Topic: Keyur @ CampBX has gone rogue!! LAWSUIT, ARREST AND CRIMINAL CHARGES ON HORIZON (Read 3995 times)

CampBX is an Indian Scam, not an American Site

http://www.bitcoinfeed.net/news/campbx-is-an-indian-scam-not-an-american-site

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/campbx-is-an-indian-scam-not-an-american-site-481717

I've been a satisfied customer in the past, but have been having major delays in funding recently, to the point that it's somewhat unacceptable (to have to wait weeks for a credit to hit my account from a check I sent in...)

I am to the point where I am going to file a lawsuit against BulBul Investments LLC

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/campbx-incompetence-or-fraud-317741

Oh the power of government enforced monopolies.  

I'm not going to evaluate DealMaker's claims. And no one can out-type him and I'm not going to try.
I will, however, say that I have received consistently good service from CampBX. I'm moved a lot of USD through them via Dwolla and ACH. My coin transfers out almost always show up instantly on Blockchain. I did all their verification stuff awhile ago and I don't remember how long it took. They even raised my daily transfer limits without me even asking just by paying attention to my activities. Now that their servers aren't so slow its even better.

I'm a satisfied customer and I think they are a quality exchange.
I wish DealMaker the best in resolving his situation.

I'm in awe to see rogue correctly spelled on the Interwebs.


He certainly has a point there (and the rest is accurate, too). Checks are a joke, and the entire banking system is roughly where newspapers would be if they still used linotype and child labor, 1920s style.

And that.

Doesn't matter.  I'm upset because I've been done wrong by following the man's written words on his website.  So instead of you questioning his procedures, ethics, you want to scrutinize my reactions to being messed with in an unprofessional way.

Not everyone reacts the same way to problems, as you get older you'll learn this.  If you are of a certain age where this wisdom becomes learned then you need to learn to be more tolerant of someone's problems.  I responded to several folks on here that also had the same issues, I did not criticize them or their expectations of business conduct.

So now I'm not following some sort of "victim etiquette" I guess, and I never will.  I'll say it again, if Keyur's website is going to say one thing and he's actually going to do another, you, me or anyone on this planet cannot fairly get upset at the "victim" for following what Keyur said he would do.  Unless somehow, magically it's my fault Keyur wrote that, then it's also my fault that he's ignoring me, also my fault that he's not depositing my money he cashed on 8/22, also not my fault he didn't verify my account on the 5th or even the 6th or even now the 9th business day as of this writing.  Yes it's all my fault because I believed what Keyur wrote on his website and I followed that.  I sincerely wonder if a court of Law would also believe it's my fault for following those written, documented instructions.

This.

I just want what I paid for.

Thanks for everyone's input.

I never said it wasn't real, I have no reason to doubt (or care) that the money order is real.  I said you can't PROVE it is real.  It is possible for both statements to be true at the same time.

The situation:
a) the money order is real (will not be returned).
b) you can not prove the money order is real (it will not be returned).
c) the only way to prove the money is real (will not be returned) is to deposit it and wait.
d) CampBX should clearly indicate how long they will hold client checks.

Likewise:
a) the Bitcoin transaction is valid (won't be double spent)
b) you can't prove the Bitcoin transaction is valid (won't be double spent)
c) the only way to prove the Bitcoin transaction is valid (won't be double spent) is to include it in a block and wait.
d) Merchants should clearly indicate how many confirmations they will require.

I haven't attacked you.  I even said CampBX is 100% wrong for not making their deposit terms clear.  CampBX should explicitly state in unambiguous terms how many business days it will take before funds are credited to a client's account after depositing a check received by the client.  If you see everything as an attack maybe that is the problem.

DeathAndTaxes already tried to explain logically why the situation can be delayed from CampBX's perspective, but you don't seem to understand what he's saying.

Instead you seem to be interested only in your side of the story and your expectations. Anything that runs counter to that is met with hostility. That kind of thing won't work well with this fledgling Bitcoin community/economy that's trying to survive and grow.

Then stick to the facts and tell me logically why I should not have expectations of the right thing and why I should not sue someone who's causing me $1000/day in loss past timeframes established by his own writing.  If I sit back and wait then it's really going to be my fault for doing nothing in the first place, and especially for letting it drag on when I get absolutely no response.

Well, at least there is one thing we can agree on.

Actually that is NOT the problem I CAN prove it's real.  YOU are deciding it's not and are trying to lead the reader into that territory with nonsense of which you can't even prove factually as I have and as I continue to do.  Seriously let that implication go, I can prove this 5 ways from Sunday not only with the actual MO receipt but, the ACTUAL STORE receipt I got from where I sent it.  I seriously doubt any of those corporations are going to help me on any level fake any information.  Again dates, times, etc match up.

I put the info out there for anyone/everyone to review.  The Judge, the Feds and anyone else in Law will know it's real which is all that matters.

So you found one link, that should tell you that if they're still having these same kinds of problems in 2013 there's a serious issue.  However you seem determined to ignore issues other than directing ignorance towards someone who finally yelled really loud on here about this (instead of adding just another thread to be ignored for weeks on end like everyone else).

Don't restrain yourself, because I'm not going to argue with you about any emotional viewpoints you have.  Because from a distance no one will be able to tell who's the fool as easily as they can right now.

Continue to ignore facts, when I mailed it has now become irrelevant because the mailing is when the person has it.  Using the excuse of "it's in the mail" is not applicable.  Therefore when you come to the realization that this person has cashed the MO and now has the funds it would be logical to expect my account to reflect such a fact.  My account does not reflect this fact.

You are correct things are not always what people imagine them to be.  However I'm not imagining what I read, and what anyone else can read on Campbx's website.  Since that's all I have to go by, isn't that what I should expect?

Since I have a business to run should I expect my customers to put their businesses on hold because of someone lieing/ignoring me?  Or should I take appropiate actions to show my business customers I'm not going to allow this to happen and I will do my duty as I'm supposed to ethically and professionally?  Or should I just ignore them to?  How about you do send me that $1500 and I'll be done with this and be on my way with the other exchanges that don't do this crap?!?!?!?  I told you and I can prove this effortlessly to any Judge, that I'm losing a minimum of $1000/day because of this person's actions.  I don't have to explain myself but, I've done everything required of me as a customer.  I only expect it to be reciprocal just like everyone else.

That is the problem.  You CAN'T prove it is real.  The only proof if depositing the check and waiting 5 business days.  There is no other proof the MO/check won't be returned.

Still CampBX is at fault for not clearing (as in in black and white unambiguous statements) specifying when the funds will be credited to the account.  Nobody is going to credit same day MO (or they won't be in business long) but customers should know going in that it is going to take 2-3 business days for the check to arrive and another five business days for the check to clear.

That's not an attack. That's giving my assessment, which I stick to. As for discrediting someone that seems to be what you're trying to do to CampBX by pulling up threads from 2012 like this one:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/campbx-long-wait-time-113365


What are you trying to say? Believe me I've been restraining myself from attacking you which you would have no doubt about when done. Like I said, you said you mailed it on 8/17/13. Today is 8/26/13. According to math and dates that is less than ten days. Ten a number right after nine BTW, so that's less than ten days after you yourself said you mailed the MO, and you're threatening a lawsuit.

Businesses have different processes for crediting accounts and updating internal books. These may not always be what the customer imagines. I'm not saying CampBX has provided stellar service regarding your particular issue, but threatening them with lawsuit, arrest, and criminal charges over $1,500 in limbo under 10 days seems a real over reaction.

Keep in mind to copy them there is a seal, watermark, etc so that method is not as easy as you state.  Also not very realistic for someone like myself who's sent his personal information to this Campbx and in addition who's actually trying to conduct legitimate business.

I got ya, I was just putting it out there that I could prove it was real.  You're right though that scenario is possible but, exceedingly rare.  However in my situation all the dates, amounts, timeframes match up 100% (I'm just saying this for anyone reading that it can be proven that the MO is yours as long as these specifics match).

I used to take checks for my business...  In all honesty Bitcoin WAS going to replace that.  At this juncture I can't see that happening with people like Keyur @ Campbx driving the boat.  I see also why the govt wants to get in on the "regulation" action, major career boosters with people Keyur not doing things properly because prosecution for this kind of negligence/fraud/mishandling is beyond easy.  Especially with the fact that courts are now legally allowed to use information from public forums such as this for evidence.

I wasn't saying YOU sent a fake MO but someone can and if CampBX gets 1000 MO a year and credits them all on the day received they are going to get burned.  There is no way to know the fake ones from the legit ones.

Calling the 1-800 number or providing a receipt is a useless security measure.  One can simply copy a legit money order, cash the legit one, and send the fake to the victim.   Think of it like a double spend in Bitcoin except one is legit and one is fake and the fake one always loses so it is easier to pull off.

The US banking system sucks, and checks are the suckiest portion of that suck system.  There is absolutely no good way to validate a check will be honored other than deposit it, and wait 5 business days.  That is it.  Yup we live in the 21st century and the best the banking industry can come up with is deposit this piece of paper and if it isn't rejected in five days you are good.  

Agreed +1

However I did not send fake MOs.  In fact I posted the receipt numbers for ANYONE to call in and verify that they were cashed on 8/22/13.  That link to the info is under the heading "most recent event".  As anyone can tell and verify that number is owned by Moneygram, those receipt #s are genuine, 100% authentic.  I have tried everything possible in contacting these people and even making noise here as loud as possible, they still ignored me and still haven't corrected it and worse yet they've cashed my MOs without crediting my account for a single cent.  That's theft in my book unless taking someone's money and not doing what was promised is called something else.  Yes I realize what you're saying as well in regards to the 5 days because I've had that also.  I've also had bank accounts that did it in 3 which is what I believe happened here.  However since I'm being ignored, and the website is as you noticed, well as it is, then I'm out here left in the dark.  I realize if there is that 5 day deal, however at the very least a detailed, non-vague response would be greatly, appreciated and accepted.  You've seen the single answer I got in regards to my verification and it was just as vague as the one and only response I got from their helpdesk.  I was told to also resend a ticket request, fine so I did about 120+ times.  Sure that was a bit much, but costing me $1000 in measurable losses is to isn't it?