Topic: Just-Dice scam (Read 3490 times)

Does that mean I've won a prize or something? Maybe a new award? Or is that just a passive "thank you?" If it's the latter, you're absolutely welcome.

Congratulations ranlo. Your posts are really contributing to the community.

That's not the scam. The scam is when you STOLE my virginity. You said "just the tip." You lied! I can never get that back, either!

Because ignoring everything I said except the 1 single thing that could be sexualized really really backs your point of view. BTW not everything is always sexual.


That's pretty funny!

It kind of sucks, but at least I'm not him.

I feel bad for you Doog, and any other legit gambling site owner. You have to deal with a little bit of everybody, even the most mindless claims.

Yeah, but also just-dice.com has a hyphen!  That must mean it's a scam, right?!?

Seriously, someone used that argument before.

Quick question: How does the looks of JD point towards a scam? I would be much more worried about a site with flashy gimmicks being a scam than something like JD.

also, it is clear you have never taken a course or have been trained in user interface designing. Just dice looks good, it's balanced, it's easy to navigate and use. The site shows (almost) all the info you want and all the info you need in logical places that's easy to get to. You never have more than 4 (maybe 5) steps to do a certain action. The interface isn't clustered, it doesn't cause frustration and is actually rather calming. The UI design for JD is rather remarkable.

When designing an interface, there are more important things to take into consideration than not looking like it was designed by a 14 yo girl (which it doesn't, you've obviously not spent time with girls that age)

I would just post with that account had it been under my control. Making personal insults against legit criticism makes you sound like the butthurt one, virtually any dice website looks better than JD, Primedice etc etc. Am I a shill for every other dice website out there as well?

I was accused to be related to the Casinobit business by some idiot off the forum with no evidence, I have later read the posts by tmbp. How the fuck does that make me more related to the whole deal?

It featured red text on a red background for much of its user interface.  It had almost no traffic.  And the investment feature they copied from JD was so badly botched that early investors were able to withdraw investments made by later investors.  Kind of an unintentional Ponzi scheme.

It would have been funny if so many people didn't lose coins to the owner's incompetence.


I didn't say you were trying to promote your dead site.  I was wondering if perhaps you were butthurt because your site was such a horrific failure in every way, and so you feel like the only way to explain it is to decide that successful sites must be scams in some way.


The "someone else" made the exact same crazy point in the same aggressive way, exhibited the same faulty reasoning and had the same writing style as you.  He had also already been identified as one of your socks independently of me.  So it's either a really weird coincidence, or you're not being entirely truthful.

Anyway, thanks for playing.  It's been fun.

Dooglus you are with the website which looks like it was designed by a 14 year old, how anyone could design a crappier looking website I have no idea but it definitely sounds like an accomplishment.

Another person has mentioned the same flaw, surprise surprise, we must be both shills for the same website which no longer exists? How does pointing out your flaws supposedly helps promote another website again?

Perhaps I have read the post before, I wasn't aware that someone else had made the same exact accusation some time ago, however I don't see how it helps your case.

I'm back, and disappointed but unsurprised to find that OP hasn't made any kind of sensible response to my posts.


The word "sheeple" in someone's vocabulary is pretty much unique in this respect.  Using it three times in a short succession is quite conclusive:


You couldn't say anything like the same about MtGox.  They never published a list of user balances, and only once (to my knowledge) did any kind of proof of holding coins with the 424242 BTC transaction or whatever it was.  What you could say about MtGox would be:

"MtGox held large amounts of customer funds but never proved they were solvent.  It was therefore not particularly surprising when they declared bankruptcy.  Just-Dice on the other hand proves their solvency every week, and has been doing so since shortly after launch, well before MtGox shut down, so there's really no similarity".

That would be more truthful but wouldn't help your case.

I wonder what your real motivation is behind this witch hunt.  Is it something to do with your own failed casino site I wonder?  Weren't you the guy who tried to copy JD's investment model on a crappy video-based roulette site and ended up "losing" customer funds somehow?


"Yours truly" means "me", not "him".  Doesn't it?

Oh, by the way I managed to find the post where I was previously called a scammer for not publishing transaction IDs.  It's from "tmbp" who I've long believed to be the guy who ran casinobit (into the ground), and I'm not the only one:

No, actually you cannot, Mt. Gox is a false comparison with a very different business model and was not nearly as transparent as dooglus has been with Just-Dice.  

Encouraging critical thinking is a worthy goal, but I'm not sure the way to engender it is to walk into a chat room and accusing someone of being a scammer along a dimension that really would not benefit them much.  YMMV.

So you are trying to say that the actual amount invested is greater then what he says? If this was the case, having fake bets would make no difference.

This Heartbleed talk is generalized nonsense. You're basically asking the operator to divulge information about users under the pretense of fraud accusations. Unfortunately, people who are not you are not privy to whatever is happening inside your head, so there is nothing irrational about having the suspicion that these are your intentions. It might not even be that you yourself have any law enforcement position, but you could very well be someone nabbed for something turning states evidence to plea your situation down. We have no way of knowing, and it doesn't help that no normal person would ever give this much of a shit about what you're talking about!

This is true, and in some cases the conspiracies come true (or are true). Everyone has to make their own judgements, and while I understand where you're coming from on that, you're just not putting it in a way where I can see it the same way you do.

so... guys casinobit.net is apparently a very nice casino, owned by yours truly... as an alt account of course.

You could say the same about the owners of Gox before it all went down, I just want to encourage critical thinking and make people question their blind decisions.

Reading mad's posts makes me think he's a conspiracy theorist. I just don't see enough proof against Dooglus, and Dooglus appears to be as transparent as possible without risking the safety of his investors/players.

Just gotta say as always, dooglus +1 for being clear and explaining things.  

It should be obvious to everyone by now that if you were a crook you'd been gone a long time ago.  You yourself have already explained how while you can make a reasonably provably fair system for players, it's really hard to make one for investors.

So Mad if you want to be critical that may be a more useful avenue.

Not choosing to implement a system that may further prove you are honest does not make one dishonest.

Good Luck!

It could be that the volume of fake bets got so high that people invested themselves, it could be that some investments don't show up on the website after an investor invests.

If this was the case, then why does the balance of the cold wallet plus the hot wallet total more then then invested amount? Clearly he has possession of the coins he says he has.

Is releasing your public key then considered a compromise on privacy? JD accounts are pseudoanonymous like Bitcoin itself, please help me distinguish the parallels.


I was taking an example to an extreme and even then you fail to answer it, most fiat casino are under the supervision of some organization which is ridiculous to begin with. Had I proposed to chose the "roll" myself in an honest manner the probability of me not being a scammer is so minuscule that assuming that I am one would be a question of logic for the average intellectual.


It could be found out that the worth of the casino was non-existent while fake bets were being created, additional fake investors could be created in order toe balance everything out since I imagine not every single person checks whether he is on the list.

Bitcoin debt issued out of thin air.

I knew someone would bring it up, consider the latest openssl bug, now realize that chances are almost all authorities and/or organizations that would want to access this information already have access to it.

The only ones who cannot access it are private organizations and/or people like you or me.

In the logs posted, the op strikes me as law enforcement trying to do blockchain analytics on large tx betters using this service as a honeypot.

Clearly you haven't a fucking clue who I am.  

If you can't take the degen heat. Stay out of the degen den.

I'm with you on this. I've followed Dooglus for a long time now and I haven't seen anything suspicious. We can all make up things and come up with stories as to why he's running a scam, but that's all they are.

But this isn't a flaw in logic at all.  It's a decision not to release personal information about JD customers to the public.


I don't see the relevance.  JD is provably fair.  Whether or not there are "fake" bets on the site is unrelated to whether the site plays fair with the "real" bets.

But to answer your question, "no".  You're not a scammer if you make a non-provably fair game.  Almost no fiat gambling site in the world is provably fair.  What makes you a scammer is if you are scamming people, not the absence of proof of the absence of scam.


Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one.  You can think what you want.  Others might be tempted to share your opinion if you could present it in a way that makes sense to them.

If there's a flaw, please describe it and how it could be exploited?  What's the worse that could happen if I was some evil MySQL/PHP-fueled genius with a fake bet machine?  What's the doomsday scenario here?  You seem to be comparing JD to MtGox, but JD is provably solvent, and whether or not Gox had "fake trades" on their site wasn't related to their eventual demise.  So what gives?

Edit: dooglus was faster posting the log
it's mostly tl;dr though because it's basically repetition

btw: I also don't like people behaving like they just crawled out of a dumpster *looking at KLYE and friends* but that's the internet, period.

edit2: just saw that your bitcointalk reputation is negative, while dooglus' is positive. Really? WTF were you thinking when accusing people from an account like this?

I will not argue your logic, I will leave that up to Dooglus. All that I still want to say is: innocent until proven guilty, NOT the other way around.

The bit about the cold wallet was meant as a joke.  Someone said:


to which I replied:


Sorry if you didn't get that.  You see, hackers can't get into the cold wallet.  Because it's cold (ie. offline).  Funny, right?  Sigh.

Anyway, here's the full unedited log:

Please show a screencap or any concrete evidence in the topic that was already opened in an attempt to extort funds from me without any evidence what-so-ever.

The main accuser that came up with the theory claims that it is because our style of writing is incredibly similar, being an intelligent individual with remarkable grammar I would be surprised if there wasn't someone like me in existence.

Thanks.

(will address doogluses long post in a second)
My point was that if someone leaves out this huge potential flaw in the logic of their website in exchange for little to no (supposed) gain then it is incredibly suspicious.

If I theoretically decided to run an online casino but not integrate any provable fairness at all and assure players that I will choose a random number from 0 to 10 on every bet in an honest manner, am I then a scammer despite the players having no concrete evidence showing that I am favoring one of them?

My opinion is that dooglus is a scammer until proven otherwise, the fact is that there is a huge flaw which could potentially be exploited.

I see you have deleted your posts on CasinoBit's topic, but once on the net...

Here you go: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/casinobit-live-roulette-invest-best-casino-of-2013.100683/page-56#post-3107265

Sorry, here it is: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/casinobit-live-roulette-invest-best-casino-of-2013-171094

We have free speech, and I wouldn't try to stop you exercising it.  Just-Dice isn't a scam, and from what I see you don't even have a slightly convincing argument that it is.

I don't like Klye's argument style much either.  It's not helpful to shout "retard" and "mongoloid" at people.  But I think you started it, calling everyone "sheeple" and such like.  Your whole style in the chat was aggressive and abusive, so it's not entirely surprising you were met with the same in exchange.

Moving on, can we have a discussion now?

I am sorry that people resorted to name calling and insulting *frowns towards klye*. It is rude, unprofessional and usually shows lack of proof or reasoning.


You came in calling dooglus a scammer, saying he IS running a scam, he IS placing fake bets, I would not call this "provocative to the minimum". You only later said he could be running a scam, etc. Once again, name calling does not help either party.


I was planning on covering the other topics, but dooglus did a good job on that, so I won't be reposting what he said.

the community needs people like you ? lmfao, yeah reading your trust rating,shows exactly the type of person you are.  hilarious the idea you have of yourself in your head, shame the reality is completely different

Please post the logs, one second you disappear because "someone is hacking the cold wallet" another second one of your other moderators supposedly bans me accidentally. Just that fact alone should make players cautious.

I'm not going to publish player deposit addresses.  If they want to, they can.  There's a bot for that.

This isn't "sketchy" in the slightest, and proves nothing about my trustworthiness.

I'm going out for a bit now, but I look forward to reading your reply when I return.

Please take your time and make your best effort at laying out a logical argument.  It's worth the effort.

I have never played nor ever will play at just-dice, I won't invest either. We have free speech here and I feel as if the community needs people like me more than ever to shed some light on scams before shit hits the fan and everyone is bitching and moaning on the forums like post-Gox again.

Your insults are pointless, discredit my claims don't insult the messenger, plus thanks for re-wording exactly what I've told you and sending it back, I appreciate despite the fact that the way I've said it was more classy.

Me quoting your insults are meant to shed some light on the kind of degeneracy that looms those chats, not as a compliment, but take it however you will.

Not by me you weren't.  I was incredibly patient with you even though you failed to present any kind of reasonable point.

Eventually one of the chat moderators with less patience than myself put an end to your pointless trolling.

I can post a log of the chat if you like so others can decide whether:


or whether you were just trolling.


This is the kind of nonsense you were spouting in the chat too.  I'll try to address it.

* I don't add any fake bets to the site.  The server often struggles to keep up with the volume of real bets we get.  I don't need to add any more volume.  I add artificial delays to low-stake bets precisely to reduce the number of bets going through the server.  This is documented in the FAQ tab.

* Even if I did add fake bets, this wouldn't have anything to do with whether the site is provably fair or not.  The fake bets wouldn't affect your chance of winning or losing.  You can verify that all your rolls were made fairly.

* Why would the presence of fake bets make the site look more secure than it is?  It wouldn't.

* Why would I care about making the site look like it's worth more than it is?  It's not for sale.  I've turned down several huge buy-out offers.

* Players bet on Just-Dice because it's provably fair, and because it has a long (in Bitcoin years) history of reliably paying out winners.

* I don't need to attract investors.  I have too many already.  They're diluting my share of the profits.  I don't need to make the site look more attractive to investors.

Did I miss anything?  Oh, you think I use MySQL and PHP?  I don't.


Someone asked me to provide complete blockchain transaction histories for all players once before, too.  Was that you?  I could quite easily provide a bunch of fake deposit transactions to go along with any fake bets.  You're probably not realising that most of the bets are really tiny dust bets, worth fractions of a cent.  It would be trivial to find enough untainted coins to produce txids for deposits to these 'fake' accounts.  So I'd be publishing personal information of every player for no gain at all, other than kind of convincing you that I'm not adding fake bets to the site that make no sense for me to add anyway.  No thanks.


As it currently stands, there's a third-party bot in the chat that you can register your deposit address with, for the purposes of collecting 'rain'.  Many players chose to disclose their deposit address, and along with it their deposit history.  I don't want to force that disclosure on everyone.


I don't know if you're familiar with how Just-Dice proves its solvency on a weekly basis, but we've been doing it since before MtGox closed.  Search the FAQ tab for "Is this site a scam or Ponzi scheme? Is it insolvent?" for full details, but basically we:

1) publish a weekly list of investor balances
2) keep the majority of invested coins in a well-known address

Each investor can then check that the coins they invested are still held by us.  This is something that MtGox wouldn't have been able to do since they apparently were insolvent, and something that has become quite fashionable since the MtGox collapse.

If you have any remaining concerns, please feel free to bring them up and I'll do my best to address them.

It is irrelevant, dooglas has proved to be untrustworthy by his sketchy behavior. It would cost little to nothing to have what I'm suggesting implemented and rule out this possibility yet he never will.

I think the exact words I used were: You are to retarded for logic and you should kill yourself and your children to avoid your genetics further polluting the human race..



Or something along those lines.

Provable fair is known to have its flaws. No system can be 100% provable fair. At then end of the day it's just some numbers proving that the rolled numbers were prerolled ahead of time and in this case were not altered.

If you think doog is going to scam you, don't play at just dice. Simple as that.


Doog has no need to run bots to make his numbers improved. He owns the #1 dice site in BTC land hands down.



You haven't a leg to stand on nor the IQ to even understand logic or reason.
I'm also glad the first thing you mentioned was me telling you to off yourself.  

Cheers you mongoloid fuck,

Kyle.T

SatoshiDice is a dice game.
Just-Dice is a Hi-Lo dice game.

SatoshiDice has also been suspected of using bots on some bets.

Please provide evidence.


Could potentially be, Satoshidice sure does prove every bet.

PrimeDice and some other betting websites doesn't do this. Plus, most people who bet also use the chat? Or all of those bots used by Dooglus, too?

Don't you owe a bunch of coins to CasinoBit bettors and investors?

Greetings,

I raised the issue of just-dice being a potential scam with Dooglus himself but was called a retard that should commit suicide to prevent my genetics from ruining the gene pool by one of the players and banned shortly after.

I was provocative to the minimum given the circumstances as I was slandered by mentally challenged players which ironically are the very ones I'm trying to save.

The point that I have raised with Dooglus is that his provably fair concept isn't secure from all vectors, in fact it has a rather large flaw that could potentially (and very likely IS) be exploited by himself. The flaw is he could potentially be running a bot that runs Mysql queries and inserts "fake" bets. This would allow to make the website seem more secure than it really is as well as giving the impression that it is significantly more busy, worth significantly more and encourage players to make bets that they otherwise wouldn't on a website with less credibility, not to mention the investments.

The solution would be to add a link next to every bet, once a user clicks the link he would be redirected to a page showing all the txids of the deposits of the user making the bet. Since Dooglus couldn't possibly have access to those amounts of untainted BTC (he couldn't keep reusing the same BTC or else we'd notice) this would disprove my claim for all the future bets on this website with little to no cost to Dooglus.

Since every account on just-dice is psuedoanonymous in nature the same way as Bitcoin addresses privacy isn't a huge concern.

Given the nature of Dooglus and his unwillingness to meet in person due to the supposed risks on his side I am calling this out as the next Mt Gox.

Please stay safe and have a nice day!