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Topic: Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC (LabRatMining) Official Announcement - page 124. (Read 452224 times)

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One could go so far to say that it would be a complete and total conflict of interest.

This is why I'm not owning any hardware ever again... I've spoken to my lawyer and we both agree I can't compete with the company.  In this case it's resulting in a contribution to the company so I see this particular case to be in the company's interest rather than against it.

Oh good, I can sleep tonight.

Enjoy your rest as well!
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Keep up the good work, can't wait for the next big announcement.

Thank you, and there's one coming up real soon.  For obvious reasons I'm not giving a date.  Wink

Heh - it seems like most of the pitchforks are turned back to their agrarian purpose......

Thanks Zach - looking forward to the Next Big Thing
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I can only be on for a few more minutes though.  My entire time in Miami I may have slept 10-14 hours.  Still haven't recovered from this due to BarGraphics' visit.
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One could go so far to say that it would be a complete and total conflict of interest.

This is why I'm not owning any hardware ever again... I've spoken to my lawyer and we both agree I can't compete with the company.  In this case it's resulting in a contribution to the company so I see this particular case to be in the company's interest rather than against it.
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It's pretty awesome seeing you here with all this rapid-fire feedback LR.  Thanks for spending your own BTC to help advance the company!

I have no problem with that kind of thing, since, knowing you, you'd jump on an opportunity when it presented itself - for the good of all.  Besides, it's much more than by-the-book logic that is getting us to where we'll be this year -- it's personality and the ability to effectively make connections!

I really want to ask more about the exchange, but I'll do my best to hold back.  Whatever it is.. it will be worth the wait.

One question I do have:  once the ball is rolling, do you think that being a LRM bondholder might possibly allow some of us to piggyback on hardware deals for personal use? (maybe a very limited quantity, or even some old gear you are dumping).

Made a lot of great connections in Miami.

Being an LRM bondholder will make me want to help you out more, but limited quantity purchases are actually worse than large ones.  Getting ahold of a large amount of gear isn't a problem and more funds means lower prices.  Might be dumping some old BFL gear once the new BFL gear comes in though.
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"As a fix for this bondholders who refuse to payback funds will retain ownership of their bonds forcefully until the dividends have covered their overpayment."

Um, there is already such a system in place. Its called SELLING BONDS IN A FORUM THREAD.



grnbrg and I verify all transactions before bonds change hands and can turn down a sale.

You missed my point. What I'm saying is that by expecting people to buy/sell bonds on an Internet forum, you have effectively instituted a system of forcing people to continue to own the bonds they have. This is just how it is and how it has been since November, 2013. You've said that it will change soon, hopefully you make good on that.

I'm glad to hear that the hardware has not been mining for you personally for more than two weeks. Again, I can't stress enough how little sense it makes for you to personally own any mining hardware at this point. One could go so far to say that it would be a complete and total conflict of interest.
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"As a fix for this bondholders who refuse to payback funds will retain ownership of their bonds forcefully until the dividends have covered their overpayment."

Um, there is already such a system in place. Its called SELLING BONDS IN A FORUM THREAD.

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"The Dec/Jan hardware is in hand, I was just letting it mine to pay itself off part way as it came from my pocket  Wink but it's about time to start moving it over to LRM."

My jaw dropped when I read this. How long has it been mining for you personally? This is going to be another case where I ask for clarification and you ignore me. But for the love of dog, please tell me you haven't been keeping the proceeds from this hardware for more than two weeks. There is no appropriate justification for this if its true. "it came from my pocket" is not a credible explanation after you've sold thousands of BTC worth of bonds to buy hardware. If you are jumbling your personal mining endeavors with LRM mining, then please, please buy my bonds back now so I can get off of the crazy train.

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And just so that it is a matter of public record, I was overpaid. It is substantially less than this coming Saturday's dividend payment, and as LR mentions above, the difference will be subtracted from my payment. Problem solved.


grnbrg and I verify all transactions before bonds change hands and can turn down a sale.

The hardware has been in hand for about a week as that's all it took to pay it off (I got it cheap) and there's still another TH coming in.  This will be added to LRM after this weeks div payment.  I just didn't want to use company funds on it.  Be glad I'm adding it when I could just as well keep it theoretically.

It's pretty awesome seeing you here with all this rapid-fire feedback LR.  Thanks for spending your own BTC to help advance the company!

I have no problem with that kind of thing, since, knowing you, you'd jump on an opportunity when it presented itself - for the good of all.  Besides, it's much more than by-the-book logic that is getting us to where we'll be this year -- it's personality and the ability to effectively make connections!

I really want to ask more about the exchange, but I'll do my best to hold back.  Whatever it is.. it will be worth the wait.

One question I do have:  once the ball is rolling, do you think that being a LRM bondholder might possibly allow some of us to piggyback on hardware deals for personal use? (maybe a very limited quantity, or even some old gear you are dumping).
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Keep up the good work, can't wait for the next big announcement.

Thank you, and there's one coming up real soon.  For obvious reasons I'm not giving a date.  Wink

Two weeks™?  lol


grnbrg.
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Keep up the good work, can't wait for the next big announcement.

Thank you, and there's one coming up real soon.  For obvious reasons I'm not giving a date.  Wink
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I would like to applaud both labrat and grnbrg for their handling of the situation (and hard work in general). Although it took a couple of days to arrive, the plan seems to be a reasonable one.

It would be interesting to see how many of those who were overpaid actually return the BTC. I'm not asking you guys to take time to compile such a list, just wondering aloud about people's honesty and reaction to being given, in some cases, the opportunity to take back at least as many BTC as they put into this venture.

The "I was just letting it mine to pay itself off part way as it came from my pocket" bit seems a odd, but assuming that the funds to purchase the hardware came exclusively from LR's pocket and he is now turning it over to the company I don't see an issue. LR has so far been pretty honest about how things are run, if a bit mute, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Keep up the good work, can't wait for the next big announcement.

(For the sake of full disclosure, I hold bond, was overpaid and returned the excess.)

Edit: Beat me to the punch LR  Wink
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"As a fix for this bondholders who refuse to payback funds will retain ownership of their bonds forcefully until the dividends have covered their overpayment."

Um, there is already such a system in place. Its called SELLING BONDS IN A FORUM THREAD.

--

"The Dec/Jan hardware is in hand, I was just letting it mine to pay itself off part way as it came from my pocket  Wink but it's about time to start moving it over to LRM."

My jaw dropped when I read this. How long has it been mining for you personally? This is going to be another case where I ask for clarification and you ignore me. But for the love of dog, please tell me you haven't been keeping the proceeds from this hardware for more than two weeks. There is no appropriate justification for this if its true. "it came from my pocket" is not a credible explanation after you've sold thousands of BTC worth of bonds to buy hardware. If you are jumbling your personal mining endeavors with LRM mining, then please, please buy my bonds back now so I can get off of the crazy train.

--

And just so that it is a matter of public record, I was overpaid. It is substantially less than this coming Saturday's dividend payment, and as LR mentions above, the difference will be subtracted from my payment. Problem solved.


grnbrg and I verify all transactions before bonds change hands and can turn down a sale.

The hardware has been in hand for about a week as that's all it took to pay it off (I got it cheap) and there's still another TH coming in.  This will be added to LRM after this weeks div payment.  I just didn't want to use company funds on it.  Be glad I'm adding it when I could just as well keep it theoretically.
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"As a fix for this bondholders who refuse to payback funds will retain ownership of their bonds forcefully until the dividends have covered their overpayment."

Um, there is already such a system in place. Its called SELLING BONDS IN A FORUM THREAD.

--

"The Dec/Jan hardware is in hand, I was just letting it mine to pay itself off part way as it came from my pocket  Wink but it's about time to start moving it over to LRM."

My jaw dropped when I read this. How long has it been mining for you personally? This is going to be another case where I ask for clarification and you ignore me. But for the love of dog, please tell me you haven't been keeping the proceeds from this hardware for more than two weeks. There is no appropriate justification for this if its true. "it came from my pocket" is not a credible explanation after you've sold thousands of BTC worth of bonds to buy hardware. If you are jumbling your personal mining endeavors with LRM mining, then please, please buy my bonds back now so I can get off of the crazy train.

--

And just so that it is a matter of public record, I was overpaid. It is substantially less than this coming Saturday's dividend payment, and as LR mentions above, the difference will be subtracted from my payment. Problem solved.
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Can you give us projections for hashrate per bond over the next few months. 

58792 currently outstanding bonds. With an expected hashrate of:

25-30TH in the next week or so (318.915-382.703 MH/s per bond)
50-55TH in the next month (637.842-701.626 MH/s per bond)
205-215TH beginning of March (some of this could get sent a little early  Grin) (2.615-2.743 GH/s per bond)

These are estimates and are in no way binding if off by a small amount.  Certain factors could change these projections.


Can you also tell us what plans you have for an exchange?

I can't share this yet, but I have not forgotten about this.  It's being worked on and hopefully a solution can be worked out in the near future.
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AND PLEASE DONT LYNCH GRNBRG he's very helpful and only messed up once by letting the cat out of the bag a little early haha.

Oi!  I did not!

I only mentioned that there was a cat, and the bag was going to be opened soon.  Cheesy  Smiley



grnbrg.

This is true
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AND PLEASE DONT LYNCH GRNBRG he's very helpful and only messed up once by letting the cat out of the bag a little early haha.

Oi!  I did not!

I only mentioned that there was a cat, and the bag was going to be opened soon.  Cheesy  Smiley



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Can you give us projections for hashrate per bond over the next few months. 

Can you also tell us what plans you have for an exchange?

keep up the good work Smiley

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AND PLEASE DONT LYNCH GRNBRG he's very helpful and only messed up once by letting the cat out of the bag a little early haha.
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Back on Dec. 21st, Labrat posted the following estimates:
    DEC/JAN (25+TH)
    JAN/FEB (50+TH)
    FEB/MAR (150-250TH)
    MAR+ (? PH ?)

(Now, to be totally fair, he didn't specify which year these estimates were for...  but... Smiley)

Now, some members are wondering just how realistic those estimates were.  (And are giving LR some grief in the process.)  Adding to the uncertainty is the online difficulty/hashrate data graph not being updated in months.  Bail, hold, or double-down...  The answer isn't clear given the limited info most of us have access to at the moment and uncertainty is NOT an investors friend.

To be clear on my own view...  I have no reason to doubt the good intentions of Labrat and grnbrg.  But all the good intentions in the world don't help us stay ahead of an exponential difficulty curve.  I hope that the rumored "good news" gets us well ahead of the curve.

After making the announcement tonight I read back to this and wanted to address.  The Dec/Jan hardware is in hand, I was just letting it mine to pay itself off part way as it came from my pocket  Wink but it's about time to start moving it over to LRM.  Better Nate than Lever right, I believe it's still January.  The Jan/Feb bump is Monarchs which were some of the first ordered and should be delivered as soon as they're ready.  I have a feeling they'll be ready in two more weeks.  The Feb/Mar hardware is pretty well confirmed to be the first half of March and will put LRMs total hashrate toward the higher end of that number at ~210TH.  The Mar+ timeframe is still uncertain, but I can see us hitting 1 PH very easily in 2014, the exact amount is going to be played by ear.
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Hello all,

as BarGraphics said, I've been extremely busy over the past couple weeks.  I'm glad that I have the time to release a formal update with more information.

I would like to start off by clarifying the dividend mixup.  This mixup is unrelated to any circumstances going on at this moment other than the fact that I was out of town at the conference.  I decided to give the individual who screwed up dividends months back on BitFunder a second chance.  She handled the payout properly but made a simple mistake on creating the spreadsheet.  After freaking out for a few moments while over 1000 miles away from the situation at hand I began working on a way to resolve the situation as fairly as possible.  I called grnbrg to get an investors point of view and ensure I was taking the right path.  I was originally going to flat out eat the cost of paying the extra to those underpaid, but grnbrg brought up a very valid point.  Besides the fact of those who were paid what they should have been being at a disadvantage to those who were overpaid, LRM would then have less funds to reinvest.  This turned to the decision to require overpaid funds to be returned.  As Bitcoin was designed, there are no chargebacks so each individual has the right to refuse.  As a fix for this bondholders who refuse to payback funds will retain ownership of their bonds forcefully until the dividends have covered their overpayment.  They will not be able to transfer their bonds at all.  I will gladly thank all of you who have returned funds.  I have been sending out emails to those of you who were overpaid by a significant amount and to verify the emails are truthful and I am the ones sending them, you will receive a link to this post.  For all of you who see this and wish to actively seek repayment, please feel free to email me at [email protected] and your overpayment amount will be sent to you.  To avoid mass emails, If you received 2 dividend payments, you were paid the CORRECT amount, please do not inquire.

The next hot topic I would like to cover is CoinSeed.  CoinSeed has a vast amount to offer LRM, with not a whole lot more work than I'm already doing for LRM, the location is just different.  Working with CoinSeed provides the benefits of piggybacking on deals to ensure the lowest cost possible for hardware at the shortest time frame possible.  In addition to this, CoinSeed provides a hosting location with some redundancy that is not cost effective on a smaller mine as well as a buildout team and solid infrastructure in an area with some of the lowest power costs in the world.  There are a few things that partnering with Merlin Kauffman is offering LRM that I can not share at this time, as is the case with any other company in the world.  Can't tell the public everything unfortunately until the time is right.  There are a few projects that are in the works that are far too exciting to pass up and WILL benefit each and every person who has invested with LabRatMining.

As for inviting BarGraphics up to visit the mine.  This was for a few business reasons that are also exciting, but the main intention was to validate LRM to the public as there is now a trusted witness to the mine(s) and also have some fun working on the hardware and enjoy the sub 20F temperatures.

I hope that this clears up some of the uncertainty that was left after the CoinSeed announcement.  It was released at a time that disallowed much interaction by the public which is unfortunate, but BarGraphics can rightfully verify that I'm not going anywhere.  The skeptics can put down the pitchforks and torches now and ask me questions they would like.  I believe I can make at least a few minutes every day to field some answers every day through next tues (2/4)

Thank you for your patience and I hope no one had a heart attack waiting for more information.
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Sorry guys,

Been taking up all of Lab Rats time since the Miami conference. After it was over I flew up to New Jersey to see the operation and of course take up more of his time Tongue hah. However I was able to help him straighten out some of the Bitfury Rigs so there should be a decent boost on Ghash.io

I'm at the airport now leaving him so I expect he will be available soon to address any concerns. He's working hard!

Thanks for the update Bargraphics, and thanks for helping increase Lab's warp drive output Smiley
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