La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 - page 4587.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on September 09, 2019, 03:36:09 PM

They have done it before on a budget limited squad under Simeone, why not now after spending?

Hopefully, Simeone will be able to handle the high expectations around the team, otherwise, the players might feel like they can win a game before even playing it, and that usually not goes the way you want it to go (as a Real Madrid fan, i know this lol).

Atletico Madrid or Diego Simeone will never get cocky ahead, from my perspective the team treats every match with the same preparation, except there's something bigger to play for.

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Welcome to the Club Grin

It's sad thou that you missed that glorious period of rivalry in terms of unbelievable stats, record breakings, Spectacularly consistent non-stop performances from season to season between Messi and Ronaldo.

Didn't miss the glorious period per se, ok well I did in regards to watching the matches but I was always keeping myself upto date with the stats and never did missed Monday Night football via Supersport were I got the summary of all the matches played during the weekend. No doubt those two are the greatest of all time. I still keep myself updated with C. Ronaldo's stat irrespective of the league he's playing in although i might not watch all the matches due to lack of free time.

Thanks for welcoming me, there's the myth Ronaldo made La Liga what it's today in regards to the TV rating. A big part of me agree to this, no disrespect to Messi though.

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@logfiles i forgot you were a RM fan. Hey, some recent news for us: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/09/12/5d7a24c4268e3e44488b45cc.html

Another player injured. this is getting ridiculous now. FFS! We spent over 300M in the last transfer window and we're gonna end up using the youngsters from the acadamy Lips sealed

Anyways...Guys, any early comments about the Mallorca vs Bilbao tomorrow? I'm tempted to go for a home win @3.73, even though Bilbao are 2nd in the league table.

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Hazard is the only reason for my recent interest in the league and it's just to watch him perform. I'll be routing for Real Madrid so I wish all their fans the best although it'll be a tough battle like I said earlier, Barcelona have invested so much to not win the league. Wish Real Madrid the best though for Hazard. #HalaMadrid

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It's sad thou that you missed that glorious period of rivalry in terms of unbelievable stats, record breakings, Spectacularly consistent non-stop performances from season to season between Messi and Ronaldo. Especially beginning from 2009. Ronaldinho had Just left Barcelona and Messi was now the fan favourite. Real Madrid was just getting a new start after a galactico star-studded Era had come to an end.

As a long term Real Madrid fan, i must say i was lucky to witness all the history making during that period and i don't know whether i will see anything of that sort again.

@logfiles I started watching Real Madrid games because of Ronaldo, and he indeed took La Liga by storm from 2009 - 2018. I’m not expecting Hazard to fire this season as he’s gained lots of extra weight, plus his recent injuries will effect his performances. Atletico Madrid are the real contenders for the title, Real Madrid may finish second or third as I don’t believe they can win the league with their current squad.

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/eden-hazard-was-7kg-overweight-18797506

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 11, 2019, 10:46:38 AM

Hopefully, Simeone will be able to handle the high expectations around the team, otherwise, the players might feel like they can win a game before even playing it, and that usually not goes the way you want it to go (as a Real Madrid fan, i know this lol).

Don't worry, you're not alone. Barca fans probably did it too last year and unfortunately, their team lost to Liverpool.

Overconfident always cost you.

Quote from: logfiles on September 11, 2019, 05:21:45 PM

It's sad thou that you missed that glorious period of rivalry in terms of unbelievable stats, record breakings, Spectacularly consistent non-stop performances from season to season between Messi and Ronaldo. Especially beginning from 2009. Ronaldinho had Just left Barcelona and Messi was now the fan favourite. Real Madrid was just getting a new start after a galactico star-studded Era had come to an end.

La Liga is ranked first in Europe iirc. Maybe because their rivalry is so good and there's no such thing on other leagues. I hope there will be another rivalry like this man. Kinda feels like watching Tsubasa in real life.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 11, 2019, 07:11:54 AM

Hazard is the only reason for my recent interest in the league and it's just to watch him perform. I'll be routing for Real Madrid so I wish all their fans the best although it'll be a tough battle like I said earlier, Barcelona have invested so much to not win the league. Wish Real Madrid the best though for Hazard. #HalaMadrid

Welcome to the Club Grin

It's sad thou that you missed that glorious period of rivalry in terms of unbelievable stats, record breakings, Spectacularly consistent non-stop performances from season to season between Messi and Ronaldo. Especially beginning from 2009. Ronaldinho had Just left Barcelona and Messi was now the fan favourite. Real Madrid was just getting a new start after a galactico star-studded Era had come to an end.

As a long term Real Madrid fan, i must say i was lucky to witness all the history making during that period and i don't know whether i will see anything of that sort again.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 11, 2019, 10:46:38 AM

So, recent news from La Liga: Valencia's manager (Marcelino) has been sacked^[1]. Like the article says, Marcelino returned Valencia to its glory days, I mean, they beat Barcelona last year in the league cup final! I feel really bad for the fans, they don't deserve this kind of shitty board (Peter Lim, the owner, should be the one to get the sack).

Damn, just when I thought Valencia had what it takes to win at the Camp Nou with a Barcelona without Messi^[2], i was looking forward to adding them to a parlay but now i don't know. Current odds for Valencia to win are around 11/2 right now, i'm pretty sure the odds before the news were 9/2 or something :/

1. https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2019/09/11/5d78fbc122601de4798b4628.html
2. https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2019/09/11/5d78cb59e2704e2ba88b4627.html

Wow, it's big surprise for me, because I didn't knew about this drama behind the doors. Marcelino is great manager, Valencia had very solid last season. And now they hired manager without much experience just few days before match with Barca and start of Champions league campaign. It doesn't sounds good for Valencia and their fans.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on September 09, 2019, 03:36:09 PM

They have done it before on a budget limited squad under Simeone, why not now after spending?

Hopefully, Simeone will be able to handle the high expectations around the team, otherwise, the players might feel like they can win a game before even playing it, and that usually not goes the way you want it to go (as a Real Madrid fan, i know this lol).

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 11, 2019, 07:11:54 AM

I'll be routing for Real Madrid so I wish all their fans the best although it'll be a tough battle like I said earlier, Barcelona have invested so much to not win the league. Wish Real Madrid the best though for Hazard. #HalaMadrid

Thanks man Wink

So, recent news from La Liga: Valencia's manager (Marcelino) has been sacked^[1]. Like the article says, Marcelino returned Valencia to its glory days, I mean, they beat Barcelona last year in the league cup final! I feel really bad for the fans, they don't deserve this kind of shitty board (Peter Lim, the owner, should be the one to get the sack).

Damn, just when I thought Valencia had what it takes to win at the Camp Nou with a Barcelona without Messi^[2], i was looking forward to adding them to a parlay but now i don't know. Current odds for Valencia to win are around 11/2 right now, i'm pretty sure the odds before the news were 9/2 or something :/

1. https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2019/09/11/5d78fbc122601de4798b4628.html
2. https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2019/09/11/5d78cb59e2704e2ba88b4627.html

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 09, 2019, 10:48:10 AM

Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 09, 2019, 07:42:58 AM

Real Madrid weren't that convincing last season and their team haven't improved that much to match that of Barcelona irrespective of them buying hazard (although he's good, he doesn't have much goals in him. Mostly a play maker).

We were (and still are) in the rebuilding phase after Ronaldo's departure, so it's gonna take some time before the team finds their style.

+1 for your detailed explanation. I stopped giving La Liga attention after Samuel Eto'o/Ronaldinho era ended, thought Ronaldo will make me fall in love with the league again but that wasn't the case. Even Messi impressive stats wasn't attractive to me as most of the league matches are just boring unlike the premier league. Most times I only watch El Clásico just to watch Ronaldo display.

Hazard is the only reason for my recent interest in the league and it's just to watch him perform. I'll be routing for Real Madrid so I wish all their fans the best although it'll be a tough battle like I said earlier, Barcelona have invested so much to not win the league. Wish Real Madrid the best though for Hazard. #HalaMadrid

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Nah, I don't think it's about form, it's about Messi, once he's back on the pitch, they'll go back to the old Barca we all know. Without Messi, this team in form or out of form is average mainly because Valverde is a mediocre manager.

This is an underlying problem that the club management has to tackle. A club that has spent the amount of money Barcelona has on sign-ins over the past two or three seasons shouldn't be dependent on just one player (no matter how great that player is).
There are quality players, but not enough quality in the technical crew to manage them.

I agree with you. Why does a team as big as Barcelona that has a lot of funds still depend on one person? Isn't there still 10 people in the team if there isn't one of these players. What is the point of buying expensive and great players if you still hope for Messi.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on September 09, 2019, 03:36:09 PM

They have done it before on a budget limited squad under Simeone, why not now after spending?

Yeah, they should be able to do it as long as they're consistent.

Bilbao also has a good run recently. I'd love to see this for the rest of the season, must be a good season if the competition keeps going on like this.

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 09, 2019, 10:48:10 AM

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You pretty much nailed it @Tomahawk9

Atletico Madrid have everything to challenge for the title and champions league. It doesn't matter whether Barcelona and Real Madrid will be at their best or not. The thing is you can't write off ATM especially this season when they finally decided to spend losts of money, something they usually don't do.

They have done it before on a budget limited squad under Simeone, why not now after spending?

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Quote from: tomahawk9 on September 09, 2019, 10:48:10 AM

Nah, I don't think it's about form, it's about Messi, once he's back on the pitch, they'll go back to the old Barca we all know. Without Messi, this team in form or out of form is average mainly because Valverde is a mediocre manager.

This is an underlying problem that the club management has to tackle. A club that has spent the amount of money Barcelona has on sign-ins over the past two or three seasons shouldn't be dependent on just one player (no matter how great that player is).
There are quality players, but not enough quality in the technical crew to manage them.

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Atletico have never been a one man team, not even during Aguero or Diego Forlan's era. They'll competitive to their own capacity all through the season. Expecting them to win the league just this early is asking too much of them.

And for Valverde, It's just the Barca Board totally at fault, I knew he's never going to be great coach for Barcelona, A coach that has a mentality of finishing in the top 4 or 6 position, Unfortunately all his thinking and approach is still within that range.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on September 09, 2019, 07:42:58 AM

Does Atletico Madrid have the team to compete for the title, can they be consistent?

I can answer this. Yes, Atletico does have a squad to compete not just for the league title but also the league cup and Champions League. IMO they have one of the best squads in Europe. And also, yes, they can be consistent, they're not like Barcelona or RM where depend completely on one single player to lead them, they're more about teamwork.

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When last did Atletico compete head to head with the top two clubs Barcelona and Real Madrid for the title?

Last year, they finished 2nd just 7 pts behind Barca. Also, in 2016, they finished 3rd and just 3pts behind Barcelona. Overall, they've been in the top 3/top 2 over the last few seasons (and they didn't have the squad they have today which like I said it's pretty strong).

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Barcelona haven't found their form yet

Nah, I don't think it's about form, it's about Messi, once he's back on the pitch, they'll go back to the old Barca we all know. Without Messi, this team in form or out of form is average mainly because Valverde is a mediocre manager.

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Real Madrid weren't that convincing last season and their team haven't improved that much to match that of Barcelona irrespective of them buying hazard (although he's good, he doesn't have much goals in him. Mostly a play maker).

We were (and still are) in the rebuilding phase after Ronaldo's departure, so it's gonna take some time before the team finds their style.

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Barcelona are 8th position on the table, but you should know it's only 5 points behind 1st placed Atletico and 3 points behind 2nd place Athletic Bilbao, all these could be easily covered in 2 and 1 game(s) respectively, so for now, nothing has actually been guaranteed.

Does Atletico Madrid have the team to compete for the title, can they be consistent? When last did Atletico compete head to head with the top two clubs Barcelona and Real Madrid for the title? The La Liga season is still very fresh and also Barcelona haven't found their form yet, they did invest far too much into the team this season to lose.

Real Madrid weren't that convincing last season and their team haven't improved that much to match that of Barcelona irrespective of them buying hazard (although he's good, he doesn't have much goals in him. Mostly a play maker). The season will end in this manner Barcelona, Atletico then Real Madrid that's my prediction.

After Griezmann left, I believe that it is very difficult for Atletico to win the title.
I don't think they would be consistent till the end of the season. They are competitive (especially Joao Felix is a new star) but I believe that they don't have the leader who can lead them to victories when they have bad games.

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Quote from: Harkorede on September 09, 2019, 01:58:52 AM

Barcelona are 8th position on the table, but you should know it's only 5 points behind 1st placed Atletico and 3 points behind 2nd place Athletic Bilbao, all these could be easily covered in 2 and 1 game(s) respectively, so for now, nothing has actually been guaranteed.

Does Atletico Madrid have the team to compete for the title, can they be consistent? When last did Atletico compete head to head with the top two clubs Barcelona and Real Madrid for the title? The La Liga season is still very fresh and also Barcelona haven't found their form yet, they did invest far too much into the team this season to lose.

Real Madrid weren't that convincing last season and their team haven't improved that much to match that of Barcelona irrespective of them buying hazard (although he's good, he doesn't have much goals in him. Mostly a play maker). The season will end in this manner Barcelona, Atletico then Real Madrid that's my prediction.

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Quote from: joniboini on September 09, 2019, 02:01:56 AM

Quote from: Harkorede on September 09, 2019, 01:58:52 AM

Barcelona are 8th position on the table, but you should know it's only 5 points behind 1st placed Atletico and 3 points behind 2nd place Athletic Bilbao, all these could be easily covered in 2 and 1 game(s) respectively, so for now, nothing has actually been guaranteed.

Yes, unless in 1 or 2 games they keep losing and the others keep on winning. See what happens to Liverpool last year. Even if the differences in just one match, it decided how they end the season.

Five points must be considered a massive gap if anybody wants to win the title. Feeling confident because the difference is only '5' will cost them if they're not careful.

5 points will never be a massive gap in any league after just 3 games played If it's an underdog topping the table. I'm sure Barcelona and Barcelona will be aware of the points gap, and won't take it for granted all I was saying is that it's way too early for the title to be decided just based on those points gap.

And you should also know Liverpool led with about 7 points if not more after 18 games has been played, yet still didn't win the league.

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Quote from: Harkorede on September 09, 2019, 01:58:52 AM

Barcelona are 8th position on the table, but you should know it's only 5 points behind 1st placed Atletico and 3 points behind 2nd place Athletic Bilbao, all these could be easily covered in 2 and 1 game(s) respectively, so for now, nothing has actually been guaranteed.

Yes, unless in 1 or 2 games they keep losing and the others keep on winning. See what happens to Liverpool last year. Even if the differences in just one match, it decided how they end the season.

Five points must be considered a massive gap if anybody wants to win the title. Feeling confident because the difference is only '5' will cost them if they're not careful.

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Quote from: logfiles on September 06, 2019, 08:05:43 AM

They have already taken advantage of Barcelona's and Real Madrid's slip ups and all they have to do it maintain the momentum.

Yup. Barca and Madrid are out of their best form now. This season is probably one of the best chance for another team to win the league.

The club that utilizes the situation is Atletico Madrid. They casually lead while the Spanish league with 9 points. Real Madrid and Barcelona did not even make it into the top 4.
Well we all understand this is only temporary, but if this is the situation, surely Atletico Madrid or other clubs will get the title this season.

If any other team different from Barcelona or Real Madrid will win the title, it's going to be Atletico Madrid but it's going to be dependent on not just Atletico Madrid playing incredibly well all season, Real Madrid and Barcelona will have to be terrible all season too.

Barcelona are 8th position on the table, but you should know it's only 5 points behind 1st placed Atletico and 3 points behind 2nd place Athletic Bilbao, all these could be easily covered in 2 and 1 game(s) respectively, so for now, nothing has actually been guaranteed.

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