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October 25, 2017, 05:51:03 AM
Why is china so influential with bitcoin prices?

As far as I know, China before owns the biggest number of bitcoins in circulation before they're ban earlier this quarter. They have a massive bitcoin mining industry due to their electricity bill being way smaller than other countries. I hope whatever they have would circulate around the world since they can't transact nor trade bitcoins now.
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October 25, 2017, 05:38:40 AM
Its just simpel answer, as we know china has very large population or citizen, and many of them are bitcoin buyer. If all of them just start buying bitcoin, it affect to bitcoin price. Or all of them start sell and affect also to price. So thats why china has potential with bitcoin price.
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October 25, 2017, 01:00:33 AM
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October 25, 2017, 12:45:33 AM
China owns the largest mining and bitcoin industry in the world, 81% of mining pool belongs to them, they have a cheaper electricity cost from coal and nuclear which how the mining works, it needs a ton of electricity in order to generate and mine a lot of bitcoin, but Chinese government bans bitcoin and we all know that, there's a news that the Chinese crypto traders moved in to japan.
does china really have banned bitcoin ? from what I’ve read and as far as I know is the chinese government only forbid and forcefully closed ICO, or is it me who read wrong news?
From what I know from ICO data in Chinese, 65 ICOs has raised $ 394.6 million from 105.000 Chinese citizens in 2017. and it’s really affect the bitcoin selling price at the beginning of last September.

Yes, I do agree with what you say. Many people say that CHina will ban exchange as well as bitcoin. But rumours are just rumours. There is no official statement about this and I believe it is just a big fish which was created by the whales so that they can collect more cheap bitcoin
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October 25, 2017, 12:33:52 AM
Why is china so influential with bitcoin prices?

Due to the high population in China and hugely, a good quantity of citizens there are holders and traders of bitcoin, which means if they should out of panic sell their bitcoins, it will seriously affect the market price of bitcoin.
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October 25, 2017, 12:25:44 AM

I barely think that bitcoin prices are influenced with china. There was time when china was all over the crypto currencies because of their world power in mining. The time is history now because china themselves put axe on their legs and cut away the potential to run they had. But who cares as we are in safe zone now and no worries for it.


They will start affecting the market again if only they re-enter into crypto world with new regulation. But in that case also they will fluctuate the whole thing at entry point only like the way they did when it was banned from the crypto industry.
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October 25, 2017, 12:17:13 AM
Bitcoins is so indluential in china because as usual their population and also china is one of the biggest users of bitcoins in terms of their population.
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October 24, 2017, 11:43:44 PM
I think in my opinion they are the leading and popular companies that makes mining rigs there. Also bitcoins users in china is really huge, liked 45% of bitcoin users in the world?  talk about their Mining farms that 3 hectares wide for only mining bitcoins, thats really huge!  Only for now  china had Ban ICO but Still they are the leading investors in terms of industrial products and also in bitcoin.
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October 24, 2017, 11:32:16 PM
Bitcoin is simply too small to bother the Chinese government much.The Chinese doesn’t recognize it as a threat, so bitcoin actually grows quickly in China,and with the huge population the market trading volume in bitcoin is also high as well as the hash rate.I believe that is why Chain have and influential rate in  Bitcoin.
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October 24, 2017, 11:21:18 PM
Why is china so influential with bitcoin prices?

China is long gone now and there is nothing left about it. So there is no need to discuss about it so specifically.  Roll Eyes
We have moved to different levels now and there is nothing that can influence the bitcoin which has been proven now. People are no more scared about forks and they don’t panic during it, that’s the only thing we needed. As the time is passing more awareness regarding bitcoin is being generated amongst the crypto community. See where is china here?
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October 24, 2017, 10:48:52 PM
Where is China now?  Shocked
I don't see any China today in this price surge. This shows what all these countries can afford is to spread FUD and bring a drop for some weeks. In Bitcoin, drops are short lived and price can always recover back. Bitcoin is an international currency wih global reach, no one country can destroy it. China was a major player in the market but their ban or any of their drama wasn't that effective. Bitcoin grown tremendously in last some weeks that now investors want Bitcoin to slow down. LOL!
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October 24, 2017, 10:44:44 PM
If we earn from the sale or exchange of crypto currency, then it is considered a profit and it is subject to taxation. However, here it is necessary to take into account the legislation of the country of location. If the crypto-currency has not yet been recognized by the state as a means of payment and there are no corresponding laws on taxation from this type of activity, then the tax can be paid.
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October 24, 2017, 02:49:43 PM
Because they (used to) represent a huge chunk of trading volume, as well as total network hashrate.
They were a major country prior to banning Bitcoin. But now not so much really.

Because China Economy is booming.  One of the major reason why market down always its because they manipulate the market. they ban Exchanges and Icos but the bitcoin mining industry still there. China has a big impact in the Bitcoin world
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October 24, 2017, 01:43:03 PM
China has always had the lion's share in bitcoins.Even today,it has the largest number of mining pools in the world.Until before few months,it had the largest number of trades carried out in BTC.

You said it.
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October 24, 2017, 12:13:49 AM
China has always had the lion's share in bitcoins.Even today,it has the largest number of mining pools in the world.Until before few months,it had the largest number of trades carried out in BTC.

Chinese dominated the bitcoin market,manipulated bitcoin price as they wished by just dumping their huge volume of bitcoins,bitcoin exchanges creating fake trade volumes.In few words to say,they just ruled the bitcoin world.

Even today,if they suddenly ban bitcoin mining,a huge issue would arise in transaction of bitcoins all over the world as still other parts of the world does not have enough mining farms.

Even just before few months,bitcoin holders would be keenly watching even small movements in china related to bitcoin.They would decide to buy and sell bitcoins based on china's situations.

That was really a Dragon Era.

But now,after china's strict actions against bitcoin,china is fastly losing its dominance in the bitcoin world.Now,bitcoin world no more consider china as an important factor in deciding bitcoin's future.The only feature which china still have connected to bitcoin is its largest number of mining farms.
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October 24, 2017, 12:12:37 AM
China’s dominance of the bitcoin network is incredibly concerning to the digital currency’s techno-libertarian purists, who fear that the concentration of mining power in the world’s second-largest economy is threatening to subvert bitcoin’s democratic nature. With more than half of the network’s hashing power resting in their hands, giant Chinese mining pools like AntPool, Bitmain and the other massive bitcoin-mining conglomerates can effectively monopolize control over the bitcoin blockchain.

Given bitcoin’s stated aim – to bypass the authority of central banks and governments and return control of the world’s money supply to individuals – many have noted the incongruity between the currency’s democratic aspirations, and the Chinese government’s apparent willingness to tolerate, and even nurture, the country’s bitcoin industry.

“Bitcoin Uncensored” explained one theory for the Chinese government's embrace of bitcoin: The People’s Bank of China is using its jawboning powers to manipulate the price of the digital currency to benefit politically connected elites.

“The CCP is not out to kill bitcoin – at least not right now. Since China can have such a huge impact on the price of bitcoin, why wouldn’t the Chinese government use this power to its advantage? Chinese government regulators can, in theory, exert a huge influence on the global price of bitcoin. So, if you own bitcoin, well, the value of your money can be heavily influenced by the whims of the world’s largest authoritarian regime.”
As the theory goes, the massive swings in bitcoin’s valuation witnessed back in 2013 were engineered by the PBOC when authorities prohibited local financial institutions from dealing in the digital currency. In early September of that year, one bitcoin was worth $100. By late November, the price had ballooned to $1,000. Then the price came crashing down seemingly overnight. Chinese authorities were widely blamed for the drop, which created what should’ve been an incredible buying opportunity.



But whatever the PBOC’s plans might’ve been, they were disrupted by the collapse of Japanese bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, which ushered in a bear market that endured until late 2015.

However, more than two years later, Chinese authorities again resorted to jawboning to influence the bitcoin price when they announced in January that they were investigating the country’s digital currency exchanges. After forcing the three biggest exchanges in the country, BTCC, Huobi and OKCoin, trading volumes in China dissipated and the price fell – though not by as much as in 2013, creating yet another buying opportunity. But the time withdrawals were reinstated four months later, the digital currency had climbed to all-time highs, driven largely by an influx of Japanese and South Korean retail investors who have been enticed by the promise of exponential returns during the modern low-interest rate environment.

Of course, Chinese authorities have plenty of other reasons to try and control the bitcoin market. Here’s BU with more:

“So why has the Chinese regime been targeting bitcoin other than it being a democratic currency? There are a few reasons. First Chinese people can use bitcoin to get their money out of China. The Chinese regime has limits on the amount of foreign currency people can buy. But Chinese investors can buy bitcoin in China then later exchange that for foreign currency in any amount they want.
 
Huge fortunes that might be made through corruption could be safely stored out of reach of China’s pesky investigators. That is why China’s central bank started investigating bitcoin exchanges back in February, and threatened to shut down exchanges that violated rules on foreign exchange payments and settlement. That was why China’s central bank started investigating bitcoin exchanges back in February and threatened to shut down exchanges that violated rules on foreign exchange management, money laundering and payment and settlement.
To be sure, it’s unclear how much money is being moved out of China through bitcoin. Bitcoin transactions in China are not anonymous since you have to link a Chinese bank card to your bitcoin account. You could move a few thousand yuan, but large amounts would attract attention.”

Should it choose to use it, Chinese authorities have at their disposal what BU describes as “the ultimate sword of Damocles.”

“The Chinese government has the ultimate sword of Damocles over bitcoin operations in China. Chinese regulators could crack down on bitcoin by classifying it as a foreign currency which would limit individual transactions to $50,000 a year.”
While the Chinese government could easily crush the bitcoin market, it hasn’t because that would allow miners in other countries to usurp its dominance – something the PBOC might find difficult to undo. China is home to between 50% and 70% of the world’s bitcoin mining operations, BU reports.

Below is chart illustrates the bitcoin network's hashrate distribution by mining pool. As the graphic clearly shows, Chinese pools control more than half of the network's power, though the exact percentage is in constant flux because miners are constantly competing to process the next block of transactions: (source: blockchain.info)



Instead of cracking down on the mining community, the Chinese government has been effectively propping it up by supplying its miners with cheap electricity.

Major bitcoin mines in China’s northwest are being given access to government supported low cost wind and solar power. Powering the computer servers needed to mine digital currencies is one of the biggest financial challenges that bitcoin miners face. The PBOC’s logic here is easy to spot: The more bitcoin miners who set up shop in the China, the greater the control the PBOC exercises over the global bitcoin market.

Lingering fears of a crackdown have only served to benefit the government’s position. As BU explains:

“A lot of people feel they should buy as much bitcoin as they can right now, which will of course further drive up the price, possibly making officials very rich.”
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After bitcoin plunged to a two-week low earlier Thursday, CNBC and a handful of other media organizations blamed the latest drop on a trifecta of reasons ranging from cyberattacks to new regulations that are presently being debated by US Congress. An outline of their reasoning can be found below:

Cyber attack

As CNBC reports, major bitcoin exchanges were hit with multiple cyberattacks this week. Bitfinex, the largest U.S. dollar based bitcoin exchange, announced it was under ‘distributed denial-of-service’ attacks (DDOS) which slowed the service down.  The attacks come at a time when consumer interest in bitcoins have also led to heavier than normal traffic on the exchanges, compounding the attacks.

We are currently running slow due to a DDoS attack, hang tight while we make some adjustments to speed it up. #bitcoin #localbitcoins
— LocalBitcoins.com (@LocalBitcoins) August 16, 2016
Platform upgrade

On August 1st, the bitcoin platform will be undergoing a protocol upgrade labeled BIP148, meant to solve the block size debate – an argument over the size of bitcoin’s ‘blocks’ (a record of transactions on the public ledger – the ‘blockchain’). The planned improvements are supposed to help ‘scale’ bitcoin for future growth, lower fees, and speed up transaction times –  however the upgrade is not without risks, and the Bitcoin community is divided.

#Bitcoin scaling negotiations / compromises are over.
Either we support BIP148 and save Bitcoin from destruction or 8 years gone to waste. Huh?
— Hisham Fahmy (@fahmyeu) June 14, 2017
Whether we like it or not, at this point not supporting BIP148 is the dangerous path. With most risks being to miners & services, not users.
— Neo M. Atrix (@RedPillTrading) June 4, 2017
Inclusion in Anti-Money Laundering Bill:

Last but not least, Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), John Cornyn (R-TX) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) have co-sponsored bill S.1241 (Combating Money Laundering, Terrorist Financing and Counterfeiting Act), which adds language to existing anti-money laundering provisions to include digital wallets, prepaid access devices, and other ‘digital currency exchangers’ if they contain over $10,000 of cryptocurrency. Also included in the bill are cell phones, flash drives, and computers containing information on holdings which will need to be declared and reported upon entry into the U.S. In other words, the notion of using digital currency to transact anonymously will become much less attractive if this bill is signed into law.

Demand for cryptocurrencies has skyrocketed over the last few months, beginning with Japan recognizing bitcoin as legal currency in April. Other countries including South Korea and Malaysia are reportedly set to follow suit.

Chinese leader Xi Jinping has vowed to combat corruption among China’s business and political elite – a crackdown that recently led to the detention of the CEO of Anbang, China's hyperacquisitive insurance conglomerate. The company has been blamed for a sizable portion of China's merger spree between 2014 and 2016, and which has since been accused of being a money laundering vehicle, of wreaking "havoc" with the Chinese insurance market.
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October 24, 2017, 12:01:18 AM

Bitcoin is currently down 7.7 percent, Ethereum is down 11 percent, Bitcoin Cash (which is quite popular in China) is down 11.2 percent, etc. But if you go on Chinese exchanges, the crash is even more important. For instance, Bitcoin is down 13.4 percent and Ethereum is down 18.4 percent on OKCoin.
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October 22, 2017, 06:12:38 AM
because China is one of the big market of Bitcoin, many of them become Bitcoin users, this can be seen  in the amount bug miner coming from china especially many big ASIC producers are from there, i.e. Avalon and Bitmain. mining is very popular in there thanks to the cheap electricity costs and this makes many people involved in it. this is the reason why China become a big market and it seems their  government supported it even though exchanges and ICO were banned few weeks ago.
Yup because most of bitcoin exisy here is because of china.. they play a big role and part of crypto community..
Large number of bitcoin was circulating in china and they have the ability to mine more than other.. and also most of investors was located in china... the more good econony the influencial they are
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October 22, 2017, 06:06:23 AM
because China is one of the big market of Bitcoin, many of them become Bitcoin users, this can be seen  in the amount bug miner coming from china especially many big ASIC producers are from there, i.e. Avalon and Bitmain. mining is very popular in there thanks to the cheap electricity costs and this makes many people involved in it. this is the reason why China become a big market and it seems their  government supported it even though exchanges and ICO were banned few weeks ago.
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October 20, 2017, 01:09:25 AM
As far as I recently read, china hold at least 20% of bitcoin around the world. They also have the biggest bitcoin mining due to the cost of electricity in their country was very low.
But i don't think that bitcoin will go down just because of that because other countries in ASIA are starting to adopt Bitcoin.
I think you are wrong because as I heard they are mining more than 50 percent of all the bitcoins. But it is not only the reason of their influence. They have a strong hold on the world market of almost everything. China is the only country who exports the largest volume of their production. They already have the influence over the market of everything and so is their influence on bitcoin.
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