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Topic: Just because prices are high, doesn't mean that is a good investment. - page 5. (Read 714 times)

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Well.... Bitcoin and Crypto currencies has now been around since 2009 (12 Years) ..... so if this was one of those "Dot Com" bubbles... it had to burst a long time ago. The pre-bubble period of the Dotcom bubble went from 1995 to 1997, the actual bubble took place from 1998 until March 2000 and the bubble-burst from March 2000 until the low-point of the NASDAQ score in October 2002... +/- 6 years.  Roll Eyes
Source : https://www.grin.com/document/197166

Berkshire Hathaway are one of the most desired shares in the world.. because one of the richest men in America owns most of it and stupid people follow rich people's recipe... but they never get it right, because they do not get the insider information that these rich people get.  Roll Eyes
I think the point of the OP is to not fall into the FOMO that is present in all markets, especially this one, people see altcoins going up in value really quickly and they want a piece of the action as well without taking the time to think if that is what they should actually be doing.

Then the coin begins to go down shortly after their investment and they suffer losses they could have avoided if they just took the time to think for a few moments if what they were doing was right.
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The amount of people who quit their jobs because they believe they will continue to make the type of profit they will make forever is way too high and it is very dangerous as well. People hate working nowadays, it is not like back in the day and we are not getting what we are worth, it is obvious that 90%+ of the world works for less than what they worth, and that is the biggest reason why we have so many wealthy people while having 100 million more than that poor people, for every billionaire there is 100 million people who are under poverty level.

So, people try to quit their job as soon as possible since it doesn't pay what they are worth, yet they do that as soon as they make some profit on crypto during bull run, and realize their mistakes during bear run and that is why it is such a huge problem, I do not know what could happen to prevent this, but it is definitely an issue in crypto.
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Price is definitely a very important factor when it comes to an asset, in general it's not the only thing to look for but you also have to understand the fact that it shows the overall economic health of the company.

Other than that there are few things that one can look for as well.

1. Profits
2. Graph
3. Sales
4. Market value
5. Growth rate
6. Legal issues
    
At the end of the day if the company is strong thus the whole price per asset would be strong as well, no doubt, I do think price is defiantly important, also the profit percentage can be calculated as well, you can look for a fixed amount of time in the past and then calculate the overall profit the people made and how the price rose.

Just do final - initial value and do it for fixed intervals, this way you would have much better idea of what you are getting into and would also be able to get a hang of the Volatility.
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An asset in general having a price doesn't automatically mean good investment, but it doesn't automatically mean it's a bad investment either. It's simply just that solely looking at the price itself is a really bad metric to make decisions upon.
technically all depends on the assessment and research that we do.
It is true that any form that has value is not necessarily a good thing but it is also not necessarily a bad thing because it really depends on what is being done both in the project and in others.
but of course here when it comes to assets we must be able to really identify because that's the most important thing.
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When the price is high, it mean so many things in the market. It mean it is time to invest in a particular potential project that has so much to offer in the future. The moment the price of bitcoin increase there are many sellers and few buyers in the market who will confirm the price to other investors that is good to invest or not.
Many professional traders who really understood investment, that when the price of bitcoin increase does not mean is a good investment until the end of the investment to see what will be the out come of the results. When the price is high and you purchase a coin, is either you make profit or loss in the investment.
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I think that you have a point, bitcoin and cryptocurrency have gained their popularity from the fact that its price is high and that same high volatile price is what got people hooked on it and investing millions of dollars in it, but this came at the cost of forgetting the true nature of what it is, because at first people invested in it for the concept and the fact that it is a new currency that will replace fiat, but now people do it just for the money and the profit and they don't care about it.
indeed the main orientation about cryptocurrency is profit. until now there will be more people who view crypto as a tool for profit rather than as a currency. but that's the real fact and we have to be able to adapt to it. there will be more people who know about crypto, of course, more and more people will invest, and that means profits for early investors
If they can see the chance to make a profit, they will not lose that chance instead will trying to get involved. The more they can involve, the more the chances they can make money but they need to learn more to get that way. Although the price is too high to buy, if they decide to invest monthly or some certain time, they will have the chance to make a profit in the future. It is about how consistent they can invest in crypto so their profit will be bigger.
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I think that you have a point, bitcoin and cryptocurrency have gained their popularity from the fact that its price is high and that same high volatile price is what got people hooked on it and investing millions of dollars in it, but this came at the cost of forgetting the true nature of what it is, because at first people invested in it for the concept and the fact that it is a new currency that will replace fiat, but now people do it just for the money and the profit and they don't care about it.
legendary
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Just recently I saw about "greater fool theory":

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The Greater Fool Theory is the idea that, during a market bubble, one can make money by buying overvalued assets and selling them for a profit later, because it will always be possible to find someone who is willing to pay a higher price.

Interesting logic, and when you give it a thought it's exactly about people who are just buying at high prices... what is expensive must be good, but that is not always the case! This headline reminded me of this, it's something that happens all the time, with many people... draw your own conclusions from that!
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But in crypto, if you invest in a high price coin, that price can get down anytime, and that will happen too with bitcoin. But the difference is bitcoin price can rise and make a new ATH while the altcoin needs longer to reach the new ATH. If you want to invest in altcoin, you need to wait for the big bear run so you can buy many good coins at the lowest price. But investing in bitcoin is worth doing, even if the price now is at $51k. We can only suggest you research before you do something with the investment.
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That won't apply to investing because assets appreciate overtime but at the same time, people are still investing in those so-called expensive investments, they're bound to grow, that's why you need to get in as early as possible.
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And with crypto, who the hell knows what the real valuation should be for any of them?  Your guess is as good as anyone else's.  I think the crypto market is probably the best example of an efficient market, because a coin is worth exactly what the market says it's worth at any given point.

Well, I would like to disagree.

In a perfectly efficient market, all information about a particular coin will be available to everyone in it.

This is in stark contrast to the actual information that most coins show, which is often very scant.

If crypto is an efficient market, then Bitconnect, OneCoin and all of those other scams wouldn't have got to the size they had.
You know EMH is just a theory; In reality, there's no such thing as perfectly efficient market where there's no overvalued and undervalued stocks. I think maybe semi-strong is the highest attainable form of efficiency in the US stock market.

Previously my point is to distinguish commodity vs stocks. You can see the quality (present) by its price tag since the stock market is "reasonably efficient." Try to do that in crypto and you'll get busted real quick.

Crypto market isn't even a weak form per the definition since up to this date I believe it's possible to earn excess return using historical data. Furthermore, publicly available information is not robust to the point that some of "the team" are anonymous, no accountability, etc.
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I have seen this kind of argument that just because the price of a commodity is high means that it is a great investment.

To a certain extent, a high price often means that investors have faith in the fundamentals of the commodity (For example, one of the most expensive shares in the American stock market is Berkshire Hathaway, which has consistently outperformed the S&P 500 since 1965).

However, there is the potential that high prices don't actually show genuine interest in a stock, but rather frenzied speculation on a commodity that has poor fundamentals.

A prime example of this happening was at the dot com bubble in the early 2000s.

What happened was companies that were, to be frank, pretty shit had managed to get multi-billion dollar evaluations because investors believed that the internet had fundamentally changed the business landscape forever.

As a result, people quit their jobs to trade full time, media stoked up the desires of getting rich and everyone believed that this gravy train will carry on rolling on and on forever.

Then the combination of increased interest rates, the majority of the aforementioned companies burning through cash and investors becoming aware of it all lead to the technology and by extension the entire economy to collapse while a few key members making big money.

This entire situation was the very exemplar of the title as companies that had billions of dollars turned out to be worthless at the end.

Be vigilant.

In short term, don't just follow the hype and do not FOMO. Not everything that you see going an uptrend in the market chart is worth the investment. Most of the coins in the market that are going up can be a really good form of investment but always do your own research about something that you'll put your money in. Make sure to check if that certain coin has a strong project ongoing or strong planned projects ahead that could establish the foundation of the coin. Check the white paper of it to ensure stability and reliability. If the coin does not exhibit a long-term goal, make sure to put that in mind too, otherwise, you'll lose money. Because there are coins that are just ideal for short-term investment or spot trading. If you fail to remember this, consider your money gone. Instead of "buy low, sell high" you might end up "buy high, sell low" just to get back some of your capital.
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In my opinion, an investment asset with a high price is certainly very worthy of consideration, especially if the investment asset had a low value before but now has a high price, of course there are certain reasons and causes that make the price of the asset increase and last all this time high prices, as we have seen so far, bitcoin is the most expensive asset in crypto and one of the reasons why bitcoin prices are expensive is the fundamentals and limited stock that has been the trigger for the price increase, but even so it's a good idea to find out first and analyze in detail about what you will invest.
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doesn't matter if the price is higher or lower in cryptocurrency for this the market needs to be alert when the value of the currency rises and falls no one can control the proper movement of prices because there is always volatility in the market. Investors are often at a disadvantage when investing in high prices. Before entering the crypto market know well and go ahead and research its sites its price increase attracts a lot of investors but if you can choose the right currency.
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Well, bitcoin has a high price, does that mean that bitcoin isn't a worthy investment? Pretty sure that you can invest little by little if you want to or probably you might even try saving to afford the investment but that's not going to be easy.
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It doesn't matter if the price of a financial asset is high or low.
What matters is whether or not the value of that asset is overvalued or undervalued.The financial markets aren't perfect.Some assets are overvalued,others are sometimes undervalued.Asset valuation is a pretty important part of finance.Some assets are more scarce than others,that's why their price behaves in a different way.
Having a high price doesn't necessarily mean that the asset is overvalued.
Also having a low price doesn't always mean that the asset is undervalued,most of the time assets with low value are just financial junk-just look at all the penny stocks on the stock markets or all the shitcoins in the cryptocurrency market.


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If you come when the price is high then obviously it's not the time to go in and place a price order. They grew because of the high level of investor confidence in the past. And you come at a time where it's impossible to show anything when looking at crypto prices already having foreign commodities and holding on so far. It shows that investing in crypto has provided huge benefits.
The people in that situation would be in a deadlock, if they don't go in now and invest even if the prices are high and the prices continues to go up, they will end up with nothing but regret and get in at a wrong time. For me, it's faith in the investment is what we should have so we don't do anything wrong with our investments.
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There will be stocks that are "over-priced" but commodities? I dont indulge myself much in the commodity market, but I can say that there is a constant demand for metals like Copper and Aluminum and they will maintain prices enough for their sellers to make a profit.

Before investing in a certain stock one needs to do some groundwork on what they are buying. I agree that crazy buying can happen but these people get washed out quickly and probably never come back again. The situation of bubbles that happened, a lot of reasons were there but these bubbles cannot be foreseen.

Today we can criticize those who had lost money back then but we forget that if we were in that same situation probably we also would have done the same. Roll Eyes

Now comparing with the crypto market, altcoins are "over-hyped" there is no doubt it. But the hype with bitcoin is less and the situation that happened with fiat is less likely with bitcoin. For those who are bitcoin maximalists, I dont think there is any problem here.
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If you have been familiar with crypto for a long time, you will know when it is time to enter or be able to re-enter investing. The more we know about market trends, the more we know about price movements and the right time to enter.
On the other side, high prices can also attract new people to enter, and attract other enthusiasts as if that price has indeed shown its superiority and seems to provide concrete evidence that over time, crypto has shown its increasing popularity, esp on investment.
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Judging investments should be done on what it would be in the future, and not the current. That being said it also doesn't mean that when the price is low, it means it's a good investment. That's why finding a good investment at times is hard, it's like predicting the future. Identifying what the trend is, looking out for possible advancements that a project could bring, stuff like that. One should probably look at multiple factors instead of just a single factor before judging an asset.
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