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Topic: Krugman lying again (Iceland) (Read 2315 times)

legendary
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September 06, 2011, 11:03:37 AM
#29
Anyone that does not know about this troll can check here (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/comrades-is-bitcoin-a-great-leap-forward-for-international-socialism-41126).

I think the first post states clearly where Kruggy is lying, but if anyone (that is not a troll) has any doubt just ask.

? I am not stevendobbs.  And I don't think he is a troll.  What is wrong with you?

Your inability to point to a lie says a lot.
legendary
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
September 06, 2011, 10:22:18 AM
#28
Anyone that does not know about this troll can check here (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/comrades-is-bitcoin-a-great-leap-forward-for-international-socialism-41126).

I think the first post states clearly where Kruggy is lying, but if anyone (that is not a troll) has any doubt just ask.
legendary
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September 06, 2011, 09:27:18 AM
#27
Still no lie hugolp ?

Sometimes I forget you are a troll and answer to you. Hopefully it wont happen again.

That would be a "no lie but at least I had a nice headline" then. I notice you still call anyone who disagrees with you a troll.  Sad.
legendary
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
September 06, 2011, 07:42:37 AM
#26
I want to see Murphy and Krugman debate.  I think it would be very interesting and would provide people with a better understanding of both Austrian economics and Keynsian economics.  Also, as of right now, over $60,000 will be donated to the Fresh Food program at the New York food bank.  I wish someone would successfully appeal to the Conscience of a Liberal to get Krugman to agree to debate.

Yeah, its weird that Krugman would refuse to help the needed with a debate because he is always claiming that is his objective.
legendary
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
September 06, 2011, 07:41:11 AM
#25
Still no lie hugolp ?

Sometimes I forget you are a troll and answer to you. Hopefully it wont happen again.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
September 06, 2011, 02:42:50 AM
#24
Still no lie hugolp ?
sr. member
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Merit: 250
September 05, 2011, 07:02:25 PM
#23
Let it all fucking burn imo.

I'm ready for the collapse, bring it on. We've got so many people skimming off the top these days that they're skimming off the bottom too. We can handle a couple of years of anarchy and collapse if it brings a new dawn...

If a few hundred billionaires and a few thousand millionaires get wiped out so that the rest of us can have a good economy, then let it roll.
sr. member
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September 05, 2011, 05:06:11 PM
#22
I want to see Murphy and Krugman debate.  I think it would be very interesting and would provide people with a better understanding of both Austrian economics and Keynsian economics.  Also, as of right now, over $60,000 will be donated to the Fresh Food program at the New York food bank.  I wish someone would successfully appeal to the Conscience of a Liberal to get Krugman to agree to debate.
legendary
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September 05, 2011, 04:25:58 PM
#21
Krugman has consistently supported the Iceland approach including bailouts. 

Here's a 2008 post from him; seems absolutely consistent with his latest: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/the-850-billion-bailout/

Normally when you accuse someone of lying, you provide a link to both posts.

Yes, and I did. Because I am not accusing Kruggy of what you are saying I am accusing him. You might want to read what I wrote again.

OK break it down for me.  What has he lied about that related to what you wrote?
legendary
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
September 05, 2011, 03:20:48 PM
#20
Krugman has consistently supported the Iceland approach including bailouts. 

Here's a 2008 post from him; seems absolutely consistent with his latest: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/the-850-billion-bailout/

Normally when you accuse someone of lying, you provide a link to both posts.

Yes, and I did. Because I am not accusing Kruggy of what you are saying I am accusing him. You might want to read what I wrote again.
legendary
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September 05, 2011, 03:09:19 PM
#19
Krugman has consistently supported the Iceland approach including bailouts. 

Here's a 2008 post from him; seems absolutely consistent with his latest: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/the-850-billion-bailout/

Normally when you accuse someone of lying, you provide a link to both posts.
sr. member
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Elder Crypto God
September 05, 2011, 10:17:57 AM
#18
Wait wait hold on.
Do I actually hear some of you proclaiming seriously that we should just let all the banks fail and the entire global economy collapse?
"The more parasites removed the better?"  Are you fucking serious?  Would you yourself even survive if the global economy collapsed again?
Why a global economy should collapse without wars, famine or other disasters?
Over leveraged malinvestment and indebtedness enabled and encouraged by a flawed ideology.

But I thought the cure for heroin withdrawal was more heroin? Am I doing it wrong?
hero member
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September 05, 2011, 09:54:04 AM
#17
Wait wait hold on.
Do I actually hear some of you proclaiming seriously that we should just let all the banks fail and the entire global economy collapse?
"The more parasites removed the better?"  Are you fucking serious?  Would you yourself even survive if the global economy collapsed again?
Why a global economy should collapse without wars, famine or other disasters?
Over leveraged malinvestment and indebtedness enabled and encouraged by a flawed ideology.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
September 05, 2011, 04:41:02 AM
#16
Wait wait hold on.
Do I actually hear some of you proclaiming seriously that we should just let all the banks fail and the entire global economy collapse?
"The more parasites removed the better?"  Are you fucking serious?  Would you yourself even survive if the global economy collapsed again?
Why a global economy should collapse without wars, famine or other disasters?
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1001
Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
September 05, 2011, 01:33:09 AM
#15
Well, unsurprisingly the country that did not follow the keynesian ideas and just refused to pay the debt, Iceland, has been the first country to get out of the depression and the unemployment is going dow to normal levels. The situation is still dire, but all the indicators are improving.

I'm not a Keynesian but I see this comment made rather often.  One problem with Keynesianisn is that we have never tried it. In the business cycle, government is supposed to deficit spend during the bottom part of the business cycle and pay it pack during the good times. We have only borrowed and borrowed and never paid it back. This is not Keynesianism.

All we have is perpetual debt growth.

Well, thats not true. According to Krugman there has been two real keynesian stimulus plans in history. The one the USA made at the Great Depression and the one Japan made after their housing bubble pop. You can see the restults of both, the depression kept going.

But one has to ask if the keynesian plan is even posible. Because if you give the politicians the power to go into debt and spend because all this academics are justifying it, well, surprise surprise, the politicians will go into deb and spend. The theory is wrong at the basic levels, but even accepting it, one should conclude that its impossible to enforce.
hero member
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September 05, 2011, 12:34:29 AM
#14
Well, unsurprisingly the country that did not follow the keynesian ideas and just refused to pay the debt, Iceland, has been the first country to get out of the depression and the unemployment is going dow to normal levels. The situation is still dire, but all the indicators are improving.

I'm not a Keynesian but I see this comment made rather often.  One problem with Keynesianisn is that we have never tried it. In the business cycle, government is supposed to deficit spend during the bottom part of the business cycle and pay it pack during the good times. We have only borrowed and borrowed and never paid it back. This is not Keynesianism.

All we have is perpetual debt growth.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
September 04, 2011, 01:39:22 PM
#13
I am not an economist, but wouldn't cash devalue in a global economic collapse as well?

It depends on the type of collapse. But usually long term the cash will devaluate.

The thing is that after the pop of a bubble all the contraction of credit (credit crunch) produces deflation increasing the value of cash. Then governments counter-act by printing money but they want to be carefull as to not hyper-inflate and also it takes a while for the new money to appear in the market. So usually after a bubble you see some deflationary presures (a period where cash appreciates) followed by a period of inflation where the deflationary presures have disappeared and the country has to "pay" the money printing (a period where money devaluates).

So the answer is not white or black. It all depends on the moment. Its the same for everything, there are periods to be in cash, there are periods to be in gold and there are periods to be in stocks.
member
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Hillariously voracious
September 04, 2011, 01:27:50 PM
#12
I am not an economist, but wouldn't cash devalue in a global economic collapse as well?

Or did cypherdoc mean "gold brickses" when he said "cash" ?
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
September 04, 2011, 05:48:18 AM
#11
Wait wait hold on.
Do I actually hear some of you proclaiming seriously that we should just let all the banks fail and the entire global economy collapse?
"The more parasites removed the better?"  Are you fucking serious?  Would you yourself even survive if the global economy collapsed again?

actually i would do very well.  i have no debt and i've saved lots of cash just waiting for the thing to implode so i could buy assets on the cheap. 

Are you sure that your savings in the bank will not be wiped out if that bank fails? Or you stored greenbacks in your basement  Wink

legendary
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Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
September 04, 2011, 04:24:52 AM
#10
Wait wait hold on.
Do I actually hear some of you proclaiming seriously that we should just let all the banks fail and the entire global economy collapse?
"The more parasites removed the better?"  Are you fucking serious?  Would you yourself even survive if the global economy collapsed again?

There are sensible ways of managing a bankruptcy of a government regulated banking system like the one we have today. Sweden did it and it worked very well for them.

Also, its important to notice that its not only important to let bankrupt institutions fail, but that removing legal tender laws and allowing peole to pay taxes in whatever they earn is necesary as well, because it would allow for the creation of alternative financial system that could channel savings towards new productive investment.
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