. Corporations also care about what customers think. Government agencies do not, since they are not elected. I am wondering if Anonymous, or some group similar, has already dox'ed all of the information of that judge. If not, I hope they do. It would be good for him to see why privacy is important.

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Quote from: quone17 on December 30, 2013, 05:02:02 PM

Quote from: hilariousandco on December 30, 2013, 09:59:24 AM

Quote from: nastybit on December 27, 2013, 09:29:08 PM

Also here: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/27/judge-rules-nsa-phone-data-collection-legal

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"Every day, people voluntarily surrender personal and seemingly-private information to trans-national corporations, which exploit that data for profit. Few think twice about it, even though it is far more intrusive that bulk telephony metadata collection."

Key word voluntarily. We have a right to decide what info we may or may not give out. Absolutely pathetic.

Good point. Man I started reading 1984 the other day and the similarities are shocking, even in the first few pages. No one has any guts to do anything, they'll just keep voting in the same old people.

Yup, scary indeed. The reality is much worse now. We have technology Orwell couldn’t even envision in his nightmares. I need to read 1984 again.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on December 30, 2013, 09:59:24 AM

Quote from: nastybit on December 27, 2013, 09:29:08 PM

Also here: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/27/judge-rules-nsa-phone-data-collection-legal

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"Every day, people voluntarily surrender personal and seemingly-private information to trans-national corporations, which exploit that data for profit. Few think twice about it, even though it is far more intrusive that bulk telephony metadata collection."

Key word voluntarily. We have a right to decide what info we may or may not give out. Absolutely pathetic.

Good point. Man I started reading 1984 the other day and the similarities are shocking, even in the first few pages. No one has any guts to do anything, they'll just keep voting in the same old people.

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