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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on February 13, 2024, 05:39:54 PM

I can't really understand the behavior of Barcelona with their player, Frenkie de Jong. We all know Barcelona is not in a good situation and buying any new player is impossible for them. Also, Frenkie de Jong was recently one of the best players in this team but they don't respect him enough. Barcelona even tried to sell De Jong to Manchester United but his performance made them keep this player. Now he is sad because Barcelona is not willing to extend his offer to pay him more salary and that's why he could leave.

The situation there is a little different: Barcelona wants him to extend his contract with the club until 2029 with a reduction in salary. Naturally, he is not interested in this, so the club can try to get rid of him. He currently has a contract until 2026 and is one of the highest paid players at the club. In the previous season, when Barcelona put pressure on him, he showed that he had balls of iron and did not agree to a salary reduction. I think Barcelona need to come to terms with the fact that they need to fulfill the terms of the contract that they themselves signed. They can't do anything to him - even if they put him on the bench, they will be obliged to pay him his salary.

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Quote from: ndutndut on February 14, 2024, 10:10:26 AM

In my opinion. Barcelona's current downturn is not the players' fault, but rather Xavi's fault for not being able to coach a team as big as Barcelona. Xavi is none other than the Spanish version of Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney. Good players but bad managers. Completely beyond his depth and capabilities.

Even though they have Pedri, Frenkie, Lewa, the best strikers, Araujo and Kounde the best defenders, and Mats the best goalkeeper. And now Xavi blames the players and keeps saying injuries and teenagers. All the players I mentioned above are the best. Just look now at Real Madrid without the main goalkeeper and all the CB players. It doesn't even have a main striker. Playing several games without a single CB, they had several injuries and two months without Vini, Cama, Carvajal and others, now Jude is injured, but Real Madrid can get through it because they have a genius coach. So, Barcelona can bounce back next season after Xavi steps down from Barcelona and Barcelona brings in a new coach.

You made a fairly accurate comparison of the two teams who are always their main rivals every season (Barcelona and Real Madrid). But what you say is quite real and true that Real Madrid is currently still able to overcome all obstacles and challenges even without a main striker in its squad. But Barcelona, with the complete set of players you mentioned, actually looks slumped and is even very unsure of finishing in the top four of La Liga this season if it continues to lose to teams that are weaker than it.

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Quote from: bering on February 14, 2024, 09:43:10 AM

Girona is really facing tight schedules this month because after they fight against Real Madrid then this week Girona will playing away at Bilbao home ground and i will see this match will be difficult match for Girona because on November last year Bilbao can able to makes Girona slipped because at that time they only playing draw and now after beated by Real Madrid last week Girona actually want to return to the winning ways but seems it won't be easy because Bilbao is categorized as dark horses team this season and their current performance is much better compared to last season

I have been discuss about this before because Bilbao was very strong at their home and during this season Bilbao can collect 9 wins at there and only lost once from Real Madrid so Girona is really gets decent opponent this time and i think Bilbao potentially can makes Girona gets in trouble and currently Girona has 5 difference points below to Real Madrid and if they want to keep up Real Madrid for race title i think win result is mandatory because if they lost or draw then Girona target to taking over first place from Real Madrid will be so difficult but after seeing Bilbao home matches statistics i think Bilbao possibly can being an the winner of this match

Girona have performed very well for most of this season, but Real Madrid were able to beat them like little kids. Maybe after this defeat Girona will have a crisis, but maybe the opposite will happen and they will be more motivated. This season they are only focused on La Liga and I hope they can stay in the top four.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on February 14, 2024, 12:08:11 PM

At the same time it would be a risk for them, because they also need quality players to maintain their performance, and as we know quality players have a high price. Sure, some of the cheaper players will help, but how much will they contribute? There are also relatively cheap players who show a very good game, but they are rare to find.
One of the things they can do is to use young players, yes of course with the risks involved. But if they are lucky enough, then they will find a very good young talent that can help them get better.
All methods have their own risks, they just need to choose which risk they will take.

If a team has enough finances, then the best players will also be available to them. They will also look for young and talented players, and sometimes this can work, but more often than not we see that top teams are looking to buy already established stars, like Mbappe, Kane, Haaland and others. And such players will only be available to teams that have good funding.

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Quote from: FanEagle on February 14, 2024, 11:36:01 AM

Frankie De Jong gets about 20 million a year, I think that is not the highest after Mbappe, there are plenty like Kane, but it is definitely high. Barcelona can't afford to pay him 20 a year, they can sell him or just release him after his contract is over. I do not get why people are mad about it, Barcelona was managed poorly and they lost all their money that part is true and you can be mad about that part.

However, afterwards as in if you look at it right now then we can see that they are doing the right thing. How can a company who sold a lot of stuff just to keep the lights on, can afford a 20 million a year player. They should go with cheaper players, that would make it a lot better for all of them without a doubt.

At the same time it would be a risk for them, because they also need quality players to maintain their performance, and as we know quality players have a high price. Sure, some of the cheaper players will help, but how much will they contribute? There are also relatively cheap players who show a very good game, but they are rare to find.
One of the things they can do is to use young players, yes of course with the risks involved. But if they are lucky enough, then they will find a very good young talent that can help them get better.
All methods have their own risks, they just need to choose which risk they will take.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 14, 2024, 03:36:23 AM

Barcelona have very valuable players indeed but they wouldn't and shouldn't sell some specific players thinking about their future. Players like Gavi, Pedri should always be kept in the squad for example. This kind of players are Barcelona's future now. Barcelona's most recent contract with them must be already showing that they don't intend to part ways with them anytime.

This team might just make use of some improvements in the defense line. Because they have been horrible this season as they have conceded too many goals compared to the previous season. A team like Barcelona deserve the best players for every position.

Basically, Barcelona don't have good finances because after all, the reduction in salaries for some players also certainly has a bad impact on player morale . So ya, I personally believe that Barcelona will find it difficult to build a youngsquad for a long-term squad . Therefore, it will certainly make it difficult for Barcelona to get consistent performance every season . So yes, with problems like that, then ofcourse Barcelona mustovercome their financial problems first because afterall, the other big teams have better finances. Therefore, Barcelona will find it difficult to provide good resistance if in fact Barcelona does not have a strong foundation to be able to build a better squad.

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Quote from: skarais on February 14, 2024, 11:20:54 AM

Barcelona won't be considered better even if they really had a great season even when they won the title, but it feels natural because Barcelona is Real Madrid's toughest challenger so far. Xavi and all the coaches who have coached Barcelona know how much pressure they face at Barcelona, even pressure from external is sometimes much worse and can have an impact on them. But I respect him as a player and coach, he has proven his worth at Barcelona.

Barcelona seems to have to give up Madrid to win the title this season because it is very difficult for Barcelona to catch up on the points difference against Madrid, so they currently have to focus on the match in the UCL where they still have a chance to advance to the next round, I can't imagine how Barcelona will be in next season without Xavi who in my opinion has become a great coach for Barcelona and he is very experienced in playing Barcelona's game on the pitch because he is a former player there. so he definitely knows how to make Barcelona a great club.

Barcelona's rivalry with Madrid has obviously been around for a long time, and there has always been tight competition against them, but this season it seems that Barcelona can't do much, because they have experienced bad results in their last few matches, it seems like the case against Granada where they were held to a draw and had to concede. three goals is something they don't need to experience, their defense is really not good so it is easy for the opponent to break through, Xavi must be able to fix it with the abilities he has left at the moment.

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Frankie De Jong gets about 20 million a year, I think that is not the highest after Mbappe, there are plenty like Kane, but it is definitely high. Barcelona can't afford to pay him 20 a year, they can sell him or just release him after his contract is over. I do not get why people are mad about it, Barcelona was managed poorly and they lost all their money that part is true and you can be mad about that part.

However, afterwards as in if you look at it right now then we can see that they are doing the right thing. How can a company who sold a lot of stuff just to keep the lights on, can afford a 20 million a year player. They should go with cheaper players, that would make it a lot better for all of them without a doubt.

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Quote from: indah rezqi on February 14, 2024, 11:10:10 AM

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It can be understood, but Xavi cannot be completely blamed, he has tried his best for the best results he could give. Last season Madrid experienced a setback, and Barcelona managed to dominate La Liga by winning it. This season Madrid is on the rise, and Barcelona is struggling to keep up with the competition, an ups and downs that is very common in football. I think replacing Xavi is also not wrong, the management definitely understands the condition and needs of the team, what they need to pay attention to is the right successor to replace Xavi.

The injury factor is also very understandable, the difference between Xavi and Ancelotti is very clear, where experience makes a clear difference in the results of matches, especially in experimenting to determine the lineup. It is very likely that Barcelona next season will be even better, but Xavi must be able to bring Barcelona to finish in the top four of the standings and appear in the UCL next season. I see that the depth of Barcelona squad actually makes it possible for them to compete to retain the trophy, but Xavi has failed to manage opportunities this season.

Of course, your assumption towards Barcelona this season is quite neutral where there is no hidden sentiment or hatred in it. It's true, Xavi cannot be entirely blamed for the decline in Barcelona's level of play this season, I think all the players know that too and as players they also have responsibility for their respective jobs.

Barcelona won't be considered better even if they really had a great season even when they won the title, but it feels natural because Barcelona is Real Madrid's toughest challenger so far. Xavi and all the coaches who have coached Barcelona know how much pressure they face at Barcelona, even pressure from external is sometimes much worse and can have an impact on them. But I respect him as a player and coach, he has proven his worth at Barcelona.

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Quote from: ndutndut on February 14, 2024, 10:10:26 AM

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In my opinion. Barcelona's current downturn is not the players' fault, but rather Xavi's fault for not being able to coach a team as big as Barcelona. Xavi is none other than the Spanish version of Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney. Good players but bad managers. Completely beyond his depth and capabilities.

Even though they have Pedri, Frenkie, Lewa, the best strikers, Araujo and Kounde the best defenders, and Mats the best goalkeeper. And now Xavi blames the players and keeps saying injuries and teenagers. All the players I mentioned above are the best. Just look now at Real Madrid without the main goalkeeper and all the CB players. It doesn't even have a main striker. Playing several games without a single CB, they had several injuries and two months without Vini, Cama, Carvajal and others, now Jude is injured, but Real Madrid can get through it because they have a genius coach. So, Barcelona can bounce back next season after Xavi steps down from Barcelona and Barcelona brings in a new coach.

It can be understood, but Xavi cannot be completely blamed, he has tried his best for the best results he could give. Last season Madrid experienced a setback, and Barcelona managed to dominate La Liga by winning it. This season Madrid is on the rise, and Barcelona is struggling to keep up with the competition, an ups and downs that is very common in football. I think replacing Xavi is also not wrong, the management definitely understands the condition and needs of the team, what they need to pay attention to is the right successor to replace Xavi.

The injury factor is also very understandable, the difference between Xavi and Ancelotti is very clear, where experience makes a clear difference in the results of matches, especially in experimenting to determine the lineup. It is very likely that Barcelona next season will be even better, but Xavi must be able to bring Barcelona to finish in the top four of the standings and appear in the UCL next season. I see that the depth of Barcelona squad actually makes it possible for them to compete to retain the trophy, but Xavi has failed to manage opportunities this season.

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Quote from: rendravolt on February 14, 2024, 02:44:55 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on February 13, 2024, 05:39:54 PM

I can't really understand the behavior of Barcelona with their player, Frenkie de Jong. We all know Barcelona is not in a good situation and buying any new player is impossible for them. Also, Frenkie de Jong was recently one of the best players in this team but they don't respect him enough. Barcelona even tried to sell De Jong to Manchester United but his performance made them keep this player. Now he is sad because Barcelona is not willing to extend his offer to pay him more salary and that's why he could leave.

Isn't De Jong staying at Barcelona because of the high salary? and if I'm not mistaken he gets the second biggest salary as a football player after Mbappe from PSG. I don't think any player will want to leave as long as the club can still pay very high salaries and that's why De Jong is so comfortable at Barcelona. Apart from that, his performance at Barcelona has been very good so far, but what's the point of keeping good players if the club is in a period of financial difficulties?

Barcelona made the right move if they rejected the offer of a higher salary and it would be better for them to start thinking about selling De Jong and as a big team they cannot continue to depend on their key players if the club is still having difficulties. I mean if De Jong wants to stay and can cut his salary that would be much better, however I see his performance this season is not as good as the previous season. But if the decision to leave was taken by De Jong himself, that would be even better and Barcelona would have to be firm with their players.

This is not about money, but De Jong with his determination in choosing Barcelona, his interest in playing as a midfielder because De Jong knows very well that La Liga is a place where reliable midfielders are created here, that is why De Jong chose Barcelona with the style of play he has. De Jong wants De Jong to be at Barcelona, so there is no concern regarding the salary that De Jong receives while at Barcelona because management still wants his services to be loyal to Barcelona and his role is still crucial and key in the midfielder sector.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 14, 2024, 03:36:23 AM

Barcelona have very valuable players indeed but they wouldn't and shouldn't sell some specific players thinking about their future. Players like Gavi, Pedri should always be kept in the squad for example. This kind of players are Barcelona's future now. Barcelona's most recent contract with them must be already showing that they don't intend to part ways with them anytime.

This team might just make use of some improvements in the defense line. Because they have been horrible this season as they have conceded too many goals compared to the previous season. A team like Barcelona deserve the best players for every position.

In my opinion. Barcelona's current downturn is not the players' fault, but rather Xavi's fault for not being able to coach a team as big as Barcelona. Xavi is none other than the Spanish version of Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney. Good players but bad managers. Completely beyond his depth and capabilities.

Even though they have Pedri, Frenkie, Lewa, the best strikers, Araujo and Kounde the best defenders, and Mats the best goalkeeper. And now Xavi blames the players and keeps saying injuries and teenagers. All the players I mentioned above are the best. Just look now at Real Madrid without the main goalkeeper and all the CB players. It doesn't even have a main striker. Playing several games without a single CB, they had several injuries and two months without Vini, Cama, Carvajal and others, now Jude is injured, but Real Madrid can get through it because they have a genius coach. So, Barcelona can bounce back next season after Xavi steps down from Barcelona and Barcelona brings in a new coach.

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Girona is really facing tight schedules this month because after they fight against Real Madrid then this week Girona will playing away at Bilbao home ground and i will see this match will be difficult match for Girona because on November last year Bilbao can able to makes Girona slipped because at that time they only playing draw and now after beated by Real Madrid last week Girona actually want to return to the winning ways but seems it won't be easy because Bilbao is categorized as dark horses team this season and their current performance is much better compared to last season

I have been discuss about this before because Bilbao was very strong at their home and during this season Bilbao can collect 9 wins at there and only lost once from Real Madrid so Girona is really gets decent opponent this time and i think Bilbao potentially can makes Girona gets in trouble and currently Girona has 5 difference points below to Real Madrid and if they want to keep up Real Madrid for race title i think win result is mandatory because if they lost or draw then Girona target to taking over first place from Real Madrid will be so difficult but after seeing Bilbao home matches statistics i think Bilbao possibly can being an the winner of this match

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on February 13, 2024, 05:39:54 PM

I can't really understand the behavior of Barcelona with their player, Frenkie de Jong. We all know Barcelona is not in a good situation and buying any new player is impossible for them. Also, Frenkie de Jong was recently one of the best players in this team but they don't respect him enough. Barcelona even tried to sell De Jong to Manchester United but his performance made them keep this player. Now he is sad because Barcelona is not willing to extend his offer to pay him more salary and that's why he could leave.

After avoiding the sale to Manchester United, the club should make him feel valued. Instead, they're placing him in a terrible salary situation, which is unfair. If the reports are genuine and he's one of the top earners, the club may be reticent to raise his wage during financial crisis.

I think De Jong's willingness to compromise, perhaps by reducing his wage expectations, shows character and loyalty to the organization. I feel sorry for him. Its hard to feel unappreciated after giving your all on the pitch. Barcelona must improve how they treat its stars. Not just money, but respect and recognition.

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Quote from: ThemePen on February 13, 2024, 09:34:22 PM

In my point of view this is not good that Barcelona cares more about money than their players loyalty and talent. They let go of Lionel Messi who is one of the best football players ever just because of his salary Undecided

. This shows that they don't appreciate what he did for the team and how valuable he was on and off the field just because of money. It's true that Sergi Roberto has a lower salary and brings experience to the team but that doesn't make it right to treat Messi like they did.

In modern football, money really determines the level of success of a club because currently it is very difficult to find talented and mature players if the club doesn't have money. Although we do not ignore young players from the club academy, young players have to adapt and experience is also an obstacle for them to adapt quickly. If Barcelona is unable to improve the club's financial capabilities for the better, then they will have difficulty competing in local competitions and the Champions League.

This concern needs to be considered by club management because if their income continues to decline, the quality of the club will be much more difficult to develop. Now they only have a few senior players who have experience and the young players they have are not yet ready to face the pressure in crucial matches.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on February 14, 2024, 03:36:23 AM

Barcelona have very valuable players indeed but they wouldn't and shouldn't sell some specific players thinking about their future. Players like Gavi, Pedri should always be kept in the squad for example. This kind of players are Barcelona's future now. Barcelona's most recent contract with them must be already showing that they don't intend to part ways with them anytime.

This team might just make use of some improvements in the defense line. Because they have been horrible this season as they have conceded too many goals compared to the previous season. A team like Barcelona deserve the best players for every position.

Yes, Barcelona really deserves to get great players and keep the good players they have. The only problem is that we all know that this club is still struggling for several seasons with problems that have not been resolved until now, namely financial problems. So Barcelona's biggest obstacle is probably this. So this club will still sell several players to ease the financial problems they have. But I think the two players you mentioned will continue to stay at this club. Because yes, it would have a very bad impact on this club if it lost these two important players. Because Barcelona still really needs him.

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In my opinion, Barcelona's reign of football is slowly coming to an end. The fact that Barcelona could not win their home match is a big proof of that. As a Barcelona fan I feel a lot of shame for the bad streak of Barcelona players. If Barcelona continue to lose their consistency like this, it won't take long for Barcelona to join the ranks of weaker clubs. Now Barcelona should acquire new players for next season. So that Barcelona can once again be at the top of La Liga.

Consistency is the top priority for Xavi Hernandez this period because mere watching the performance and stats of Barcelona, it's not encourageble to watch their matches. They can't move to the top because they're showing zero signs of transforming to a formidable team. Barcelona dropped heavily in performance, they have no solid ground of bouncing back to triumphant victory this season, definitely weigh out of line. Barcelona changes in elite performance, they lack the imperative qualities to hold unto because the players are out of line.

If you look at their statistics in the last decade, they show a decline, I don't even see them as they used to be when they were victorious, at that time they still had Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and others. I think one of the things that makes them like this is because they are not ready when their mainstay players leave the team one by one, or in the sense that their regeneration process is not going well.
Another problem is the financial problems they are experiencing at the moment, it is very pronounced for their decline. That problem makes them unable to move more freely and that they cannot bring in new, fresher players to help or fill their weaknesses.

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Barcelona have very valuable players indeed but they wouldn't and shouldn't sell some specific players thinking about their future. Players like Gavi, Pedri should always be kept in the squad for example. This kind of players are Barcelona's future now. Barcelona's most recent contract with them must be already showing that they don't intend to part ways with them anytime.

This team might just make use of some improvements in the defense line. Because they have been horrible this season as they have conceded too many goals compared to the previous season. A team like Barcelona deserve the best players for every position.

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Quote from: Hvdv on February 13, 2024, 07:36:34 PM

Barcelona can send any player from the team when it comes to money. The biggest example of this is Lionel Messi. They sent a player like him off the team because of salary. I'm sure Sergi Roberto's salary is very low and that's why he was accepted. Also, there is a need for such an experienced player in the team. I understand they want to extend the contract.

In my point of view this is not good that Barcelona cares more about money than their players loyalty and talent. They let go of Lionel Messi who is one of the best football players ever just because of his salary Undecided

. This shows that they don't appreciate what he did for the team and how valuable he was on and off the field just because of money. It's true that Sergi Roberto has a lower salary and brings experience to the team but that doesn't make it right to treat Messi like they did.

But we can't look at it that way, the manager must want to make their club have stable finances and or not have a bigger risk even though basically the person has merit and ability, but if you can't afford to pay him then it's very difficult to say to selfishly keep him and risk the integrity of the club.

For sure money needs to be managed well for the health of the team and everyone involved gets a salary, I think from a businessman's point of view it's reasonable in financial management, maybe if the deal goes through messi can accept a smaller salary for the health of the team must be retained in my opinion.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on February 13, 2024, 05:39:54 PM

I can't really understand the behavior of Barcelona with their player, Frenkie de Jong. We all know Barcelona is not in a good situation and buying any new player is impossible for them. Also, Frenkie de Jong was recently one of the best players in this team but they don't respect him enough. Barcelona even tried to sell De Jong to Manchester United but his performance made them keep this player. Now he is sad because Barcelona is not willing to extend his offer to pay him more salary and that's why he could leave.

Isn't De Jong staying at Barcelona because of the high salary? and if I'm not mistaken he gets the second biggest salary as a football player after Mbappe from PSG. I don't think any player will want to leave as long as the club can still pay very high salaries and that's why De Jong is so comfortable at Barcelona. Apart from that, his performance at Barcelona has been very good so far, but what's the point of keeping good players if the club is in a period of financial difficulties?

Barcelona made the right move if they rejected the offer of a higher salary and it would be better for them to start thinking about selling De Jong and as a big team they cannot continue to depend on their key players if the club is still having difficulties. I mean if De Jong wants to stay and can cut his salary that would be much better, however I see his performance this season is not as good as the previous season. But if the decision to leave was taken by De Jong himself, that would be even better and Barcelona would have to be firm with their players.

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