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Quote from: BigBitz on January 11, 2015, 08:30:04 AM

Interesting outcome... potentially

To Add. I have performed a similar action when I returned what Kruanic attempted to scam. The question of morality is interesting though. I feel KingOfSports shouldn't get what is owed until I get what I am owed, that, however, is up to TomatoCage and I would find it a difficult position.

Tomatocage put himself in this position when he decided to escrow it. He should pay you the amount.

The purchased account, the OP and Tomatocage (if he pays the seller) should all get negative trust as they helped a confirmed scammer profit.

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Quote from: haploid23 on January 10, 2015, 09:15:05 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 10, 2015, 06:08:40 PM

Tomatocage better release that payment to BigBitz. He's even marked you negative trust for stealing from him.

+1

The right thing to do would be for tomatocage to send the BTC to BitBitz, just like what BiPolarBob did HERE.

However the dilemma is that doing the right thing would mean he's not doing a good job as an escrow. Hard position to be in.

You gotta love BiPolarBob <3
Well done

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Quote from: haploid23 on January 10, 2015, 04:05:50 AM

Nobody change any feedback already left. If this request is granted, it sets terrible precedence.

If OP's only purpose is to have no posting restrictions, he can still buy a one with lower rank which will achieve the same thing. If he wants a higher rank one with neutral feedback, then pony up the BTC to buy a better one.

I agree - it defeats the purpose of a rating system. Default trust is broken, but at least its something and is somewhat used.

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Interesting outcome... potentially

To Add. I have performed a similar action when I returned what Kruanic attempted to scam. The question of morality is interesting though. I feel KingOfSports shouldn't get what is owed until I get what I am owed, that, however, is up to TomatoCage and I would find it a difficult position.

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Quote from: haploid23 on January 10, 2015, 09:15:05 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 10, 2015, 06:08:40 PM

Tomatocage better release that payment to BigBitz. He's even marked you negative trust for stealing from him.

+1

The right thing to do would be for tomatocage to send the BTC to BitBitz, just like what BiPolarBob did HERE.

However the dilemma is that doing the right thing would mean he's not doing a good job as an escrow. Hard position to be in.

He should send it to BigBitz. If he is uncomfortable he shouldn't have done escrow for this, all he is doing is helping a scammer.

The morality here confuses me. Tomatocage goes around showing what a nice scam fighter he is and now he is helping a confirmed scammer earn some BTCs. If he does that he should be putting a negative rating to himself.

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Quote from: haploid23 on January 10, 2015, 09:15:05 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 10, 2015, 06:08:40 PM

Tomatocage better release that payment to BigBitz. He's even marked you negative trust for stealing from him.

+1

The right thing to do would be for tomatocage to send the BTC to BitBitz, just like what BiPolarBob did HERE.

However the dilemma is that doing the right thing would mean he's not doing a good job as an escrow. Hard position to be in.

I don't know. If he agrees that he will release payment to KoS then I think he should. If he is not comfortable forwarding money to KoS from an escrow transaction then he should decline to participate in the transaction.

I think it is clear that KoS owes BigBiz money in this case, however doing this could start a slippery slope. hat could eventually make people less confident in escrows and might not want to use escrow and make it much easier for others to scam

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Quote from: Vod on January 10, 2015, 06:08:40 PM

Tomatocage better release that payment to BigBitz. He's even marked you negative trust for stealing from him.

+1

The right thing to do would be for tomatocage to send the BTC to BitBitz, just like what BiPolarBob did HERE.

However the dilemma is that doing the right thing would mean he's not doing a good job as an escrow. Hard position to be in.

Vod

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Quote from: Kingofsports2 on January 10, 2015, 10:37:58 AM

As I said before I'm waiting on tomatocage to come online and release my final bitcoin payment to me. Selling that coin and then moving on with my life.

Tomatocage better release that payment to BigBitz. He's even marked you negative trust for stealing from him.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 02:16:36 PM

You said that he just asked you to remove it. I was saying why would he think you would remove your trust rating (and consider the debt paid) if he didn't give you anything to cover the debt

Ooooh, I see. Guess I misunderstood and not you, hahaha. Sorry mate!

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Quote from: Mitchell on January 10, 2015, 02:11:46 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 02:01:51 PM

So we are on the same page then. There is no reason why it should be considered to be paid if he doesn't pay you anything Huh

LOL

I think you didn't understand what I meant. I would take something else/less for the 0.4BTC, but I was never given/offered anything, so I won't remove my trust rating.

You said that he just asked you to remove it. I was saying why would he think you would remove your trust rating (and consider the debt paid) if he didn't give you anything to cover the debt

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 02:01:51 PM

So we are on the same page then. There is no reason why it should be considered to be paid if he doesn't pay you anything Huh

LOL

I think you didn't understand what I meant. I would take something else/less for the 0.4BTC, but I was never given/offered anything, so I won't remove my trust rating.

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Quote from: Mitchell on January 10, 2015, 01:53:21 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 10:53:56 AM

yea if he refuses to pay anything then yea there is no reason why you would remove the feedback, however if he offered something then I would think of it as getting something is better then nothing especially considering that the debt appears to be over a year old (according to your trust refrence) and for traditional fiat based unsecured loans (like credit cards) the loans are often sold to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar once they fall far enough behind (usually ~6 months)(it may not be this large of a discount but the discount is very large) and both lendrts and debt collectors are usually willing to settle for a lot less then the amount owed (and the credit reporting would be changed to "settled for less then full amount" which is a lot better then delinquent but nowhere near as good as "paid as agreed").

I would most likely accept something less than the 0.4BTC, but I was never offered something. Just asked if I wanted to remove it.

So we are on the same page then. There is no reason why it should be considered to be paid if he doesn't pay you anything Huh

LOL

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 10:53:56 AM

yea if he refuses to pay anything then yea there is no reason why you would remove the feedback, however if he offered something then I would think of it as getting something is better then nothing especially considering that the debt appears to be over a year old (according to your trust refrence) and for traditional fiat based unsecured loans (like credit cards) the loans are often sold to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar once they fall far enough behind (usually ~6 months)(it may not be this large of a discount but the discount is very large) and both lendrts and debt collectors are usually willing to settle for a lot less then the amount owed (and the credit reporting would be changed to "settled for less then full amount" which is a lot better then delinquent but nowhere near as good as "paid as agreed").

I would most likely accept something less than the 0.4BTC, but I was never offered something. Just asked if I wanted to remove it.

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Quote from: Mitchell on January 10, 2015, 10:40:44 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 10:36:28 AM

if it can be proven the ownership changed then I would think bigbiz would be willing to accept a significant "haircut" to agree the loan was repaid for account trust purposes

I wouldn't, ever. That would mean I had to let go the debt that jasonslow has with me (0.4BTC) even though the account has been sold to Injust (who refuses to pay). I stick with my principal, if you buy an account, you buy everything. However, that is my opinion and I get it if someone else thinks differently.

yea if he refuses to pay anything then yea there is no reason why you would remove the feedback, however if he offered something then I would think of it as getting something is better then nothing especially considering that the debt appears to be over a year old (according to your trust refrence) and for traditional fiat based unsecured loans (like credit cards) the loans are often sold to debt collectors for pennies on the dollar once they fall far enough behind (usually ~6 months)(it may not be this large of a discount but the discount is very large) and both lendrts and debt collectors are usually willing to settle for a lot less then the amount owed (and the credit reporting would be changed to "settled for less then full amount" which is a lot better then delinquent but nowhere near as good as "paid as agreed").

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 10:36:28 AM

if it can be proven the ownership changed then I would think bigbiz would be willing to accept a significant "haircut" to agree the loan was repaid for account trust purposes

I wouldn't, ever. That would mean I had to let go the debt that jasonslow has with me (0.4BTC) even though the account has been sold to Injust (who refuses to pay). I stick with my principal, if you buy an account, you buy everything. However, that is my opinion and I get it if someone else thinks differently.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 10, 2015, 10:36:28 AM

Quote from: Mitchell on January 10, 2015, 10:25:15 AM

In my opinion, if you buy an account, you buy everything. This includes BTC debts and negative feedback. I wouldn't remove my trust feedback.

if it can be proven the ownership changed then I would think bigbiz would be willing to accept a significant "haircut" to agree the loan was repaid for account trust purposes

Yes , because it is not the "forum account" that didn't repaid back the loan , it was the "person". If he can prove the change of ownership maybe ....

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Quote from: Scamalert on January 10, 2015, 10:27:20 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

By the way Quickseller, your feedback is not true. The offer I made for the $275 (the USD worth of the mistaken 2 BTC sent at the time + a generous 10% interest as a nice gesture) was MY OFFER.

I was never made an offer by Bigblitz to accept. I made my offer on the condition all rep would be dropped and the whole thing would be looked past. He shot back and said no it would the first payment on the full payment of 2 BTC you owe. So no I was never made an offer to payback if he ever wanted to settle I made a more than generous offer on his mistake.

You should change your feedback to say I was never offered a settlement of less cause that never happened. And plus it was a gift gesture to completely drop the claim, I still argue I owe nothing.

Why would you care?
You already made your last post here:

Quote from: Kingofsports2 on January 10, 2015, 09:24:09 AM

--snip
Leaving the forum but before I do would like to say good luck BadBear. On one final note, this user is nonstop spamming and are all one liners. I would think a ban is in order here:
--snip

Is this some attempt to clean up your account?
I am getting suspicious here.

As I said before I'm waiting on tomatocage to come online and release my final bitcoin payment to me. Selling that coin and then moving on with my life.

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Quote from: Mitchell on January 10, 2015, 10:25:15 AM

In my opinion, if you buy an account, you buy everything. This includes BTC debts and negative feedback. I wouldn't remove my trust feedback.

if it can be proven the ownership changed then I would think bigbiz would be willing to accept a significant "haircut" to agree the loan was repaid for account trust purposes

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Quote from: ?? on ??

By the way Quickseller, your feedback is not true. The offer I made for the $275 (the USD worth of the mistaken 2 BTC sent at the time + a generous 10% interest as a nice gesture) was MY OFFER.

I was never made an offer by Bigblitz to accept. I made my offer on the condition all rep would be dropped and the whole thing would be looked past. He shot back and said no it would the first payment on the full payment of 2 BTC you owe. So no I was never made an offer to payback if he ever wanted to settle I made a more than generous offer on his mistake.

You should change your feedback to say I was never offered a settlement of less cause that never happened. And plus it was a gift gesture to completely drop the claim, I still argue I owe nothing.

Why would you care?
You already made your last post here:

Quote from: Kingofsports2 on January 10, 2015, 09:24:09 AM

--snip
Leaving the forum but before I do would like to say good luck BadBear. On one final note, this user is nonstop spamming and are all one liners. I would think a ban is in order here:
--snip

Is this some attempt to clean up your account?
I am getting suspicious here.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

By the way Quickseller, your feedback is not true. The offer I made for the $275 (the USD worth of the mistaken 2 BTC sent at the time + a generous 10% interest as a nice gesture) was MY OFFER.

I was never made an offer by Bigblitz to accept. I made my offer on the condition all rep would be dropped and the whole thing would be looked past. He shot back and said no it would the first payment on the full payment of 2 BTC you owe. So no I was never made an offer to payback if he ever wanted to settle I made a more than generous offer on his mistake.

You should change your feedback to say I was never offered a settlement of less cause that never happened. And plus it was a gift gesture to completely drop the claim, I still argue I owe nothing.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9798984

I would say if big biz were to take you to court then he would get judgment against you.

There is no way that you would be able to get all the feedback removed by repaying your debt based on the fact that you offered to pay to have Vod put in the hospital (or some variation of that).

Even ignoring the above negative trust would still be appropiate because of how late you would be in repaying (although I would think most people would remove such feedback, myself included).

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