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Well ... the miner who found the first of the 2 blocks ... hopped in for a short while, found a block, then hopped back out.

Edit: and yay the long term one who dropped out many many hours ago is back and our rate is back up

Really don't see how I am doing that at all...  exactly opposite.

Get your goals and respect them.    Thanks for your pool and efforts.

Heh I finally finished writing what I was gonna post and it answers your last post at the last line

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Yeah I guess you usually can't 'game' a system that mathematically provably punishes people for not having a miner that works 100% of the time.
But as I've mentioned before I'm not interested in trying to come up with a system that does that either.
For whatever reason someone leaves the pool, I really don't like the idea of saying "Ha! Your shares are less worthy now"

Block finding is random.
No one can determine in advance when they will find a block.
No hash is more worthy of being rewarded than any other hash (unless they are the hash for a block )
One hash, every so often, finds a block and that is distributed (being a 'pool') on the basis that each hash in the N that was trying to find it is just as worthy as the others.

What actually happened today is quite relevant to all this rambling
Today, one of our top miners went offline.
(should he be punished because of that? I'm sure he'd be pissed if the payout system did that)
A large hash rate failed over to here for a VERY short while during that also
(You'll notice the pool graph hit over 6PH for a shift)
While that was here for that short time, it found a block. Yay!
100s later our current top miner canaan, found a block. Yay!
You may also notice that canaan doesn't stay at the top all the time.
I've no idea what the reason is (that their hash rate goes up and down), but they supply a lot of hashing power to the pool and certainly keep the total pool hash rate average up.

I don't want to be telling either of those block finders that their hash rate isn't as worthy as anyone else's ...

Edit: added that italics in case it wasn't obvious

Fine I will be quiet, surely didn't intend to start a bunch or haters was just throwing it out for discussion on ways to reduce gaming the system.

I was actually hoping someone could give me a valid reason why this wouldn't work...   Other then it is perfect the way it is, despite obvious signs there are abuses.

I would like to second the above mentioned post!!!

Today luckyant found block with 3.2 PTh? I have seen that Pool stats.

Let me be the first to say we don't give a hoot about your water or village.
We care that it just works the way it is and don't need unnecessary complications or changes because you are unhappy how others mine here.
If u don't like it start your own pool or go to another one.

We seem to be heading down a rabbit hole...     IF you carried the water there what the H are you worried or complaining about?   You got paid for it, with a small bonus of not having to wait as long to get paid.

Either you got it there, or you spilled it.   

IF you and I BOTH made it there...   We both end up getting paid EXACTLY the same thing.    100% !

Yes, I understand that with Es type of system, but with something like this modified 5N, please give me an example of how NOT MINING at a particular time could benefit someone.   I see pushing shares from 1N to 2N, but you have that now, even at extreme, but trying to avoid pushing 5N off completely.

... and their Avalon 6's

....canaan 

I have no idea how you twisted that into me spilling 100 gallons of water, or proving your point in any way.  I successfully carried 100 gallons of water to the village.  I did it all in one day, and that was 2 days ago.  You also successfully carried 100 gallons of water; however, you carried 25 gallons a day over 4 days.  The village now has 200 gallons of water.

Your suggestion is that because my water arrived 2 days ago, my water is somehow worth less than your water.

BECAUSE:   You may have spilled all 100 gallons on the ground and the village is still thirsty.    If you got it there then everyone is happy including you.   If not who is going to save the village?

Think you are making my point for me.

Yeah the main point of the payout is that statistically each share is expected to get the same result.
If they don't, then you can game it.
That's the problem with the Prop payout method, you mine when the shares are worth the most (the first 43% diff I think I remember it is) and don't mine at other times.

Difficulty changes throw a spanner in the works, but the side effect there could affect short term miners a bit more than long term miners, as I've mentioned a couple of times.

Yes, if the pool size was larger then 1N in 24 hours, that is the only rational argument that no one would be effected.

BUT, not sure if punished is the proper word...  Because if they are mining, within 1N they too would benefit from the bonus of active mining.
They could actually benefit greatly if they got lucky and hit the timing right...   Again, most likely would all come out in the wash and be ultimately equal.

@Nuttycoins
Slush's method already does something like this. The cool off period is faster than the warm up period, so, for example, if you have a power outage at an inopportune time you could potentially take a large hit for timing a block wrong when your intention wasn't to pool hop. What you are suggesting would do the same here. I get what you are saying, and understand your point, just disagree.

Let's use your example... I carried 100 gallons of water to the village two days ago.  You carried 100 gallons of water (25 gallons a day for 4 days).  Why is your water worth more than my water?

It makes no difference to your reward if you just start a full account and use the same address.
You wont see the details of the address mined amounts, but the two totals are combined in the payout if they are the same address.
You can't have 2 accounts with the same address, but you can create an account that uses the same address as the other type.

Aside: yeah, in case anyone was thinking, no you can't take advantage of that and steal an address miner's rewards
It just combines them in the payout if they are the same address.

LOL...   actually I think you have it backwards...   wanting someone else to carry you water now, while you are in "retirement".   

Exactly.. Why would we want to change a system that works. Sorry but I'm not in it to earn less, so we can give more to others. Earn what you reap the way it is or visit another pool. :shrug:

Sounds like something Obama would want to do. Lolol.