Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 1678. (Read 5352367 times)

Another nice block with high fees  I like the number 400400 

The ~ is always there when the block is first found.
It means approximate since it is approximate
Here's a blurb about it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg13909187;topicseen#msg13909187

Nevermind, the tildes are gone and we have 6 confirmations now.  Maybe they are there for just the first few confirmations and I have just never noticed before.  Oh well It was a good day for the pool after the long one.  Lets see how many we get tomorrow.   

OK we just found block 583 but I noticed in front of the shares and luck/diff percentage a tilde sign, (~206,760,318,262 ~126.465%)

I have never seen that before, what does that mean.  We have a couple confirmations so its not going to be an orphan right?  Forgive my ignorance, just curious.

Well, to be honest, I prefer if people are checking the payouts

I go to a lot of trouble to make sure no external forces are messing with them.
I also am very reticent about changing the code that I know works
(well I don't know of any bugs at least - of course no one can ever 100% guarantee code is bug free)
So if ever anyone does actually find a problem I'm more than glad to hear about it and track down why.

But yeah make sure you've checked the information that's available on the web site - for your account - first

I know but it's just a beer or two

Hah, I wasn't serious about the beer but thanks

Thanks CK !

It's on the way ... 009154b3092f6022a5523d7495e5db01ee5182841e19d23b16ebda9f7a5e69e7 

All the code's readily available on the ckpool repository using nodes and trusted remote server options though our custom coin daemons are private code. Now for that beer

I remember the day when I put my first feet into mining, I didn't even know what a bestshare was. I really do believe there is a lot a good people around here. I have a dual IMB 4K psu at home because Phil was kind enough to put a lot of effort to review one. All the reviews he made so I can learn and make a better choice for my mining adventure. This also include other person reviews and Sidehack threads for example. I still look around to push my knowledge father away and this is why i'm mining here. Not that my previous home was not trustworthy but because today, I believe this is the best choice.

Kano made me realize I had to question myself if I made the right choice. In fact, my previous home was a reference from a friend of mine. I know today the choice I made previously wasn't bad but it wasn't the best one. I made him a bit angry when I came here with a post about an orphan block but today, i'm glad I did. He made me realize I was wrong. Even if my knowledge only scratch the surface of it.

I'm still eager to learn more from everyone around here.

EDIT: I would very much like to have a talk with Kano and CK about their own propagation network, just to know, with a beer I'm pretty sure they want to keep it low since that's an advantage over the other pools but this is something I wouldn't even question myself about it, in the past.

Thanks Phil. In my opinion your comments carry significant weight because of the "playing" you do.

I know I have learned many things following your threads, and have actually just ordered some things from Amazon using a couple of your links in the 4k b/o board review thread you put up not to long ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/update-large-review-of-finksyj4bbrwock-server-psus-compared-to-atxpsu-photos-up-1284563
There are a ton of "reviewers" who could learn a thing or two from your style of what I like to call Guerrilla-review. I say that because you get it on, good, bad, pretty, or ugly, it is factual, and you find ways, parts, or whatever it takes to put a real life beating on products. AND you always keep in mind that many people do not understand (for example) 240v power, and you explain it to them in terms they get, or atleast they can do it safely even if they can't understand the why, or maybe they cannot run out and spend another huge amount of dollars to make something function the way it should have originally, or a little quieter for the home miner. Not to mention the recent Solar thread. Man my brain is in overdrive with that project. I re-read it again today: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solar-array-starting-to-look-good-1369207

The Long game is exactly what I hope newer miners are seeing when evaluating which pool to use, and I believe you explaining such to people will reach many more miners than my walls of text ever will, and what many miners probably don't know is that you have used your own coin running hardcore numbers at if not every pool, then almost every one of them. I know it has certainly been the ones worth discussing because I have read your posts for a long time and think I have a good feel for when you have put real time crunching the numbers that matter to a miner.

As you stated we have a fantastic basis to evaluate for past performance, and while no one can control the variable of lady luck, I'm happy to see you and I on the same page regarding every variable that can be touched has been caressed correctly.

Another data point many people do not see are how full our blocks are relative to the SPV pools, or other pools in general Block for Block. We need those transaction fees and people spending coin deserve to have their transactions confirmed quickly. The example for those "big" pools is set right here, every day. I'm not even talking about about block size, regardless of the size, these two pools show everyone you can propagate blocks which are packed with transactions, and my understanding of Satoshi's white paper is that transaction fees are to incentive us to process user's transactions. It isn't being done better anywhere else while maintaining this performance. Five years from now it will be an even larger data point. (I am not talking political choices here so no one please start up about 1mb versus whatever size blocks, or LN, SW, etc I am talking basic fundamentals and performance related items.)
 
The data points stack up quickly if people can be open-minded and understand the variables which not only impact the amount they earn today, the support, the code review and refinement, but even the political variables which will impact bitcoin.

The true leaders of bitcoin mining are not and never will be the "people" using every opportunity to squeeze another satoshi out of every person trying to be involved in this amazing time in history, those companies who are really taking advantage of us miners just trying to stay even or make enough to stay ahead of the curve so we can afford a few pieces of next gen gear, for me, the True Leaders of bitcoin mining are the ones here doing and showing how miners can make what they have better, enhance their recent purchase, make good purchasing decisions, create better mining environments, helping people understand which item is best for their situation, and providing a legitimate, fair, superior place to mine.
  

At sloopy I read your well thought out post.
I do admire that you take time to write that style of post.

It is a difficult place to communicate.

I spent a lot of time thinking and checking math from pool to pool.
While I play with other pools I mine here.

Eight avalon6s and 1 s-7.

Planning to grow it over the next month.

No one not any pool can match the 106% lifetime luck this pool has.

I simply tell everyone in btc think in terms of 100 blocks. Not 1 or 2 blocks.

Yeah we had a 500% block so what.just check our luck for the last 100 blocks.

It is well over 100 %.

One thing everyone needs to understand 100 % luck is the norm only in a perfect game.  Where everything is perfectly equal.
An example would be me flipping a coin 100 times in Monday and then flipping the same coin 100 times on Tuesday .  I should get 50-50 each time.

Btc pools are not as perfectly equal as the example I just gave.

Since this pool has the best lifetime performance of any btc pool over 500 blocks it is a good sign that this is simply the best pool to mine at.

Fixed that for you gnu123

Suggestion is a powerful tool, and in my opinion in bitcoin pool mining suggesting something even might be wrong here is not ever a good thing. You or others may think I am over reacting, but please do not take the tone of my message in that manner. Consider the fact there could be someone just starting out trying to figure out where to point their first miner, maybe an S3 they picked up from a friend and they know absolutely nothing about the pool landscape. Even the mental suggestion sitting in someone's mind can put someone off.

I am confident you meant nothing of the sort by the comment, but I have a minute to discuss this and wanted to do so. The thing that really over-torques my nips is when I see someone complain about luck, the length of time they wait for a payout, or the amount of the payout without making sure they comprehend how PPLNS functions.
As I said gnu, I am sure you meant none of these things, but it is a good time to get it off my chest for the ones who have done these things over the past couple of months.

Some people here, and I hope it is most of us, realize how smooth things are run, and how fortunate we are to have been given the opportunity to mine with a couple of the most meticulous coders. I'm not blowing smoke here, and I have said this before, even though I may not agree with every political or moral judgement Kano and CK support, I respect their abilities to not only vocalize their opinions, but cite facts where appropriate, and participate in a mature debate. It only disintegrates to immature levels when the opposing party has either presented an argument without any basis in reality, or spouts something without a shred of factual information when it is needed to backup their statement.

Yeah, they have been around long enough and been through enough of those that their patience runs very thin at times. For example, I don't know how CK can still explain difficulty settings, e.g. vardiff / userdiff, or how PPLNS works in such detail without having a brain hemorrhage and one of my first days mining here CK told me to just "leave it alone." The best thing is to "leave it alone," and I pushed more, and again he told me to "leave it alone" when I was seeking an explanation which had already been provided to me by him, and spending way too much time discussing it. I didn't get butthurt that day, but I did think for a minute that CK may have a bit of an issue. Man was I wrong. Even though I had researched and still didn't quite get it, I hadn't done enough, and should have kept looking, but, the simple fact is, I should have simply left it alone, and now the only time I have ever touched my difficulty setting is with rentals, and that isn't because of the pool vardiff, that is because of the rental site's inadequate code.  

In my opinion if anyone feels a need to question anything regarding kano.is or cksolo it should be addressed via PM with the correct person. There is never a reason to mention or even question the pool publicly. I am a very passionate person regarding bitcoin and I spend many hours per week contemplating things most would say are trivial, I post regarding things I feel are having a huge impact on our scene and I take it extremely personal if I think someone is being taken advantage of, especially a new miner. To me, someone doesn't have to be a scammer to be a lowlife, they can make mistakes which cost a new miner coin and I do not have a great opinion of them, especially if they are experienced, but, sometimes I have to make myself take a step back and think about the fact that I may be a little spoiled regarding where we are mining and cksolo.

Take a gander at what is going on in our community. Almost every single pool other than these two have significant issues. Most of the people mining here today came from a few of those pools where they were not appreciated, where they received zip for communication, and the pool software being used is a hodgepodge of hacks and many things taken from people who put just enough into it to get something up a couple or more years ago and have only patched something in if there is a serious issue. Or, they started bringing merge mining in and don't realize how crucial that time can be, especially today! I am not mentioning this to even consider having a debate regarding merge mining, I mention it because how easy would it be for these guys to MM a couple of coins and keep that for themselves, or kick back and not work to improve where we are now, not put as much effort towards shaving off milliseconds to help propagation times, or the potential to perform other more nefarious things? It is obviously not something that exists here, for one obviously these guys simply are not built that way.

gnu123 I hope it is obvious I did not mean to pick at you regarding these items, it was simply an opportunity of my time, and a small example of one thing which speaks to volumes of others regarding how we as poolmates need to treat this thread, this pool, each other, and the pool creators like what they have become for many of us which is a kind of family, and our home. Be proud to be here, and never approach any situation publicly where someone can take a statement to mean the family may have done something, but all of us should look at our own situation first and ask for an evaluation to help figure out or have something explained to us.

I want almost every miner to ask themselves why they are not mining with us. It is a good question for anyone who isn't, and the only logical answers are they are not educated enough to have previously made such a choice, they are so ignorant they have not understood what has been explained to them, they are so hard-headed and stubborn they choose to mine somewhere else out of spite (which only hurts them), or they are not wanted here.  

I do not have a doubt we will be 10% of the network whether it happens next month or next year and unless something changes where it makes logical sense to be more than 10% Kano has said that will be the maximum size, and I can guarantee it would never be about money to him or CK by "logical sense" I mean if the act of limiting the size would harm the ecosystem, the alternative would be worse for bitcoin and miners in general. I look forward to that day because I know there will be even more great people enjoying and supporting what bitcoin mining is about.

I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE censorship, and I want people to always know I will fight for you to speak your mind even if I do not agree with you. I have seen too much censorship on this forum, abuse is rampant in the ways people manipulate so many aspects of this place, but it is still the bitcointalk forum where the good far outweighs the bad because of people like you. People like CK, Kano, Phil, sidehack, and so many others, people mining here today! What I am trying to say is I think everyone should think a bit more about saying anything regarding the time spent waiting on a block, bad luck, insinuating the pool has a problem, or posting anything negative because of the possible ramifications it could have on every gigahash it takes to get to 10% and the fact it is through our own upgrades we grow, but even more it is going to be through new people mining here that we hit that magic number and hold it consistently. We have a collective voice much larger than our individual comments to the point it begins to appear petty unless you can see how one small comment can impact someone who hasn't understood how things work.  

I still see several of the miners who were here when I came on board as this pool size of a little over 1 PH, dropping under that even, and some days being 1.5 PH taught me a tremendous amount about the needed patience in certain aspects and understanding pool scale and payouts. I have absolutely zero concerns regarding my payout amounts because I know these guys are looking hard to find an issue, and they are doing it constantly. I know this is money and everyone likes to count it, and make sure it is right on the nose, and some people as OCD as me like to do it for fun. There is nothing wrong with that at all, as a matter of fact that is a good thing and people should do it, we learn immense amounts understanding why our payout is the amount it is. Asking questions is fantastic and the absolutely best thing to do if you have looked for your answer and cannot quite put your finger on what you want to know. Keep in mind there are so many aspects in this scene to learn that sometimes you need to kick back on an area you have gotten a great handle on and look at areas you may not know yet. Learning how to manually send a transaction, having a backup internet source, making sure you know what to do if a government or entity did attack bitcoin what you can do to help and keep things going, or browsing the nub forum and help someone who just got that first stickminer from ebay who may or may not turn out to be the next miner with a 167 miners in his garage haha. (Speaking of an immense amount of home mining has anyone heard from DMWardJR lately? PM me please.)

But seriously I hope my comments are taken positively, no one thinks I am being a condescending asshole, kissing up to kano or ck, picking at gnu123, or preaching over nothing. I simply wanted to take a few moments to say I don't think most of us realize what we are doing right now is much bigger than us. We are involved in a better situation than anyone mining anywhere other than these two pools, and we are growing at a reasonable rate, bringing more good people into the fold, and having a fucking-fantastic time doing it! That is where we are, and where we are going will be even better. Sure there will be bumps in the road for us, but less than most others, if not all. I want to see all of us reach a level where we have a real voice with our collective hashpower in the ecosystem while we are making more $/GH in comparable situations than anyone mining anywhere, I want us doing that at 10% of the network, and most importantly I plan to do those things with you good people.

Yeah, but the important explanation of what that represents is:

His total shares he submitted in the 5Nd is currently lower than it was before.
So, there's a period of less shares submitted, and those missing shares don't get paid.

All the other shares that do exist, get rewarded 1/5 of their value, each time they are in 5Nd up to a block.
... but there's less of them.
- and since (on average with 100% luck) each share is expected, on average, to get 5 rewards, that gives 1/5 * 5

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... and that last 502% block, you'll see there are some shifts that get only 1 reward.
That's the expected side effect of 5Nd, a reduction in variance, old shares got a reward even though they were well before the block.

Fortunately, no shifts got zero rewards.

Cool on being able to post pictures    That's a pretty good chunk of downtime and it explains your drop in hashrate...

Now, it finaly did work with pictures ! HALELUJA !


Had some downtime, so maybe the N start to point up again soon. Probably.

LOL. About time. Funny, all my stuff was rented out too but I reserve a little bit for myself just so I don't go down to 0 on KANO. 

You are up to Jr Member...you might be able to post pictures now

When i check the Shift Graph, acctually i had some hours downtime, i did not know that. But the last time i had downtime some weeks ago the N AVG did get low, but it took just a few hours for it to start point up again, now it doesnt seem to point up, but maybe that has to do whit the devils block yesterday, it was over 500% . Not sure but il watch my miners and the N AVGH to se how it developes.

Unfortuntely i can not post pictures here on the forum... some strange rule that "newbies" cant post.

I have has 3 down spikes in my chart...and they do affect your average hash rate.

https://i.imgur.com/CtFwrdt.jpg