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Topic: Kim Dotcom Mansion: Press conference 2013-01-19 GMT - page 5. (Read 20494 times)

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Researchers Warn: Mega's New Encrypted Cloud Doesn't Keep Its Megasecurity Promises

just not do-able with javascript alone still these days i guess

This is essentially the same problem blockchain or any other javascript-based wallet suffers from.

I'm guessing third-party plugins will pop up that verify the mega javascript code.
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Researchers Warn: Mega's New Encrypted Cloud Doesn't Keep Its Megasecurity Promises

just not do-able with javascript alone still these days i guess
legendary
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gmail offering encryption goes against their business model.

you can use redphone for calls and text already.

silent suite looks good, tho - but i dont think a pay-solution will catch on.
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Encryption is the new gun.

Not really all that new though.  The magic will (hopefully) be making it easy, solid, and most importantly, default.  There was something of a push to try to get people to encrypt their mail and such when the big PGP brew-ha was going in the 90's.  It was to cumbersome and only a few people do it.  Alas, although encryption did take hold a long time later (and fairly recently) it did so in a way that was not protecting uses fully...and the US government is spending many billions of my tax dollars to exploit the situation.

I am really excited by the mega.co.nz thing insofar as it seems to be a model for how encryption should work...in a general sense.  If they can prove that it is workable it may be difficult for the competition to not follow suite.  I think that more and more people are getting a little bit fed up and suspicious about just how much they are being spied on these days and are starting to ask questions about why, exactly, it is so goddamned important to the powers that be that they are so anxious to be able to do this.

+1, good analysis. I agree.

Maybe gmail could incorporate encryption.

Another big area is chat/videocall (skype). We need to move off this piece of shit, but the lock-in is tight. I can't help but think that M$ buying skype has had some gov. agency backing/pressure behind it.

EDIT: this goes in the right direction https://silentcircle.com/, but how to achieve widespread use?

EDIT2:

  • Freedom of economic interaction
  • Freedom of speech

I don't know which is more important.

Is there a right to encrypt? If not: we need that.
legendary
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Encryption is the new gun.

Not really all that new though.  The magic will (hopefully) be making it easy, solid, and most importantly, default.  There was something of a push to try to get people to encrypt their mail and such when the big PGP brew-ha was going in the 90's.  It was to cumbersome and only a few people do it.  Alas, although encryption did take hold a long time later (and fairly recently) it did so in a way that was not protecting uses fully...and the US government is spending many billions of my tax dollars to exploit the situation.

I am really excited by the mega.co.nz thing insofar as it seems to be a model for how encryption should work...in a general sense.  If they can prove that it is workable it may be difficult for the competition to not follow suite.  I think that more and more people are getting a little bit fed up and suspicious about just how much they are being spied on these days and are starting to ask questions about why, exactly, it is so goddamned important to the powers that be that they are so anxious to be able to do this.

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Encryption is the new gun.
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After many time-outs, I got on enough to get a test account.  After many time-outs on the e-mailed link, I got signed in.  Now I'm playing with it a bit, but my test upload has not gone through.  Understandable if this really is the most successful 'start-up' of all time, and I would not rule it out.
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Update on Mega:  Tonight, from my satellite connection (and BSD box with chrome built from source) I got logged in after about 1/2 and hour.  This time I managed to get a 44 byte file uploaded.  Took about a minute at 1 byte per second.  So, it's 'working'.  Sorta.
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Test/Update.  Things are working better today.  A long way from usable, but better.

If anyone is interested, here is a URL to an image with the key embeded.  Optionally, up to the bang could be given and the remainder (the decryption key part) could be sent via e-mail (or, say, single sideband radio for instance.)

https://mega.co.nz/#!Z8tQgbpC!Nv3Hlnxlh6p7tl3jGPU5Rlgsw4w7Cl4OOPdsMnkjDOQ

At the risk of (further) spamming the forum, I just want to see if I could make this an image:



edit: another test:

https://mega.co.nz/#!Z8tQgbpC!Nv3Hlnxlh6p7tl3jGPU5Rlgsw4w7Cl4OOPdsMnkjDOQ

legendary
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I'm so glad that Mucus called the "crash" for this weekend.

We seem to have CRASHED UPWARD. Well done, please, predict another one!

16.75 ... NICE.
legendary
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what do you guys think about him accepting bitcoins only after this?

http://torrentfreak.com/dotcoms-mega-anti-piracy-group-moves-to-cut-off-finances-130121/
Amazing.  The owner of the group stopfilelockers is already trying to cut off the companies that do payment processing for mega.  And stopfilelockers wants all file locker sites to intrude on customers and do file fingerprinting to check for infringing files.  With Kim's mega that would be impossible since only the customer can decode the files.
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BTW, Kim was on BBC world today in a little "at home" special.
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Study the past, if you would divine the future.
what do you guys think about him accepting bitcoins only after this?

http://torrentfreak.com/dotcoms-mega-anti-piracy-group-moves-to-cut-off-finances-130121/
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While I don't like all the hubris, I must say the guy has the right view on things and is moving some shit.

I must say I'm reversing my perception of him..
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Quote from: kim at press conference vid around 16:00
Well my view is this: If I'm not doing anything illegal, then why is my data being captured? Some of you may have nothing to hide. Like John Banks for example. But most people do have something to hide. They hide many things, even from their closest friends and family.

Privacy is about much broader values than just hiding things. It's about the human need for refuge from the eye of the community and the importance of maintaining the balance of power between individuals and the state.

Mega believes in your right to privacy. Mega has developed technology that keeps your data private and safe. Mega will support an ecosystem of 3rd party privacy applications born from our new technology. Ultimately more and more of the internet will be encrypted thanks to mega *grin*. And by using mega you say 'no' to those who want to know everything about you. By using Mega you say 'no' to governments that want to spy on you. And by using Mega you say yes to internet freedom and your right to privacy.

While I don't like all the hubris, I must say the guy has the right view on things and is moving some shit.

legendary
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After many time-outs, I got on enough to get a test account.  After many time-outs on the e-mailed link, I got signed in.  Now I'm playing with it a bit, but my test upload has not gone through.  Understandable if this really is the most successful 'start-up' of all time, and I would not rule it out.
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Update on Mega:  Tonight, from my satellite connection (and BSD box with chrome built from source) I got logged in after about 1/2 and hour.  This time I managed to get a 44 byte file uploaded.  Took about a minute at 1 byte per second.  So, it's 'working'.  Sorta.

If this thing:

 - starts to work better after the initial teething and sizing problems
 - proves secure on competent analysis
 - python or C API's are forthcoming (filesystem mounts that work) so I can shit-can the browser
 - nothing demonstratable better (in philosophical terms) comes around

I imagine I'll be mostly ditching my current user-level cloud solution and switching to it.  I may even pay, but it would be mostly as a token of my appreciation since I can hardly imagine needing the capacity in my use-case.  If I can use BTC for payment or donation, all the better.

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If Dotcom really did have a paradigm shift after being spied on (in addition to the other obscene abuse) and shifts some focus away from video games and cars and toward humanitarian efforts I might develop a man-crush on the guy.  This whole thing reminds me a bit of Larry Flynt getting sued and shot.  He kept on making porn, but also put a lot of money and effort into making society a generally better place by standing up for our (the US's) first amendment rights...and fingering the hypocrites in our political circles.

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Well.. this is something I'd be happy to be wrong about.
I'm looking forward to seeing whether Mr Dotcom is visionary or just, as I suspect, reactionary.

If it's the later - I expect he'll still adopt it eventually...  once other businesses have built up the Bitcoin ecosystem to the point where he can't ignore it.
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Democracy is the original 51% attack
The problem with taking in as much revenue as he would through Bitcoin is cashing it out. Totally impossible today, even if you utilized all the on and off-exchange markets...including Coinabul.

This is not true.  Consider that for every puchase on his site via Bitcoin, there had to be a corresponding acquisition of coins prior to that. In other words, every coin that Kim sells on the market was first bought on the market to send to him.

So the only way his site's massive volume would substantially harm the price is if people with coins just decided to get rid of them via his service and never acquire more.
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legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
Somehow I am a bit disappointed of Kim. After all his talk about getting rid of US dictated monopolies, like credit cards and Paypal, I at least would have expected SOME other option than that. Maybe direct bank wires or cash in mail or ANYTHING, but Paypal, Visa and Master all over again?

I'm starting to think more and more that Kim is just a stupid guy who happened to get lucky with his service. I mean he knows how to provide that service but other than that he is a moron.

Actually as far as I can see this is a very smart design. Mega itself does not deal with the retail sales but leaves this to the resellers who can use any payment method they choose including of course Bitcoin. These resellers can be anywhere in the world so even if some one pays with say a credit card or PayPal, Mega itself does not get the payment information, and the end user can literally shop around for the jurisdiction with the strictest privacy laws when choosing a reseller.  This also means that Mega itself collects minimal information a name (with no verification), email address and an IP address (TOR anyone?). The design also calls for distributed hosting with backups of each file in different at least two different jurisdictions.

The files are encrypted and Mega itself does not have the private keys. So the only way a copyright holder will even know that there is infringing content is if the person who uploaded the content leaks the key directly or indirectly to the copyright holder. At this point I am sure Mega will honour a takedown notice provided that the copyright holder has dotted all the legal i's and crossed all the legal t's. Now user side encryption has many perfectly legal and legitimate uses such as the cloud backup of sensitive data.

This whole thing looks like it has been designed by an army of lawyers in order to create a mega legal headache for the entertainment industry while at the same time being in strict compliance with the law.
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