Another two major difference is the centralization of Ethereum and the fact that the centralized authority has abused its power in the past to effectively nullify mutability of Ethereum blockchain when they decided to roll back blocks to get back the money they'd lost in the bet they made on DAO without even fixing the protocol's flaw that led to the problem in first place.
They built Ethereum like that because they wanted to be different to bitcoin and so they end up with those incidents, thank God and Satoshi that I wasn't influenced by my friends to do those DAO at that time because I would've been in a confusing place in cryptospace if I did, that's also a scary thing for Eth to have some sort of reset button in the cases that the whales weren't able to do what they wanted to do. That's a red flag already as to why you shouldn't put your bitcoins in Eth, you're going to regret it when there's a possibility that the roll back can happen again. 
Topic: Know your facts: Fundamental differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum - page 2. (Read 215 times)
December 29, 2023, 03:05:02 AM
December 29, 2023, 02:56:20 AM
ethereum does not have much of its own independent utility/economy.
due to the observable fact that ethereum shadow follows bitcoin movements shows that there is no real independent market speculation on ethereum
if people used/valued ethereum for ethereum utility the market wiggles of ethereum would be different wiggles/trajectories compared to bitcoin
but the fact that ethereum shadows bitcoin shows ethereum doesnt have its own utility speculation
due to staking, the underlying cpu cost of validating signing and accepting of blocks for ethereum calculates at ~<$50 per eth
however bitcoins underlying cost at the most efficient majority starts at $25k
this give bitcoin a good underlying value support that make majority not want to sell btc below $25k bitcoin is at a healthy 1.7x above value
yet ethereum due to lack of ethereums own speculation economy, has a pumped market 47x higher than its underlying cost value
due to the observable fact that ethereum shadow follows bitcoin movements shows that there is no real independent market speculation on ethereum
if people used/valued ethereum for ethereum utility the market wiggles of ethereum would be different wiggles/trajectories compared to bitcoin
but the fact that ethereum shadows bitcoin shows ethereum doesnt have its own utility speculation
due to staking, the underlying cpu cost of validating signing and accepting of blocks for ethereum calculates at ~<$50 per eth
however bitcoins underlying cost at the most efficient majority starts at $25k
this give bitcoin a good underlying value support that make majority not want to sell btc below $25k bitcoin is at a healthy 1.7x above value
yet ethereum due to lack of ethereums own speculation economy, has a pumped market 47x higher than its underlying cost value
December 29, 2023, 02:39:36 AM
Another two major difference is the centralization of Ethereum and the fact that the centralized authority has abused its power in the past to effectively nullify mutability of Ethereum blockchain when they decided to roll back blocks to get back the money they'd lost in the bet they made on DAO without even fixing the protocol's flaw that led to the problem in first place.
The other is the huge premine that Ethereum had. While Bitcoin has no premine and every single satoshi is created fair and square, the Ethereum is not the same. They premined tens of millions of it before releasing the project.
The other is the huge premine that Ethereum had. While Bitcoin has no premine and every single satoshi is created fair and square, the Ethereum is not the same. They premined tens of millions of it before releasing the project.
December 29, 2023, 02:23:33 AM
The benefits of BTC over Ethereum are reflected in returns these coins offer.
It is very well explained in this article
https://blockworks.co/news/bitcoin-eclipse-ethereum-returns
As mentioned in this article, Ethereum was launched in 2015 and it has increased by 66,544% from its initial price.
On the other hand, BTC was $0.00076392 in 2009. From there, it has increased to 4-billion percent.
Almost impossible for ETH to catch this growth ever.
It is very well explained in this article
https://blockworks.co/news/bitcoin-eclipse-ethereum-returns
As mentioned in this article, Ethereum was launched in 2015 and it has increased by 66,544% from its initial price.
On the other hand, BTC was $0.00076392 in 2009. From there, it has increased to 4-billion percent.
Almost impossible for ETH to catch this growth ever.
December 28, 2023, 01:34:59 PM
Earlier, I have had a much more positive view about Altcoins but when reviewing opinions of computer scientists, coders and developers, it looks like Ethereum can’t compete against Bitcoin at all.
In an earlier topic I’ve already listed important characteristics why Bitcoin is an advanced and safe coin:
1. Bitcoin is well reviewed
When Bitcoin was invented, it was set up to be a big security. Hacks should be impossible and get prevented by good code. Bitcoin attracted and still has a very large community of really educated developers.
Bitcoin has a very reliable coder community, where flaws will be detected early before implementation and no risks are being taken. Many much smaller coins have a very flawed code review process.
A large and educated coder community reviewing code during testing times is an important advantage for Bitcoin.
And luckily, it saves us from possible hacks, when hackers are prevented from detecting flaws faster because all flaws are removed before implementation.
We have seen so many hacks, where a flawed code was exploited and people lost money, like for Altcoin cross chain bridges recently or when Terra Luna failed.
Still, people are buying coins from unreliable coders like Tron from Justin Sun or even weaker DeFi coins like Acala Stablecoin from Polkadot’s supplier Web 3.
Unfortunately, some people will only learn after a loss.
Some coins are very centralized and have a single point of failure like Solana, when it was down several times or devs have much power like in Binance Coin or Tron.
And DeFi coins can easily print some more coins / tokens into existence.
Bitcoin is having a big advantage here.
2. Bitcoin has PoW
It is big controversy for a long time, if a coin makes PoW or PoS, like it was for Ethereum [ETH]. Not for Bitcoin because Bitcoin developers have decided PoW is best because of security. From what Experts have said so far, PoW is very hard or almost impossible to compromise instead of PoS, where more attack vectors can be found. Like Corona, we should trust mayority of experts who have education and experience in an issue. Satoshi implemented PoW not PoS because Satoshi knew. He was very experienced and called it right.
PoS can be abused by rich stakers and makes a project centralized in many ways like premined coins and devs can create much influence by staking a large amount of PoS coins. PoW is not having such issues.
3. Security is Bitcoin’s priority
As for a safe cryptocurrency, security standards are very important. First point, we need security standards and Satoshi implemented it right himself, when he developed Bitcoin. Early Bitcoin developers added more security standards. Second point is after some time, to NOT remove such security standards. First point and especially second point are relevant to many Altcoins, which is a big issue for Altcoins.
Many Altcoins don’t offer anymore to create private and public keys to prove ownership of funds and access it. It is very concerning and seems mind blowing to many experienced coders.
For example, when creating a Solana wallet or similar new Altcoins. Altcoin developers are not focussing on security.
Or even MEW is bitching around more and more every time going away by implementing insecure patches. We need to have our private key offline.
Many Altcoins are leaving people vulnerable which is very concerning.
Bitcoin is better like Electrum for example. Its design is not so nice but Electrum is good tech and recommended by many experts.
Bitcoin is still having very high security standards today because of Bitcoin does not want to build a hype coin, Bitcoin wants to build a safe coin.
It is our duty to select a safe coin instead of an unsafe hype coin.
But now, a direct comparison to Ethereum should be drawn because it’s also always an opportunity when someone has bought Ethereum (or a different Altcoin) and he wants to have arguments for or against each coin in direct comparison.
In such cases, it is all about an accurate research and argument and also for education for us to really know a fact about fundamental differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum to get a direct comparison.
Maybe experienced members can elaborate a list of valid arguments, especially for such points, when comparing Bitcoin’s and Ethereum’s fundamentals:
- developers of Ethereum have too much power
- nodes and miners in Bitcoin vs. nodes and miners in Ethereum
- Ethereum code changes can be done much easier compared to Bitcoin
- Ethereum history vs. Bitcoin history (which coin is more stablished)
+ more points of importance
When someone is asking me or I need to explain and compare fundamental differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum, I would be happy to give a good explanation, why Ethereum can’t compete against Bitcoin.
I’ll be happy to see your answers, read and review it.
In an earlier topic I’ve already listed important characteristics why Bitcoin is an advanced and safe coin:
1. Bitcoin is well reviewed
When Bitcoin was invented, it was set up to be a big security. Hacks should be impossible and get prevented by good code. Bitcoin attracted and still has a very large community of really educated developers.
Bitcoin has a very reliable coder community, where flaws will be detected early before implementation and no risks are being taken. Many much smaller coins have a very flawed code review process.
A large and educated coder community reviewing code during testing times is an important advantage for Bitcoin.
And luckily, it saves us from possible hacks, when hackers are prevented from detecting flaws faster because all flaws are removed before implementation.
We have seen so many hacks, where a flawed code was exploited and people lost money, like for Altcoin cross chain bridges recently or when Terra Luna failed.
Still, people are buying coins from unreliable coders like Tron from Justin Sun or even weaker DeFi coins like Acala Stablecoin from Polkadot’s supplier Web 3.
Unfortunately, some people will only learn after a loss.
Some coins are very centralized and have a single point of failure like Solana, when it was down several times or devs have much power like in Binance Coin or Tron.
And DeFi coins can easily print some more coins / tokens into existence.
Bitcoin is having a big advantage here.
2. Bitcoin has PoW
It is big controversy for a long time, if a coin makes PoW or PoS, like it was for Ethereum [ETH]. Not for Bitcoin because Bitcoin developers have decided PoW is best because of security. From what Experts have said so far, PoW is very hard or almost impossible to compromise instead of PoS, where more attack vectors can be found. Like Corona, we should trust mayority of experts who have education and experience in an issue. Satoshi implemented PoW not PoS because Satoshi knew. He was very experienced and called it right.
PoS can be abused by rich stakers and makes a project centralized in many ways like premined coins and devs can create much influence by staking a large amount of PoS coins. PoW is not having such issues.
3. Security is Bitcoin’s priority
As for a safe cryptocurrency, security standards are very important. First point, we need security standards and Satoshi implemented it right himself, when he developed Bitcoin. Early Bitcoin developers added more security standards. Second point is after some time, to NOT remove such security standards. First point and especially second point are relevant to many Altcoins, which is a big issue for Altcoins.
Many Altcoins don’t offer anymore to create private and public keys to prove ownership of funds and access it. It is very concerning and seems mind blowing to many experienced coders.
For example, when creating a Solana wallet or similar new Altcoins. Altcoin developers are not focussing on security.
Or even MEW is bitching around more and more every time going away by implementing insecure patches. We need to have our private key offline.
Many Altcoins are leaving people vulnerable which is very concerning.
Bitcoin is better like Electrum for example. Its design is not so nice but Electrum is good tech and recommended by many experts.
Bitcoin is still having very high security standards today because of Bitcoin does not want to build a hype coin, Bitcoin wants to build a safe coin.
It is our duty to select a safe coin instead of an unsafe hype coin.
But now, a direct comparison to Ethereum should be drawn because it’s also always an opportunity when someone has bought Ethereum (or a different Altcoin) and he wants to have arguments for or against each coin in direct comparison.
In such cases, it is all about an accurate research and argument and also for education for us to really know a fact about fundamental differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum to get a direct comparison.
Maybe experienced members can elaborate a list of valid arguments, especially for such points, when comparing Bitcoin’s and Ethereum’s fundamentals:
- developers of Ethereum have too much power
- nodes and miners in Bitcoin vs. nodes and miners in Ethereum
- Ethereum code changes can be done much easier compared to Bitcoin
- Ethereum history vs. Bitcoin history (which coin is more stablished)
+ more points of importance
When someone is asking me or I need to explain and compare fundamental differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum, I would be happy to give a good explanation, why Ethereum can’t compete against Bitcoin.
I’ll be happy to see your answers, read and review it.
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