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Topic: Judgment Thread For PytagoraZ by JollyGood (Read 677 times)

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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
July 07, 2023, 01:42:33 AM
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Yes.. since last night I thought about closing this thread. But if i close it does that mean i lost and jolly won?
Then just close it for fuck's sake.  It won't mean either of those things, because within about two hours no one will even remember this argument and if you keep relatively quiet, in about a month people will forget where why your username sounds familiar should they come across it for whatever reason.

Seriously, you're ascribing to yourself far too much importance than is justified.

All right, all right... for some reason, I'll listen to what you have to say.

regards
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Yes.. since last night I thought about closing this thread. But if i close it does that mean i lost and jolly won?
Then just close it for fuck's sake.  It won't mean either of those things, because within about two hours no one will even remember this argument and if you keep relatively quiet, in about a month people will forget where why your username sounds familiar should they come across it for whatever reason.

Seriously, you're ascribing to yourself far too much importance than is justified.
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
The more you lie about it in order to fool everyone, the more likely you are to drop a hint as to who is behind your account. I have a name in mind, but I'm not the type of DT that looks into account history anymore; I'm more concerned with those who break the rules.  Cool

Don't tell me that what you think of me will be associated with an rby, or naim account. This will be a new drama

However, you react a bit aggressively to every reply here, which otherwise reminds me of some earlier trolls here, and this all adds to the claim that you are still not a complete beginner on this forum. In addition to the history of your posts, it is obvious that in less than a month you have learned in detail some details of the forum, which many members have not for a much longer period.


Well, maybe I shouldn't be fighting a lord here. Very different from other explanations which say that all members are the same. That's a lie, there are other forces that don't want to be disturbed and don't want to be criticized.

Maybe I realized too late that everyone here should only be interested in bitcoins. They should not be interested in anything else, nor should they be interested in learning anything else

You should mind.  Yes, this is obviously a "fake newbie," (as suchmoon would say,) but there's far more unfounded speculation in the feedback than just the obvious.

That neutral tag JollyGood left is a retaliatory feedback, and was only left there because the OP had the audacity to challenge JG during his most recent crusade against another user.  That's why he felt the need to speculate about alleged alt-farming and other intentions.  Does anyone believe that JG would have left that tag if the newbie had jumped on the Bash rby Bandwagon instead of challenge the effort?

When JG gets his panties in a twist he starts an advertising campaign, creating multiple threads, spamming his opinion in every thread touching on the subject of his vendetta, and trying to get as many people on his side as possible.  Typical tactics for one who lacks confidence in his convictions.  He's obviously abusing his position as DT and has been for years.  He has no more business being on DT than Derek Chauvin has being a cop.

The trouble here is the OP fell right into his trap.  By creating this thread he's done nothing but bring attention to JollyGood's latest subject of scorn (i.e. himself.)  Now all those who have JG in their trust inclusions have to chime in on this thread, but all they have to say is "yup, that's a fake newbie," just to justify having JG included.

But it's also useless if indeed he is considered to have abused the power of DT but no one dares to fight him. Just like him who didn't dare to tag yahoo and nutildah, who in another thread admitted that he had been involved in buying and selling accounts. Jolly only dares to new members or people who have no influence. I also know Jolly has influence so even though she flags people on assumptions, no one dares to go against her.

In a theory it is also explained that someone who has power does not want his position and power to be sued, he will use all his power and position to keep his power and position safe.

Yes you are right, maybe jolly cheers because without him coming here already many support him. Yet I remains consistent that tagging someone solely on assumptions is a mistake, and tagging a series of judgments without providing preliminary evidence is also a mistake. Even though I don't care about the results of that judgments... because everything is just an assumption...

I didn't look into the reason why JollyGood thinks you might be an alt account because you have more knowledge of the forum than a newcomer would, but as to you question above:  in general, newbies are clueless about what's happening on the forum, not necessarily about bitcoin.  Unless you were a lurker prior to registering, why would you be familiar with anything related to the forum?  And even then, you'd have to have been a lurker for a long time just to get a sense of bitcointalk's politics and history, and frankly I don't think many people lurk here and just read before they become members and start posting.  That might have happened in the past (as with me in 2014-15) but it's become much rarer.

i didn't spy on forums before i signed up. But my mistake maybe I was interested in the board's reputation, forcing me to read too much about the rules of this forum. I didn't find the discussion interesting for another discussion. I'm familiar with bitcoin because I've played airdrop before being told about this forum. The discussions that I try to make also always fail, they are not interesting

So, last week you complained about someone calling you a kid (on a public discussion platform), now you're complaining about neutral feedback. What's next?

Do you mean I can't complain about the tags provided by DT? even though the tag is wrong? or is there really a rule that it is forbidden to complain to DT?

There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why? I understand the op is attempting to suck his way into the DT system, but if I were him, I would focus on becoming a better member. I know the op was busted in his previous account, and he's doing the same thing now, drawing needless attention to himself. The more popular you are in this community, the more likely you are to get into trouble.

Op it's time to lock this thread; it's not helping....

yes, i didn't expect jolly to get so much support. Though I'm pretty sure that what he does isn't always right. And like in other threads, people are busy finding fault with me, accusing me of being alt, accusing me of breaking rules on other accounts, or maybe I'll be linked with rby or naim. But that's an assumption. But I know that no one can prove it, even so no one will be satisfied if they haven't found fault with me. But everyone here isn't looking for or judging jolly faults, isn't that discriminatory? or is there a statement that old members will always be right, and new members will always be wrong?

Yes.. since last night I thought about closing this thread. But if i close it does that mean i lost and jolly won?

Yes - I know that's fine, but I tend to expect it to be unhurried. The OP is different - his way has led several users to speculate about his account and motives and of course it's not going to help him.

I don't really want to speculate on that either - but I guess by now the OP has been on some DT distrust lists [~PytagoraZ] because of the way he responded to some advice.

Yes I know that what I do will make many people judge me. But no one thought that if that person had any faults then he wouldn't dare to open a thread here
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There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why?
Yes - I know that's fine, but I tend to expect it to be unhurried. The OP is different - his way has led several users to speculate about his account and motives and of course it's not going to help him.

I don't really want to speculate on that either - but I guess by now the OP has been on some DT distrust lists [~PytagoraZ] because of the way he responded to some advice.

You were aware of his plans prior to now. But it's not too late for him. He ignored your advise and became embroiled in unnecessary controversy.

PytagoraZ - don't rush it, you should enjoy it and learn more about bitcoin instead of worrying so much about drama in this forum. The play isn't going to improve your bitcoin knowledge and experience in crypto - it's just another part of forum life.
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There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why?
Yes - I know that's fine, but I tend to expect it to be unhurried. The OP is different - his way has led several users to speculate about his account and motives and of course it's not going to help him.

I don't really want to speculate on that either - but I guess by now the OP has been on some DT distrust lists [~PytagoraZ] because of the way he responded to some advice.
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Honestly I also want to be a DT someday, you guys are cool.

I also really want to say that the OP is too hasty to build his reputation which is basically still quite worthy of being called a child of his account age. He deals a lot with other people's reputations when he admits he's still begginer rank - that's the best bullshit I've ever heard from begginer like him.

There is nothing wrong with somebody attempting to build a reputation for himself, but the question is why? I understand the op is attempting to suck his way into the DT system, but if I were him, I would focus on becoming a better member. I know the op was busted in his previous account, and he's doing the same thing now, drawing needless attention to himself. The more popular you are in this community, the more likely you are to get into trouble.

Op it's time to lock this thread; it's not helping....
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I doubt you're going to get much support, OP.  You haven't earned respect from the community plus your argument is weak anyway.
Of course - especially if the quote below is the basic motive.

Honestly I also want to be a DT someday, you guys are cool.

I also really want to say that the OP is too hasty to build his reputation which is basically still quite worthy of being called a child of his account age. He deals a lot with other people's reputations when he admits he's still begginer rank - that's the best bullshit I've ever heard from begginer like him.
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I got a neutral tag from jollygood. Is it important? yes it is important for me. He accuses me of being an alt and accuses me of being a merit finder for signature campaign

So, last week you complained about someone calling you a kid (on a public discussion platform), now you're complaining about neutral feedback. What's next?


Be happy he didn't gave you negative feedback, because it took a long time for him to stop being easy on trigger like that, and there is nothing wrong with neutral feedback.

Just to make things clear, I don't trust what you say also, there are so many liars in this forum that I am suspecting everyone can be a cheater.

To be honest, I wouldn't even mind seeing a negative tag in this case. It would just make it easier for me to spot and deal with his posts. I know it wouldn't be right thing to do, but I have a strong gut feeling about this one, and it's making me quite uneasy.
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do you think newbies are clueless?
I didn't look into the reason why JollyGood thinks you might be an alt account because you have more knowledge of the forum than a newcomer would, but as to your question above:  in general, newbies are clueless about what's happening on the forum, not necessarily about bitcoin.  Unless you were a lurker prior to registering, why would you be familiar with anything related to the forum?  And even then, you'd have to have been a lurker for a long time just to get a sense of bitcointalk's politics and history, and frankly I don't think many people lurk here and just read before they become members and start posting.  That might have happened in the past (as with me in 2014-15) but it's become much rarer.

Be happy he didn't gave you negative feedback, because it took a long time for him to stop being easy on trigger like that, and there is nothing wrong with neutral feedback.
Plus OP didn't seem to have a problem leaving a neutral for Not your key not your BTC for an even more frivolous reason than JollyGood's, so I'd say he's somewhat of a hypocrite in addition to perhaps being a blatant, money-grubbing, fucking liar.

I doubt you're going to get much support, OP.  You haven't earned respect from the community plus your argument is weak anyway.  Suck it up like a flowery buttercup and earn a reputation--assuming this account isn't a second or third attempt at doing so after a previous alt got busted by the community for something or for getting banned.  Y'all have a nice day, now.

Edit:  Thanks to DireWolfM14 for picking up a potential miscommunication faster than a hummingbird.
Edit2: Fixed some idiotic typing mistake.  My how my fingers have fucked me o'er the years.
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I wouldn't leave neutral feedback for that, but I don't mind either.

You should mind.  Yes, this is obviously a "fake newbie," (as suchmoon would say,) but there's far more unfounded speculation in the feedback than just the obvious.

That neutral tag JollyGood left is a retaliatory feedback, and was only left there because the OP had the audacity to challenge JG during his most recent crusade against another user.  That's why he felt the need to speculate about alleged alt-farming and other intentions.  Does anyone believe that JG would have left that tag if the newbie had jumped on the Bash rby Bandwagon instead of challenge the effort?

When JG gets his panties in a twist he starts an advertising campaign, creating multiple threads, spamming his opinion in every thread touching on the subject of his vendetta, and trying to get as many people on his side as possible.  Typical tactics for one who lacks confidence in his convictions.  He's obviously abusing his position as DT and has been for years.  He has no more business being on DT than Derek Chauvin has being a cop.

The trouble here is the OP fell right into his trap.  By creating this thread he's done nothing but bring attention to JollyGood's latest subject of scorn (i.e. himself.)  Now all those who have JG in their trust inclusions have to chime in on this thread, but all they have to say is "yup, that's a fake newbie," just to justify having JG included.
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Having 150 posts, which comes out to 5 a day and creating this thread makes you look more guilty then the neutral tag. That is a lot of time and effort to put in for a new user.
Creating this thread will make people question what you are doing here more. And there are a lot more people who now are going to be paying attention.

-Dave


Thanks dave

But, what mistake do you mean? I'm just surprised, most members accuse me of being alt, I know that's just an assumption but why doesn't anyone think that if I'm alt why do I dare to make a thread here and oppose DT? I think if people make mistakes they will be afraid, it's human nature


Not a mistake. But, you go to the Honda Accord forum to talk about your car, you go to the CanAm Ryker forum to talk about your trike. You go to the Bitcoin forum to talk about Bitcoin.
I don't read Indonesian so I have no idea what you are talking about there, but you have very few posts talking about BTC

Take a step back and look at it from the point of view of someone else. You have an order of magnitude more posts about the forum then what the forum is about.

Spend some more time talking about BTC and less time talking about bitciontalk and people will forget this entire post.

-Dave

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I got a neutral tag from jollygood. Is it important? yes it is important for me. He accuses me of being an alt and accuses me of being a merit finder for signature campaign
Be happy he didn't gave you negative feedback, because it took a long time for him to stop being easy on trigger like that, and there is nothing wrong with neutral feedback.

Just to make things clear, I don't trust what you say also, there are so many liars in this forum that I am suspecting everyone can be a cheater.
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At first I didn't know Jolly was tagging me, because I added it to the untrusted list. But I felt like he tagged me, so I deleted my list, and I just found out about it today.

No need in deleting entire trust list or anyone from it. Even if anyone is distrusted by you, you can see all Untrusted feedback, just tap a link "Show ratings".

You can view any page as if you were using the default trust settings by putting ;dt at the end of the URL. Eg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35;dt
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Hahaha... the person who created the thread about studying trust systems is here. Yes.. I read your writing, quite a lot.

In that thread you write that a neutral tag is not something negative, but it can be a consideration whether the account is trustworthy or not. if my tags survive 3 years later, people who don't know about it won't believe me.

At first I didn't know Jolly was tagging me, because I added it to the untrusted list. But I felt like he tagged me, so I deleted my list, and I just found out about it today.

welcome to the community of people who believe i am alt  Cheesy


Now you are starting to behave pathetically. A lot of members told you, here I am too, a neutral tag is not a judgment, nor does it necessarily mean that you will be viewed negatively. Certainly not a reason to start a drama about it.
If in three years, that is the only tag on your account, you certainly won't have to worry about whether someone will believe you.

However, you react a bit aggressively to every reply here, which otherwise reminds me of some earlier trolls here, and this all adds to the claim that you are still not a complete beginner on this forum. In addition to the history of your posts, it is obvious that in less than a month you have learned in detail some details of the forum, which many members have not for a much longer period.
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You may have good intentions, and you may be good with words, but starting your journey trying to correct the DT system may get you swallowed because many DT dislike being corrected or questioned.

You are not a newbie, and you do not act like one.

Well, it seems you are right. They don't like being corrected, especially by members who have low rank. Little do I remember what the ancient Greek philosopher said, giving a correction to people who feel they are the smartest will be more difficult than teaching people to smart.

Yeah, especially from someone who made an alt a month ago, lied about being a newbie, and got into an argument with old members on the DT matters

welcome to the community of people who believe i am alt  Cheesy

The more you lie about it in order to fool everyone, the more likely you are to drop a hint as to who is behind your account. I have a name in mind, but I'm not the type of DT that looks into account history anymore; I'm more concerned with those who break the rules.  Cool
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power
That's not how the Trust system is supposed to be used. If you don't value someone's Trust feedback, exclude them from your Trust list.



After quickly checking your post history, I agree with the comments that you seem to care more about the forum's inner workings than about Bitcoin. That's totally fine, but indeed makes you look like someone's alt account. I wouldn't leave neutral feedback for that, but I don't mind either.

Hahaha... the person who created the thread about studying trust systems is here. Yes.. I read your writing, quite a lot.

In that thread you write that a neutral tag is not something negative, but it can be a consideration whether the account is trustworthy or not. if my tags survive 3 years later, people who don't know about it won't believe me.

At first I didn't know Jolly was tagging me, because I added it to the untrusted list. But I felt like he tagged me, so I deleted my list, and I just found out about it today.

welcome to the community of people who believe i am alt  Cheesy
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if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power
That's not how the Trust system is supposed to be used. If you don't value someone's Trust feedback, exclude them from your Trust list.



After quickly checking your post history, I agree with the comments that you seem to care more about the forum's inner workings than about Bitcoin. That's totally fine, but indeed makes you look like someone's alt account. I wouldn't leave neutral feedback for that, but I don't mind either.
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Having 150 posts, which comes out to 5 a day and creating this thread makes you look more guilty then the neutral tag. That is a lot of time and effort to put in for a new user.
Creating this thread will make people question what you are doing here more. And there are a lot more people who now are going to be paying attention.

-Dave


Thanks dave

But, what mistake do you mean? I'm just surprised, most members accuse me of being alt, I know that's just an assumption but why doesn't anyone think that if I'm alt why do I dare to make a thread here and oppose DT? I think if people make mistakes they will be afraid, it's human nature

To some people, attention and drama (Reputation board drama) is like an addictive drug. They can't do without it. When the drug (drama) dies down, they look for all ways of creating some more, just to quench their addiction.

hahaha….am I addicted? I dunno, I just like to discusion. You know that I use this forum until 3 am.. I lost track of time. Maybe that's what makes people think I learn too fast

But let them see me and judge me, that's their right. But assumptions still can't be proof, let alone giving a tag

~I cut it because it's too long~

You always have a good analytical framework. I admit it. And I thank you for the time you have dedicated to looking at my history. You must have found my post explaining that bitcointalk is not my first forum, I have attended several discussion forums, so understanding this forum is not too difficult

I also might agree that you are the learner type. Your analysis shows that there is capability. Yes...if I don't find a reputation thread, maybe I'll be skeptical because the discussion in other threads doesn't work, they only reply once, after that they don't come back.

Would you accuse me of being alt even more if I had read about cyberpunk? Yes.. I've tried to learn it several times, but I don't really understand it yet

You may have good intentions, and you may be good with words, but starting your journey trying to correct the DT system may get you swallowed because many DT dislike being corrected or questioned.

You are not a newbie, and you do not act like one.

Well, it seems you are right. They don't like being corrected, especially by members who have low rank. Little do I remember what the ancient Greek philosopher said, giving a correction to people who feel they are the smartest will be more difficult than teaching people to smart.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62387639 - Keep up the begging and soon you will be in a campaign!  Smiley

Of course its not the first time you are here with this account, its obvious but to be honest who cares.. do whatever works for you.  Smiley

What are you doing here? You already have 154 activities, only have 20 merit?

I give tips on "how to learn easily". If you need merits, click on someone's merits, see where he gets merits, learn and you can easily earn merit.

Honestly, I'm wondering, am I the one learning too fast or are they learning too slow?
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62387639 - Keep up the begging and soon you will be in a campaign!  Smiley

Maybe its your first time here, maybe not? But to be honest who cares? Do whatever works for you as long you don't break any rules.  Smiley
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It takes more than a month for a genuine newbie to study, assimilate, and understand the forum rules, particularly the DT system, which is the most difficult of all (even old members are still learning their way around it), yet you appear to be highly knowledgeable about it. I disagree with the tag on your profile and would not leave one myself, but you are simply too good to be a month old newbie. It's possible that you are an alt of an established member/burst member who has been here before, but I wouldn't give a shit about you as long as you haven't broken any rules and that alt accounts are allowed. You are still in the right.

However, trend with caution because you are already under the red knife and about to get butchered.

Not too long, and I'm in a span of 1 month. Yes, the DT system was very confusing before I installed the BPIP extension.

Yes, I understand, and I'm not afraid of being slaughtered. Because I have nothing wrong here

You may have good intentions, and you may be good with words, but starting your journey trying to correct the DT system may get you swallowed because many DT dislike being corrected or questioned.

You are not a newbie, and you do not act like one.
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So how long do you think it will take for new member to get to know the forum?

OK, well, since you ask, probably 1-2 years minimum. And the wording you use and the subjects you choose to engage in suggest you have been around here for at least that long. I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way. Even just a week into your account, people were saying stuff like this about you, in a thread you opened titled "I'm a newbie" lol:

Looking at your profile and your post history, I no longer consider you a newbie, especially for someone who drops a comment and posts like this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62387639.

On your third day you made a table pointing to threads in your local section, half of them having to do with how to get merits. Your third day! If you want us to believe you're some kind of prodigy then you'll have to live with the skepticism you're going to receive.

This isn't your average forum. I've seen people do all sorts of crazy things here over the years in an attempt to manipulate others to make money: open 100+ accounts, come up with crazy stories about why they lost money trusted with them, rabid insults, suicide threats, death threats, smear campaigns, attempts to get law enforcement to take action against posters they didn't like, etc... So if somebody has a wild or weird story to tell that serves to enhance or preserve their account's reputation, sorry but my default opinion is they are lying.

I have learned about merit and activity systems. I have a goal to gain merit and activity at the same time. I learned a lot at the local board. Many members say that beginners don't need to think about merit, but I think it has to go together. I need to be able to progress quickly in this forum.


See you in 5 years, I'll be a member
If it takes you 5 years to rank up then you are not putting enough effort in....

I'm not in a rush so I'm quite enjoying the time with the 5 years I have  Grin

I dunno man. Just seems like you'll do or say anything to make a mark here.

This is gonna sound crazy to you but when I came here I didn't care about any of this shit. I was just doing a lot of reading and learning as much as I could about bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general. I found it truly fascinating. I registered in April 2014 but didn't join my first signature campaign until 2018 or 2019.

I'm glad I pursued knowledge at the beginning because I used it to participate and build in a few early projects, the fruits of which have amassed me considerable more wealth than sig campaigns ever could. The point is if more people used the forum as an educational resource, they could probably figure out ways to improve their quality of life much more dramatically than sig campaigns will.
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To some people, attention and drama (Reputation board drama) is like an addictive drug. They can't do without it. When the drug (drama) dies down, they look for all ways of creating some more, just to quench their addiction.

You seem to be leaning to that category of people, and I am not surprised things are as they stand right now. Not all members in this forum behave the same way. Some treat this forum as a side community to hang around, discuss Bitcoin and crypto, do business, get trading ideas, others use it as a place to express what they have failed to do in real life. To them, this digital forum is everything. Take that away or mess up with their ego and there will be a problem.

You remember when I replied this after the awkward remark you made here?
OMG.... Looks like a lot of people are starting to see me. That is dangerous. How can you do that? Please teach me

Wkwkwkw.... The reputation thread is currently interesting on the rby case. I was quite interested in it.. until I forgot what time it was

I knew it was just a matter of time, but since you enjoy attention, have fun and I officially welcome you to Bitcointalk!
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There is the saying better 10 guilty people go free then 1 innocent goes to jail.
Here their is no jail. So things can be a bit harsher.

Lets face if a neutral tag does very little, if any, harm

Will it keep you out of signature campaigns? Probably not.

If you want to trade with people will it make them more likely to use an escrow? Probably not, since you no trades / sales or anything else to most people trading you have no reputation for that so they would want to use an escrow anyway.

Having 150 posts, which comes out to 5 a day and creating this thread makes you look more guilty then the neutral tag. That is a lot of time and effort to put in for a new user.
Creating this thread will make people question what you are doing here more. And there are a lot more people who now are going to be paying attention.

-Dave
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I think people should stop to explain and pointing out why JollyGood give a neutral tag to @OP because that's a way for @OP to learn and trying to become an average newbie. Example many people have said average newbie would discuss in Bitcoin and altcoins section rather than discuss in Meta and Reputation section. Yep, he might shift to Bitcoin and altcoins section or create new alt account.

Now @OP is demanding a 100% proof to prove if he's an alt account which is impossible since he know no one can post the proof.
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm

It takes more than a month for a genuine newbie to study, assimilate, and understand the forum rules, particularly the DT system, which is the most difficult of all (even old members are still learning their way around it), yet you appear to be highly knowledgeable about it. I disagree with the tag on your profile and would not leave one myself, but you are simply too good to be a month old newbie. It's possible that you are an alt of an established member/burst member who has been here before, but I wouldn't give a shit about you as long as you haven't broken any rules and that alt accounts are allowed. You are still in the right.

However, trend with caution because you are already under the red knife and about to get butchered.

Not too long, and I'm in a span of 1 month. Yes, the DT system was very confusing before I installed the BPIP extension.

Yes, I understand, and I'm not afraid of being slaughtered. Because I have nothing wrong here

I also pay attention to the talk of user @PytagoraZ, it seems that he interferes too much in people's topics, this newbie is strange to my judgement.

An example of his tal.
@nutildah spoke to @Poker Player, my assessment has nothing to do with @PytagoraZ, but he replied, As if he knew exactly what the problem was.
Does this have something to do with Royse? I saw a poker player thread with royse getting heated. Looks like you took it that way back

Yes, I read thread the battle of poker player and royse. That's quite interesting. but the thread was immediately locked

Another example, is he peacemaker here, obnoxious, many others in other posts attract the attention of other members by judging him Alt someone with other arguments.
I don't support you rby, but what jollygood is doing is wrong, and I have never seen a judgment begin without preliminary evidence

Isn't that the way it should be? The judgment thread is not a discussion thread, it needs to be distinguished and I think everyone knows that accusing someone must have evidence. That's what Jolly doesn't do

Reputation hell, you can get burned.

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I also pay attention to the talk of user @PytagoraZ, it seems that he interferes too much in people's topics, this newbie is strange to my judgement.

An example of his tal.
@nutildah spoke to @Poker Player, my assessment has nothing to do with @PytagoraZ, but he replied, As if he knew exactly what the problem was.
Does this have something to do with Royse? I saw a poker player thread with royse getting heated. Looks like you took it that way back

Another example, is he peacemaker here, obnoxious, many others in other posts attract the attention of other members by judging him Alt someone with other arguments.
I don't support you rby, but what jollygood is doing is wrong, and I have never seen a judgment begin without preliminary evidence

We here have seen a lot of drama played by the members here, played by Alt at the end of the story.

@PytagoraZ, you are now dealing with @jollygood, my advice is for you to be more careful playing at Reputation.

Reputation hell, you can get burned.
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So how long do you think it will take for new member to get to know the forum?

It takes more than a month for a genuine newbie to study, assimilate, and understand the forum rules, particularly the DT system, which is the most difficult of all (even old members are still learning their way around it), yet you appear to be highly knowledgeable about it. I disagree with the tag on your profile and would not leave one myself, but you are simply too good to be a month old newbie. It's possible that you are an alt of an established member/burst member who has been here before, but I wouldn't give a shit about you as long as you haven't broken any rules and that alt accounts are allowed. You are still in the right.

However, trend with caution because you are already under the red knife and about to get butchered.
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
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I can't comment on that, I don't know the signature campaign mechanism

Edit : Mwhat I mean is the hard work you put into alt tagging is awesome, especially you don't put campaign signature on your profile. What you do looks sincere

You got here less than a month ago yet you've spent a large amount of time concerned with the inner-workings of the forum, commenting on reputational matters and presenting arguments on complex forum issues there's no way a newbie could possibly have a decent understanding of. Also, 40% of your posts are in Meta and Reputation, which is highly unusual for a newbie.

From your post history, its pretty apparent you don't really care about bitcoin or cryptocurrency at all. Its not unique to see this forum as a source of income first and foremost (rather than a place to learn, contribute or interact on a social level), but I can see where JollyGood is coming from, even though I probably wouldn't leave a similar trust.

Regardless, its just a neutral tag and the way that its written would not impede your ability to join a signature campaign, granted a campaign manager sees your contributions as worthy.

So how long do you think it will take for new member to get to know the forum?

Other than the reputation threads there are no discussions, most members only reply once and they don't come back to see replies. There is no discussion going on in the thread other than reputation

In addition, new members are not considered in the discussion. Just like you who didn't answer my question in the rby case thread.

Yes maybe this tag is not very influential, But those accusations are bogus, I need to warn jolly, and he really likes to tag people based on assumptions. If this neutral tag turns red then my next step is: I'm crushed or he's crushed

I want to explain things with you, but the more I explain, the easier it will be for you to criticize me. Such a method of logical discussion exists in the concept of hermeneutics, but I forgot, I haven't read a book in a long time

It looks like the guy is too hot. I am also watching you, PytagoraZ.I can say that your task is to be visible on the forum (I'm too lazy to look for your words; I already spoke about this once). You manage to be visible, but your presence is too much in topics where, in theory, you should not be, if you speak about yourself as a newbie. Your task should be to study Bitcoin, not to "play" justice. Alternate accounts are not banned on the forum; apart from that, JollyGood has not pointed out any violations from you, even if you are someone's alt. Therefore, after three years, your tag will not affect anything.
But on my own, I can say that yes, I will do this: ~ PytagoraZ

alt? Still assuming without proof.

Yes... I need to criticize a few things, how is it possible for a judgment thread but no preliminary evidence? That's really surprising, and I think it's wrong and needs to be fixed. But Jolly doesn't consider me, because I'm just a junior member.

Though he need not worry, because I'm not a lawyer. But if he wants to defend himself I am prepared to re-read what I have read, and I think that is good in a discussion.

Note: I'm still waiting for jolly to answer this and bring evidence to his charge
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It looks like the guy is too hot. I am also watching you, PytagoraZ.I can say that your task is to be visible on the forum (I'm too lazy to look for your words; I already spoke about this once). You manage to be visible, but your presence is too much in topics where, in theory, you should not be, if you speak about yourself as a newbie. Your task should be to study Bitcoin, not to "play" justice. Alternate accounts are not banned on the forum; apart from that, JollyGood has not pointed out any violations from you, even if you are someone's alt. Therefore, after three years, your tag will not affect anything.
But on my own, I can say that yes, I will do this: ~ PytagoraZ
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You got here less than a month ago yet you've spent a large amount of time concerned with the inner-workings of the forum, commenting on reputational matters and presenting arguments on complex forum issues there's no way a newbie could possibly have a decent understanding of. Also, 40% of your posts are in Meta and Reputation, which is highly unusual for a newbie.

From your post history, its pretty apparent you don't really care about bitcoin or cryptocurrency at all. Its not unique to see this forum as a source of income first and foremost (rather than a place to learn, contribute or interact on a social level), but I can see where JollyGood is coming from, even though I probably wouldn't leave a similar trust.

Regardless, its just a neutral tag and the way that its written would not impede your ability to join a signature campaign, granted a campaign manager sees your contributions as worthy.
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I am sure yahoo62278 would be the first to confirm I was in multiple signature campaigns on and off for about eighteen months.

Yahoo might even conceded that identifying alts is beneficial to campaign managers who enforce a "no alts can participate" policy in many of the campaigns. Even the now disgraced chipmixer campaign attempted to enforce participants from various regions of the world so again establishing whether there are alts in a campaign is crucial for campaign managers (just as an aside three high profile users were found to be alts in the chipmixer campaign simultaneously when it was paying out at it's most lucrative)

Having said that, a campaign manager would undoubtedly see the *neutral* and keep it in the back of their mind.  But, until you apply and are rejected and ask respectfully why you were rejected then told it was the neutral then this is all hypothetical conjecture at best.
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
Giving someone a neutral tag is not necessarily abusing DT power. He has not harmed your profile and has likely not hindered you from making money if you did apply to a sig campaign and got accepted. Do I agree with his tag? No, I wouldn't leave 1 like it even if I had the same thoughts about you, but he is him and I am me.

What I bolded is also an incorrect statement. If he didn't care about sig campaigns, he wouldn't be in 1.

Maybe now it doesn't matter. But if this tag remains 3 years later? I thought it would be bad for me. Because it's a tag from jolly so I responded, because I disagreed with him and I'm pretty sure he won't remove this tag if it's not responded

You got a *neutral* trust feedback from someone?

Please, keep talking...

I can't comment for you. You are very idealistic, what you are doing here (alt tagging) has no tendency for signature campaigns
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You got a *neutral* trust feedback from someone?



Please, keep talking...
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Because you are DT, So I challenge you, prove your accusations, if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power

Because you don't care about signature campaigns



Giving someone a neutral tag is not necessarily abusing DT power. He has not harmed your profile and has likely not hindered you from making money if you did apply to a sig campaign and got accepted. Do I agree with his tag? No, I wouldn't leave 1 like it even if I had the same thoughts about you, but he is him and I am me.

What I bolded is also an incorrect statement. If he didn't care about sig campaigns, he wouldn't be in 1.

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If jolly wants to continue this matter and accept my challenge.

Don't hold your breath.  He ignores those who challenge him, he's been ignoring me for years.
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
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I don't see it.  Cheesy

It seems you ignored him. That's good. Seriously I'm not lying  Grin


If jolly wants to continue this matter and accept my challenge. I need help from 10 members of DT1 or DT2 to tagging him if the accusations are not proven. Maybe someone is willing to do it for me?

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Note : To anyone helping me it's not that you have a problem with jolly, just to help me for the challenge i gave him

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I don't see it.  Cheesy
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Jolly? I think I've heard that name before. hmm
I got a neutral tag from jollygood. Is it important? yes it is important for me. He accuses me of being an alt and accuses me of being a merit finder for signature campaign

I will answer:
1. I am not an alt
2. If I have the opportunity to join the signature, I will join it

Explanation
1. Do you think people registering on forums is the same as registering in a school? do you think newbies are clueless? Let's have a direct discussion, you always avoid having a direct discussion with me. This is not my first forum, do you think this forum is the only forum on the internet? so you dare to accuse me alt. I consider your tag to be an abuse of DT's power as I'm not sure in the future you will remove it

Because you are DT, So I challenge you, prove your accusations, if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power

I'm sure you will dare to accept my offer, because 10 negative tags is not problem for you, Because you don't care about signature campaigns. Only other people will you think is wrong if they join the signature campaign. The most important thing for you is to judge people

2. Please explain the meaning of this point. If I want to raise my rank immediately to sign up for a signature campaign, then I will support you and maybe many people will give me merit. What I did today is at risk of being tagged, so how can you accuse me of doing that? Please explain what logic are you using? But I'm not an anarchist so maybe I don't know if you explain about that

Maybe you can't make a thread to judge me because you don't have any proof. But if you still haven't studied law, of course you can create a judgment thread without attaching evidence and initial analysis.

So I opened a thread to judge myself. So you don't bother making threads. So please present your arguments for your accusations and attach the evidence. Remember this is a judgment thread so need to provide concrete evidence, not assumptions. You need to distinguish between what is discussion and what is judgment

So, I'm waiting for your reply about this and about the challenge that I gave.

Have a beautiful day

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