http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.612085
Find this article to be very apt and on-the-money
Topic: Justifications for Gaza - page 2. (Read 2628 times)
it is different betwen how to defend ourselves and to attack the innocent people like israel do
defending palestina land from the terrorist like israel, must be done by the palestine people
how do you think if your freedom is taken by other, are you just do not anything
hopefully palestine will get their freedom ...
defending palestina land from the terrorist like israel, must be done by the palestine people
how do you think if your freedom is taken by other, are you just do not anything
hopefully palestine will get their freedom ...
Don't know much on the theories on the Gaza thing but The middle east conflict should stop Asap 
Did the 2005 Israeli redeployment from Gaza end Israeli military operations in Gaza?
No, while Israeli did withdraw its military bases from Gaza and redeployed its forces to bases outside of Gaza in 2005, it continues to carry out daily military operations in and attacks on Gaza. According to Defense for Children International – Palestine, during the first year after the disengagement the Israeli military fired over 15,000 shells into Gaza, conducted over 550 airstrikes on Gaza, and carried out regular military incursions into Gaza. A total of 525 Palestinians were killed and 1,527 injured during these attacks. This period included two major military operations. Operation Summer Rains during June 2006 left at least 256 Palestinians dead and 848 injured. At least 85 more Palestinians were killed in Gaza during a November 2006 military offensive which was codenamed Operation Autumn Clouds.
The next major Israeli military operation in Gaza was Operation Warm Winter in February and March 2008. During this attack Israel killed 120 (34 children) and injured 269 (at least 63 children) Palestinians. A ceasefire negotiated between Hamas and Israel in June 2008 dramatically lowered violence until Israel killed six Palestinians during an incursion into Gaza in November 2008. Tit for tat attacks between Gaza and Israel escalated over the next month until Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in December 2008. More than 1,400 Palestinians, the majority of them civilians, were killed by Israel during Operation Cast Lead and over 16,000 Gazans were permanently displaced from their homes which were destroyed during the attack. Finally, Israel carried out Operation Pillar of Cloud in Gaza during November 2012 killing 168 Palestinians and destroying hundreds of homes. Between all of these operations Israel conducted military incursions into Gaza or fired into Gaza using ground artillery, naval forces, and airstrikes on a daily basis.
Gazans suffered nearly 7 decades of oppresssion, murder and maiming by israeli brutal forces, if you are one of them would you just sit there do nothing and watch israeli soldiers kill your neighbours one by one until they kill you too?
No, while Israeli did withdraw its military bases from Gaza and redeployed its forces to bases outside of Gaza in 2005, it continues to carry out daily military operations in and attacks on Gaza. According to Defense for Children International – Palestine, during the first year after the disengagement the Israeli military fired over 15,000 shells into Gaza, conducted over 550 airstrikes on Gaza, and carried out regular military incursions into Gaza. A total of 525 Palestinians were killed and 1,527 injured during these attacks. This period included two major military operations. Operation Summer Rains during June 2006 left at least 256 Palestinians dead and 848 injured. At least 85 more Palestinians were killed in Gaza during a November 2006 military offensive which was codenamed Operation Autumn Clouds.
The next major Israeli military operation in Gaza was Operation Warm Winter in February and March 2008. During this attack Israel killed 120 (34 children) and injured 269 (at least 63 children) Palestinians. A ceasefire negotiated between Hamas and Israel in June 2008 dramatically lowered violence until Israel killed six Palestinians during an incursion into Gaza in November 2008. Tit for tat attacks between Gaza and Israel escalated over the next month until Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in December 2008. More than 1,400 Palestinians, the majority of them civilians, were killed by Israel during Operation Cast Lead and over 16,000 Gazans were permanently displaced from their homes which were destroyed during the attack. Finally, Israel carried out Operation Pillar of Cloud in Gaza during November 2012 killing 168 Palestinians and destroying hundreds of homes. Between all of these operations Israel conducted military incursions into Gaza or fired into Gaza using ground artillery, naval forces, and airstrikes on a daily basis.
Gazans suffered nearly 7 decades of oppresssion, murder and maiming by israeli brutal forces, if you are one of them would you just sit there do nothing and watch israeli soldiers kill your neighbours one by one until they kill you too?
For thousands of years, Gaza has been an important seaport and trade community, exporting agricultural produce to other areas of historic Palestine and serving as a way station for traders traveling along the Egypt-Syria trade route. Located in the southwest most corner of historic Palestine, Gaza is home to a wealth of natural resources including fertile agricultural land, rich fishing grounds, and large offshore natural gas reserves. Gaza also has beautiful beaches, a rich history, and a moderate climate, all of which make it a potentially attractive tourist destination. Add to this a highly educated and youthful population (60 percent under the age of 18, and over 40 percent age 14 or younger), and you might expect that Gaza’s development prospects were positive.
Unfortunately this is not the case. Gaza’s wealth is largely unreachable as a direct result of Israel’s occupation and blockade. Most agricultural land is located in places declared closed military areas (“no go” zones) or has been destroyed during military attacks. Access to traditional fishing grounds is restricted by the Israeli navy. Development of the natural gas reserves is forbidden by the Israeli government. All of this while the movement of people into and out of Gaza is severely restricted and both the import of goods and the export of products from Gaza is strictly limited. Military attacks over the last 13 years have also resulted in the near complete destruction of Gaza’s business and manufacturing base. As a result, the unemployment rate among Gaza’s 1.7 million residents is over 35 percent and poverty rates are even higher. More than 80 percent of the population is now dependent on international assistance for survival. Yet the people of Gaza have not lost hope, continuing to dream about and work for a better future.
Unfortunately this is not the case. Gaza’s wealth is largely unreachable as a direct result of Israel’s occupation and blockade. Most agricultural land is located in places declared closed military areas (“no go” zones) or has been destroyed during military attacks. Access to traditional fishing grounds is restricted by the Israeli navy. Development of the natural gas reserves is forbidden by the Israeli government. All of this while the movement of people into and out of Gaza is severely restricted and both the import of goods and the export of products from Gaza is strictly limited. Military attacks over the last 13 years have also resulted in the near complete destruction of Gaza’s business and manufacturing base. As a result, the unemployment rate among Gaza’s 1.7 million residents is over 35 percent and poverty rates are even higher. More than 80 percent of the population is now dependent on international assistance for survival. Yet the people of Gaza have not lost hope, continuing to dream about and work for a better future.
The IDF launched "Operation Protective Edge" on the 8th of July, more than a month ago. The operation involved shelling and a ground offensive.
More than 1800 people have died in Gaza, 3 civilians have died in Israel. 64 members of the IDF have died.
The UN estimate that more than 68% of the Palestinian dead are civilians, including 377 children and 196 women. The UN says that 2744 children have been injured - and they're referring to war wounds, not bruises. But what do these statistics mean?
Sadly, I feel that these numbers do not do justice to those dead and injured children - those children were not terrorists... perhaps their siblings or relatives may become terrorists in response to the grief they are carrying.
Children were playing on Gaza beach and were hit by a shell. They were playing on a beach. That's a disturbing mental image. When you see pictures of tiny corpses wrapped in cloth or children with shrapnel wounds and missing limbs. That is disturbing footage. And when I think of how many families in Gaza must be in anguish - how many mothers have held their baby's corpses? How many father's have lost their sons? How many children have lost their siblings? That is a disturbing reality, one which has compelled me to write this entry.
I have an 8 year old sister. If she died of an illness I would be distraught. However if she was murdered while she was playing in the park, I'm not even sure how I would feel - how can I guess how I would I feel in that situation? And I can only think that my mother would breakdown. Yet the appalling truth is that many people have numbed themselves to the suffering of the Palestinians.
I've stumbled across some deplorable justifications for the actions of the IDF in Gaza on social media and in articles. I'll run through a few and give my blunt opinion on them:
1) "Civilian casualties are a reality of warfare". These people are dressing up the phrase "shit happens". They're forgetting another reality: that Gaza is a strip of land - (hence Gaza strip) densely populated and can simply not be shelled without civilian casualties. The actions of the IDF have proven that the Israeli government are indifferent to the death of civilians in Gaza.
2) "There are far more people dying in conflicts within Arab countries such as Syria". Since when was it a contest? This opinion confuses me. It reminds of me of the debate around drug abuse, for instance heroin overdoses. Someone might say: "Well, far more people are dying from alcohol poisoning". That doesn't mean that heroin overdoses aren't an issue! What is that person suggesting: that it's worse to die from alcohol poisoning? Or maybe that alcohol poisoning is a "bigger" issue based on the number of deaths? To simply dismiss the conflict in Gaza is an insult to the civilians (many of whom were children) who have died there.
3) "The IDF's actions were justified - Hamas were firing rockets into Israel". It is true that Hamas were firing rockets into Israel. 3 Israeli citizens were killed by Hamas rockets and the lives of Israeli citizens were disrupted by rocket alarms. But does that justify the murder of 377 children? Does that justify injuring 2744 children? Can the murder of children ever be justified?? Those children weren't firing the rockets, and those injured (war wounds, not bruises) kids might not even have homes to return to... IDF shells killed those children. Was the IDF response proportionate? Does the IDF have the right to repeatedly violate UN resolutions?
A few interesting facts, people and perspectives:
The US government gave the IDF $8.5 million per day of 2013.
Gerald Kaufman - Jewish Labour MP , very heavy in his criticism of the Israeli government but not without a degree of validity
Gideon Levy - an Israeli journalist
More than 1800 people have died in Gaza, 3 civilians have died in Israel. 64 members of the IDF have died.
The UN estimate that more than 68% of the Palestinian dead are civilians, including 377 children and 196 women. The UN says that 2744 children have been injured - and they're referring to war wounds, not bruises. But what do these statistics mean?
Sadly, I feel that these numbers do not do justice to those dead and injured children - those children were not terrorists... perhaps their siblings or relatives may become terrorists in response to the grief they are carrying.
Children were playing on Gaza beach and were hit by a shell. They were playing on a beach. That's a disturbing mental image. When you see pictures of tiny corpses wrapped in cloth or children with shrapnel wounds and missing limbs. That is disturbing footage. And when I think of how many families in Gaza must be in anguish - how many mothers have held their baby's corpses? How many father's have lost their sons? How many children have lost their siblings? That is a disturbing reality, one which has compelled me to write this entry.
I have an 8 year old sister. If she died of an illness I would be distraught. However if she was murdered while she was playing in the park, I'm not even sure how I would feel - how can I guess how I would I feel in that situation? And I can only think that my mother would breakdown. Yet the appalling truth is that many people have numbed themselves to the suffering of the Palestinians.
I've stumbled across some deplorable justifications for the actions of the IDF in Gaza on social media and in articles. I'll run through a few and give my blunt opinion on them:
1) "Civilian casualties are a reality of warfare". These people are dressing up the phrase "shit happens". They're forgetting another reality: that Gaza is a strip of land - (hence Gaza strip) densely populated and can simply not be shelled without civilian casualties. The actions of the IDF have proven that the Israeli government are indifferent to the death of civilians in Gaza.
2) "There are far more people dying in conflicts within Arab countries such as Syria". Since when was it a contest? This opinion confuses me. It reminds of me of the debate around drug abuse, for instance heroin overdoses. Someone might say: "Well, far more people are dying from alcohol poisoning". That doesn't mean that heroin overdoses aren't an issue! What is that person suggesting: that it's worse to die from alcohol poisoning? Or maybe that alcohol poisoning is a "bigger" issue based on the number of deaths? To simply dismiss the conflict in Gaza is an insult to the civilians (many of whom were children) who have died there.
3) "The IDF's actions were justified - Hamas were firing rockets into Israel". It is true that Hamas were firing rockets into Israel. 3 Israeli citizens were killed by Hamas rockets and the lives of Israeli citizens were disrupted by rocket alarms. But does that justify the murder of 377 children? Does that justify injuring 2744 children? Can the murder of children ever be justified?? Those children weren't firing the rockets, and those injured (war wounds, not bruises) kids might not even have homes to return to... IDF shells killed those children. Was the IDF response proportionate? Does the IDF have the right to repeatedly violate UN resolutions?
A few interesting facts, people and perspectives:
The US government gave the IDF $8.5 million per day of 2013.
Gerald Kaufman - Jewish Labour MP , very heavy in his criticism of the Israeli government but not without a degree of validity
Gideon Levy - an Israeli journalist
you may choose to want to look at it from your angle, but you don't get it. the "civialians" and "children" over there are basically all allies of the enemy that kills people all the time. they aren't really any better...
israel is on its own besides the financial support they receive. th eonly reason more civialians die on the gaza side is because they purposefully put their weapons in schools an dhotels an dhospitals.
that is really it, and israel has missile interceptors called th eiron dome and gaza does not. israel drops leaflets and calls buildings to warn civilians to leave the area immediately as there are weapons there they are going to strike. unless you want a full scale invasion of gaza to go house to house and have more casualties thann what else do u expect.
It's complete utter one sided b.s.
With no connection(or maybe there is) there is plenty of evidence of hamas using ambulances to transport people and weapons.
With no connection(or maybe there is) there is plenty of evidence of hamas using ambulances to transport people and weapons.
then where is your "evidence"? can you provide it?
It's complete utter one sided b.s.
With no connection(or maybe there is) there is plenty of evidence of hamas using ambulances to transport people and weapons.
With no connection(or maybe there is) there is plenty of evidence of hamas using ambulances to transport people and weapons.
The IDF launched "Operation Protective Edge" on the 8th of July, more than a month ago. The operation involved shelling and a ground offensive.
More than 1800 people have died in Gaza, 3 civilians have died in Israel. 64 members of the IDF have died.
The UN estimate that more than 68% of the Palestinian dead are civilians, including 377 children and 196 women. The UN says that 2744 children have been injured - and they're referring to war wounds, not bruises. But what do these statistics mean?
Sadly, I feel that these numbers do not do justice to those dead and injured children - those children were not terrorists... perhaps their siblings or relatives may become terrorists in response to the grief they are carrying.
Children were playing on Gaza beach and were hit by a shell. They were playing on a beach. That's a disturbing mental image. When you see pictures of tiny corpses wrapped in cloth or children with shrapnel wounds and missing limbs. That is disturbing footage. And when I think of how many families in Gaza must be in anguish - how many mothers have held their baby's corpses? How many father's have lost their sons? How many children have lost their siblings? That is a disturbing reality, one which has compelled me to write this entry.
I have an 8 year old sister. If she died of an illness I would be distraught. However if she was murdered while she was playing in the park, I'm not even sure how I would feel - how can I guess how I would I feel in that situation? And I can only think that my mother would breakdown. Yet the appalling truth is that many people have numbed themselves to the suffering of the Palestinians.
I've stumbled across some deplorable justifications for the actions of the IDF in Gaza on social media and in articles. I'll run through a few and give my blunt opinion on them:
1) "Civilian casualties are a reality of warfare". These people are dressing up the phrase "shit happens". They're forgetting another reality: that Gaza is a strip of land - (hence Gaza strip) densely populated and can simply not be shelled without civilian casualties. The actions of the IDF have proven that the Israeli government are indifferent to the death of civilians in Gaza.
2) "There are far more people dying in conflicts within Arab countries such as Syria". Since when was it a contest? This opinion confuses me. It reminds of me of the debate around drug abuse, for instance heroin overdoses. Someone might say: "Well, far more people are dying from alcohol poisoning". That doesn't mean that heroin overdoses aren't an issue! What is that person suggesting: that it's worse to die from alcohol poisoning? Or maybe that alcohol poisoning is a "bigger" issue based on the number of deaths? To simply dismiss the conflict in Gaza is an insult to the civilians (many of whom were children) who have died there.
3) "The IDF's actions were justified - Hamas were firing rockets into Israel". It is true that Hamas were firing rockets into Israel. 3 Israeli citizens were killed by Hamas rockets and the lives of Israeli citizens were disrupted by rocket alarms. But does that justify the murder of 377 children? Does that justify injuring 2744 children? Can the murder of children ever be justified?? Those children weren't firing the rockets, and those injured (war wounds, not bruises) kids might not even have homes to return to... IDF shells killed those children. Was the IDF response proportionate? Does the IDF have the right to repeatedly violate UN resolutions?
A few interesting facts, people and perspectives:
The US government gave the IDF $8.5 million per day of 2013.
Gerald Kaufman - Jewish Labour MP , very heavy in his criticism of the Israeli government but not without a degree of validity
Gideon Levy - an Israeli journalist
More than 1800 people have died in Gaza, 3 civilians have died in Israel. 64 members of the IDF have died.
The UN estimate that more than 68% of the Palestinian dead are civilians, including 377 children and 196 women. The UN says that 2744 children have been injured - and they're referring to war wounds, not bruises. But what do these statistics mean?
Sadly, I feel that these numbers do not do justice to those dead and injured children - those children were not terrorists... perhaps their siblings or relatives may become terrorists in response to the grief they are carrying.
Children were playing on Gaza beach and were hit by a shell. They were playing on a beach. That's a disturbing mental image. When you see pictures of tiny corpses wrapped in cloth or children with shrapnel wounds and missing limbs. That is disturbing footage. And when I think of how many families in Gaza must be in anguish - how many mothers have held their baby's corpses? How many father's have lost their sons? How many children have lost their siblings? That is a disturbing reality, one which has compelled me to write this entry.
I have an 8 year old sister. If she died of an illness I would be distraught. However if she was murdered while she was playing in the park, I'm not even sure how I would feel - how can I guess how I would I feel in that situation? And I can only think that my mother would breakdown. Yet the appalling truth is that many people have numbed themselves to the suffering of the Palestinians.
I've stumbled across some deplorable justifications for the actions of the IDF in Gaza on social media and in articles. I'll run through a few and give my blunt opinion on them:
1) "Civilian casualties are a reality of warfare". These people are dressing up the phrase "shit happens". They're forgetting another reality: that Gaza is a strip of land - (hence Gaza strip) densely populated and can simply not be shelled without civilian casualties. The actions of the IDF have proven that the Israeli government are indifferent to the death of civilians in Gaza.
2) "There are far more people dying in conflicts within Arab countries such as Syria". Since when was it a contest? This opinion confuses me. It reminds of me of the debate around drug abuse, for instance heroin overdoses. Someone might say: "Well, far more people are dying from alcohol poisoning". That doesn't mean that heroin overdoses aren't an issue! What is that person suggesting: that it's worse to die from alcohol poisoning? Or maybe that alcohol poisoning is a "bigger" issue based on the number of deaths? To simply dismiss the conflict in Gaza is an insult to the civilians (many of whom were children) who have died there.
3) "The IDF's actions were justified - Hamas were firing rockets into Israel". It is true that Hamas were firing rockets into Israel. 3 Israeli citizens were killed by Hamas rockets and the lives of Israeli citizens were disrupted by rocket alarms. But does that justify the murder of 377 children? Does that justify injuring 2744 children? Can the murder of children ever be justified?? Those children weren't firing the rockets, and those injured (war wounds, not bruises) kids might not even have homes to return to... IDF shells killed those children. Was the IDF response proportionate? Does the IDF have the right to repeatedly violate UN resolutions?
A few interesting facts, people and perspectives:
The US government gave the IDF $8.5 million per day of 2013.
Gerald Kaufman - Jewish Labour MP , very heavy in his criticism of the Israeli government but not without a degree of validity
Gideon Levy - an Israeli journalist
you may choose to want to look at it from your angle, but you don't get it. the "civialians" and "children" over there are basically all allies of the enemy that kills people all the time. they aren't really any better...
israel is on its own besides the financial support they receive. th eonly reason more civialians die on the gaza side is because they purposefully put their weapons in schools an dhotels an dhospitals.
that is really it, and israel has missile interceptors called th eiron dome and gaza does not. israel drops leaflets and calls buildings to warn civilians to leave the area immediately as there are weapons there they are going to strike. unless you want a full scale invasion of gaza to go house to house and have more casualties thann what else do u expect.
The World turns a blind eye to Human Rights violation inflicted on Palestinians by the Israel Government. There is attempted genocide happening there.
Any one who launches rockets against civilian settlements is a terrorist. That includes the Hamas members, and the IDF (if they deliberately targeted the civilian areas inside Gaza).
And how can one be certain whos behind every attack that is happening.
Im telling you, while two sides are fighting, the third on is standing nearby and profiting from both.
Public is easily fooled, and many countries are exploiting that fact.
there are no terrorists in gaza. no one who acts in self defence is a terrorist.
Any one who launches rockets against civilian settlements is a terrorist. That includes the Hamas members, and the IDF (if they deliberately targeted the civilian areas inside Gaza).
And how can one be certain whos behind every attack that is happening.
Im telling you, while two sides are fighting, the third on is standing nearby and profiting from both.
Public is easily fooled, and many countries are exploiting that fact.
Learn what Genocide means. Gaza's population is steadily growing,assuming it wasnt it would take 90 years for Israel to kill every Gazan in the current rate.
The real aggressors are in gaza. Hammas is firing rockets into Israel while they have agreed to a humanitarian cease fire, this has happened multiple times.
i don't want to argue with you. just listen to this speech then you will know who is the real aggressor: http://youtu.be/_-UwcVP_k2Y
What I am getting from this is a rather emotive based appeal with the assigning of guilt based on that emotive appeal (images of mothers holding baby corpses) instead of on more impartial investigative findings.
1.) I don't necessarily disagree outright, but you don't provide any specific examples or supporting evidence for the assertion and I imagine, given the emotive start to the blog piece, that we would disagree on those examples.
1.) I don't necessarily disagree outright, but you don't provide any specific examples or supporting evidence for the assertion and I imagine, given the emotive start to the blog piece, that we would disagree on those examples.
So? Why are you offended by imagery that shows Palestinians as human rather than cattle?
Although it shouldn't be a competition, in some ways it is and the "Israeli side", or more accurately, the crazy ultra-nationalist imperialist Zionist side, has been winning the propaganda war for years. It's not surprising really, just use some of the billions and billions of dollars they've been getting for free from the US and Germany for decades to fund some lobbies and you basically can't lose.
I'm sure the genocide would have been almost complete by now, if wasn't for that pesky Internet and nosy bloggers giving people alternative sources of information and giving media companies some much-needed competition.
The real aggressors are in gaza. Hammas is firing rockets into Israel while they have agreed to a humanitarian cease fire, this has happened multiple times.
there are no terrorists in gaza. no one who acts in self defence is a terrorist.
hammas is far from acting in self defense. They are the aggressors. Dude Hamas on record was created by Israel to have controlled opposition. They exist to keep the area destabilized and in a state of conflict until the people there can be wiped out.
This is very very true, and it's a shame so few people understand it.
Not only was Hamas originally created by Israel, as the years go by Israel makes greater and greater efforts to strengthen Hamas and maintain its power in Gaza while weakening Fatah. This can be seen right now in Cairo: Israel is negotiating with Hamas and showing relatively great willingness to make concessions, far beyond anything given to Mahmoud Abbas during the never-ending "negotiations" with the Palestinian Authority. In fact, Israel is going out of its way to give Hamas a PR victory, at least in the eyes of Gazan Palestinians, so the populace would remain pro-Hamas even in the midst of the unimaginable devastation.
Hamas and Israel exist in unholy symbiosis, serving each others' belligerent interests perfectly.
Inhumane weapons such as depleted uranium munitions, White Phosphorous and other experimental weapons are used on the population.
Actually, Israel has stopped using white phosphorous during the latest offensive on Gaza. I suppose pictures from 2009 like this and this have proven too troublesome for Israel's propaganda machine.
They have, however, started using a new type of bomb called DIME. It's ostensibly meant to reduce collateral damage during bombing raids, but in fact it causes terrible wounds.
Anyway, such inhumane (and internationally illegal) weapons are not very important on the grand scale of things, and there's no point focusing on them. The vast majority of casualties in Gaza were caused by good old-fashioned (and totally conventional) American bombs. Three cheers for the American military-industrial complex, for providing Israel with over $3 billion of armaments each year.
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