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Topic: KanoPool kano.is lowest 0.9% fee 🐈 since 2014 - Worldwide - 2432 blocks - page 58. (Read 5352119 times)

legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1569
CLEAN non GPL infringing code made in Rust lang

What are you talking about? Blocks are discovered by pure luck, if you want a higher frequency, bring more hashrate to the pool.

Bring an Exahash and everyone would earn more than on any PPS pool right now. So why are some fools still mining on PPS pools? Because they can't manage themselves. The largest miners are the ones who benefit more from PPLNS.

Frequency of block discovery will not increase or decrease your profits, but will reduce the variance in a given period, to the point it will almost look like PPS but better paid (and risk free).

So bring those whale miners here if you want higher block frequency. Whining at Kano is like yelling at the dice for not getting a double 6...

totally agree but for some that have to pay the electric and without a decent reserve, several weeks with no payouts can wreck them. Some of them need the steady payouts to just stay afloat - for them, large pps pools might be a better idea but I do agree that pplns is way better and if we could quadruple the pool hash rate, we would be killing any/all pps pools in payouts.

but long run, like you said, the luck will work out and their net payments should be pretty much equal either way they go. It is all about that luck Smiley

The PPS pools act as a "reserve" for them, but that comes at a price of higher pool fees and the possible loss of the money "in transit", in case they get "hacked" or the pool it does not (really) have the proper reserve to withstand an extended bad luck period (or a combination of).

I guess a day/week loss of payment for a single asic miner isn't much to worry, but the whale miner would lose a fortune. Ironic they rather take the risk than learn to manage themselves. If the PPS pool fails a payment, then they would fail with it. Essentially you are trusting the pool like you would trust a bank, hope they can keep that "reserve" safe... And how can you audit if your PPS pool has the appropriate reserve levels?
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 2419
EIN: 82-3893490

What are you talking about? Blocks are discovered by pure luck, if you want a higher frequency, bring more hashrate to the pool.

Bring an Exahash and everyone would earn more than on any PPS pool right now. So why are some fools still mining on PPS pools? Because they can't manage themselves. The largest miners are the ones who benefit more from PPLNS.

Frequency of block discovery will not increase or decrease your profits, but will reduce the variance in a given period, to the point it will almost look like PPS but better paid (and risk free).

So bring those whale miners here if you want higher block frequency. Whining at Kano is like yelling at the dice for not getting a double 6...

totally agree but for some that have to pay the electric and without a decent reserve, several weeks with no payouts can wreck them. Some of them need the steady payouts to just stay afloat - for them, large pps pools might be a better idea but I do agree that pplns is way better and if we could quadruple the pool hash rate, we would be killing any/all pps pools in payouts.

but long run, like you said, the luck will work out and their net payments should be pretty much equal either way they go. It is all about that luck Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3234
Merit: 1220
Whining at Kano is like yelling at the dice for not getting a double 6...

Which gamblers often do.
legendary
Activity: 2030
Merit: 1569
CLEAN non GPL infringing code made in Rust lang
yaaaaaah
Where are the blooocks, wth. Sorry Kano but this is painful.

What are you talking about? Blocks are discovered by pure luck, if you want a higher frequency, bring more hashrate to the pool.

Bring an Exahash and everyone would earn more than on any PPS pool right now. So why are some fools still mining on PPS pools? Because they can't manage themselves. The largest miners are the ones who benefit more from PPLNS.

Frequency of block discovery will not increase or decrease your profits, but will reduce the variance in a given period, to the point it will almost look like PPS but better paid (and risk free).

So bring those whale miners here if you want higher block frequency. Whining at Kano is like yelling at the dice for not getting a double 6...
newbie
Activity: 11
Merit: 0
yaaaaaah
Where are the blooocks, wth. Sorry Kano but this is painful.
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 2419
EIN: 82-3893490
where are the blocks? Bring on the blocks! Smiley
member
Activity: 490
Merit: 16
1xA921 + 1xA741 + Backup-->1xA6 ;)
Looks like I missed out on some firey math talks with angry questions and lack of reason on one side and logical answers on the better side.  Tongue
Look here for that... Cheesy

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/300-phbtc-pps-100encnru-sigmapoolcom-5108666
Ug! Bleh what a link.  Grin
I read it and lived to tell the tale! (Much popcorn required) Wink
copper member
Activity: 174
Merit: 10
Looks like I missed out on some firey math talks with angry questions and lack of reason on one side and logical answers on the better side.  Tongue

Look here for that... Cheesy

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/300-phbtc-pps-100encnru-sigmapoolcom-5108666
Ug! Bleh what a link.  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
Looks like I missed out on some firey math talks with angry questions and lack of reason on one side and logical answers on the better side.  Tongue

Look here for that... Cheesy

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/300-phbtc-pps-100encnru-sigmapoolcom-5108666
copper member
Activity: 174
Merit: 10
Looks like I missed out on some firey math talks with angry questions and lack of reason on one side and logical answers on the better side.  Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1032
Carl, aka Sonny :)
It says on the payment page the payments below .0001 btc are not sent out yet. I figured it would add up and I would get a payment. Is that not how it works?
Not until the account code is complete ... some time this year ...

FYI it's now 2018 UTC so if the code change worked properly, the next block will have a 0.9% fee again like they've had since the pool started until 19-Nov-2017 Smiley
Did anybody else ever get their built up dust payments?

No one has yet.
jr. member
Activity: 120
Merit: 2
It says on the payment page the payments below .0001 btc are not sent out yet. I figured it would add up and I would get a payment. Is that not how it works?
Not until the account code is complete ... some time this year ...

FYI it's now 2018 UTC so if the code change worked properly, the next block will have a 0.9% fee again like they've had since the pool started until 19-Nov-2017 Smiley
Did anybody else ever get their built up dust payments?
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 2419
EIN: 82-3893490


you may definitely want to upgrade to a new firmware and is that a custom firmware? I dont see that version on Bitmains site. I also have not seen where the hostname is as yours is.

maybe compare the screen to one of the miners that is working? see if all the fields are the same.

here is what mine shows (i am not running the latest version of LPM - the one I have seems to lower power consumption yet leave the hashrate alone. the newest one has been reported at lowering both power consumption and hash rate)

https://ibb.co/9sqsZzC

newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
Hi, I had a power outage a week ago and now three of my antminer s9s are not connecting to the pool. They fire on and get an ip address from my switch just fine. I've tried changing out ethernet cords and doing a hard reset. Any other suggestions? Maybe firmware update?
Thanks in advance.
Worker names: TheOffice
A better place to post this is the Miner Support area where there may already be an answer to your problem. Can they connect to a different pool? You should also include a screen shot of the miner status page to show us condition of the hash boards... While possible that a re-flash of the firmware might be needed because BM uses the cheapest controllers they can get and is known for having issues with corrupt flash memory, generally updates should be done only if there is a valid reason to do it (eg getting LPM).

Thanks NotFuzzyWarm. Sorry for posting in wrong area. I cannot connect to another pool and the status page is empty. Will try to repost this to Miner Support threads.  

https://ibb.co/vhFDqQn
https://ibb.co/gwyDwjd
legendary
Activity: 3822
Merit: 2703
Evil beware: We have waffles!
Hi, I had a power outage a week ago and now three of my antminer s9s are not connecting to the pool. They fire on and get an ip address from my switch just fine. I've tried changing out ethernet cords and doing a hard reset. Any other suggestions? Maybe firmware update?
Thanks in advance.
Worker names: TheOffice
A better place to post this is the Mining Support area where there may already be an answer to your problem. Can they connect to a different pool? You should also include a screen shot of the miner status page to show us condition of the hash boards... While possible that a re-flash of the firmware might be needed because BM uses the cheapest controllers they can get and is known for having issues with corrupt flash memory, generally updates should be done only if there is a valid reason to do it (eg getting LPM).

edit: fixed link to mining support
newbie
Activity: 25
Merit: 0
Hi, I had a power outage a week ago and now three of my antminer s9s are not connecting to the pool. They fire on and get an ip address from my switch just fine. I've tried changing out ethernet cords and doing a hard reset. Any other suggestions? Maybe firmware update?

Thanks in advance.

Worker names: TheOffice
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I've never paid any pool operator for any mining on the pool. Ever.
I've no idea why anyone would make such a false claim.

Except for one occasion, all mining on the pool has had the same reward for all miners except for bonuses given out, that I've stated.

I paid one sizeable miner PPS for Feb 2017 (sizeable risk that came out of my pocket) to get the size of the pool back up.
That worked fine as you can see in that table, the pool grew after that.

Isn't he talking about 3.9 of 10 BTC giveaway?  Of course that's different than paying farms but some probably see it that way regardless.
The details are all there in the first post.

... and I don't see that having anything to do with pool operators, and since EVERYONE knows what a pool operator is, it has nothing to do with what he said.

Highlight added to my post Smiley

Those bonuses given out have been random for 2 reasons:
1) Block finder bonuses are random - their aim, as has been stated MANY times, is to attract large miners - end of story.
2) Other random bonuses I've given out have been to a few smaller miners that did find blocks also.
... blocks are random ...
legendary
Activity: 3583
Merit: 1094
Think for yourself
I've never paid any pool operator for any mining on the pool. Ever.
I've no idea why anyone would make such a false claim.

Except for one occasion, all mining on the pool has had the same reward for all miners except for bonuses given out, that I've stated.

I paid one sizeable miner PPS for Feb 2017 (sizeable risk that came out of my pocket) to get the size of the pool back up.
That worked fine as you can see in that table, the pool grew after that.

Isn't he talking about 3.9 of 10 BTC giveaway?  Of course that's different than paying farms but some probably see it that way regardless.
legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I've never paid any pool operator for any mining on the pool. Ever.
I've no idea why anyone would make such a false claim.

Except for one occasion, all mining on the pool has had the same reward for all miners except for bonuses given out, that I've stated.

I paid one sizeable miner PPS for Feb 2017 (sizeable risk that came out of my pocket) to get the size of the pool back up.
That worked fine as you can see in that table, the pool grew after that.
member
Activity: 658
Merit: 21
4 s9's 2 821's
It would be nice if the "big guys" understood this and stayed put, instead of foolishly losing money "grasshopping" pools or "gambling" luck...

When a pool gets too low in hashrate then that is the worst gambling since the % difference per block is large.  (4/5 vs 5/5 is 20%.  99/100 vs 100/100 is 1%)

Last year the same thing started to happen here and Kano went out and paid big pool operators to avoid being in quicksand.  Seems it's back to that again.  Unless you are able to extend your timelines to years instead of weeks to even things out.  If you go too far then the reward halving will draw the line and then future luck ain't the same reward so you can only correct till that moment.

When did this happened last year? Kano paying pool operators?



He didn't, DPoS2 is severely misinformed.
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