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Topic: Laissez Faire City (a BFL connection(?), et al.) - page 2. (Read 6779 times)

newbie
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Note that the local times are the same, inferring that they're in the same time zone (western Europe), set their settings to simple reflect such, or there's a default setting I'm missing of which both didn't bother to set. Both last active only six minutes apart today.
It's a testament to the general quality of people posting here on Bitcointalk that you assume by default a new poster must be some kind of sockpuppet.

However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now, and assume good faith.

(If you were trying to crack a joke, well, best to do that in a separate post, and not in one where you are also trying to bring potentially serious accusations to light.)
legendary
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And the important thing to take away from all of this is that the US Government are the biggest criminals of all.  They run all of the other criminals, from the scammers who prey on naive libertarians, to the hackers who have been attacking Bitcoin for the last year, to your local petty thieves and drug dealers, to all of the hilariously inept "terrorists" who plotted attacks on US soil, to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and in Libya and in Syria and anywhere else that the interests of the criminals in charge of the US government can be furthered.

They are on these forums.  They have been watching Bitcoin for a long time.  They have the resources and the motivation to plan for the long-term, and to create and operate seemingly legitimate businesses in furtherance of their interests.  And any of you who naively believe that the government is your friend, or the "good guys", and that they are going to let you in on their little money-printing racket and maybe even use your plucky start-up currency to fund their black-ops, should have his head examined.
legendary
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There's something about that Laissez Faire City deal I'm missing, but can't put my finger on it.

To start with, you are missing this, the definitive history of the Laissez Faire City project, written nearly ten years ago:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021210112835/http://www.scamdog.com/freedom_projects/?view=laissez_faire_city

More from me later.

We look forward to reading more about you. Glad you met up with Dr.Steve.

I'm new to this forum. I am thrilled to be here. In a previous life, I lived at Laissez Faire City and had some involvement with the Digital Monetary Trust venture of Orin Grabbe.
Dr. Steve!

It's been a long time. Both newbies here, at almost the same time.

it must be a conspiracy!



Note that the local times are the same, inferring that they're in the same time zone (western Europe), set their settings to simple reflect such, or there's a default setting I'm missing of which both didn't bother to set. Both last active only six minutes apart today.

Tomorrow I will prove that an Amish guy named Pinkiert Piepous built Rassah's coffee table.  Grin

I wonder if the Dr. Steve mentioned here is the same as our Dr.Steve. (centered text is linked)


Or this one: http://www.offshorealert.com/WorkArea/threadeddisc/print_thread.aspx?id=60&g=posts&t=37064

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One, Fake dividend distribution.
Second, confirmation that Houston's identity was known and kept from founders by the insiders.
Three, the email list of founders was available to this guy.
Four, Sealand connection. Holmes and Davidson info is on this page
http://www.ezez.com/free/sealand/prop.htm

Five, ATM and stock was manipulated by Houston and Huge , along with Trustee to "submarine" Harry Gordon.
Six, strong hint that Dr. Steve was a Houston stooge all along.
Seven, Houston claimed connection with "Schultz" and Hunt. I guess he has some fixation on silver.
Seven, in the second email, confirmation of the book, Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand being used illegally and that this was the sole "business plan".
Eight, the info, very specific, about Mailvault being insecure.
legendary
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Selected quotes, with emphasis mine, gleaned from http://web.archive.org/web/20021210112835/http://www.scamdog.com/freedom_projects/?view=laissez_faire_city

I'm new to this forum. I am thrilled to be here. In a previous life, I lived at Laissez Faire City and had some involvement with the Digital Monetary Trust venture of Orin Grabbe.
Dr. Steve!

It's been a long time. Both newbies here, at almost the same time.

it must be a conspiracy!

Closing quote below, out of sequence.

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An important part of the Laissez Faire City experiment was the community it engendered. Many people from all corners of the globe met either in person or virtually through LFCity and its projects. There now exists a pseudo-anonymous network of these people. They are still working towards the same goals, albeit with a lower profile.
legendary
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There's something about that Laissez Faire City deal I'm missing, but can't put my finger on it.

To start with, you are missing this, the definitive history of the Laissez Faire City project, written nearly ten years ago:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021210112835/http://www.scamdog.com/freedom_projects/?view=laissez_faire_city

More from me later.

Thanks, Robert G. I'm reading it now.

Bruno H
Phinn Labs LLC
newbie
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There's something about that Laissez Faire City deal I'm missing, but can't put my finger on it.

To start with, you are missing this, the definitive history of the Laissez Faire City project, written nearly ten years ago:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021210112835/http://www.scamdog.com/freedom_projects/?view=laissez_faire_city

More from me later.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Bob Chapman lived in Costa Rica.

So, I read some of those links and I still don't get the story on LF City.  Did it ever actually exist?

No. The best I can explain it is that the original idea forked, and the computer geeks' camp recognized that money could be made in a somewhat cloaked fashion.

Fast forward to Bitcoin.

We are Bitcoin! We can do it better. Welcome to our new campsite, boys, and who among us brought the giant marshmallows?

~Bruno~
legendary
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Bob Chapman lived in Costa Rica.

So, I read some of those links and I still don't get the story on LF City.  Did it ever actually exist?
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
The follow books may offer up clues:

I don't think the authors of those books have any personal connections to the subjects of your current investigation (which has been outstanding).

As I was so close, too.

History of Laissez Faire City: http://www.liberalismo.org/bitacoras/7/2487/historia/laissez/faire/city/

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In 1994, a group of investors from various countries visited some regions of Latin America. It was on that trip that James Dale Davidson took notes on his laptop that would eventually constitute the famous The Sovereign Individual . During the trip, these capitalists recalled some idea that Ayn Rand had decades ago. The liberal author had wondered what would happen if a poor country for 50 years cede few dozen square miles to a group of investors. He quickly warmed to the idea and decided to get to work.      

    They founded the Laissez Faire City International Trust and a former diplomat appointed trustee Russian named Mikhail Larguine to coordinate efforts. At first, they threw the eye to a hundred square miles in Peru. During the summer of 1995, the Trust published an advertisement in The Economist and Newsweek reporting project. Several media outlets, mainly British, echoed the news, while the United States spent almost unnoticed. Thousands of people contacted the Trust and some paid the hundred dollars initially asked to become Founder. In March 1996, created the website Laissez Faire City (hereinafter LFCity).

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When these young people took the reins in 1997, his first goal was to develop software to ensure user privacy. They understood that it was of utmost importance to protect themselves from attacks by government agencies and any other thieves and snoopers.

    The first real fruit of this new approach was the MailVault, an email system based on advanced encryption techniques to ensure privacy of the messages. On this foundation, was to build a network of tools to enable future citizens to create their own businesses LFCity electronic banking with which to develop the city's economy.

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At the beginning of 2001 came into operation on Digital Monetary Trust (DMT) that began to develop the necessary tools for a digital currency. Mainly, the lodgment Asset Trust Accounts (ALTA) and Laissez-faire Electronic Stock Exchange (LESE).

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It was discovered that one of those involved in the scam of DC had participated for years in a silver fiddle with various U.S. states And I suspect that had something to do with disreputable people of Russia for some comments that made ​​me a beta tester of the Eastern countries.

    Years later, many of the participants are still in touch. At least, served to make friends, learn four little things and see the gross, Hayek was right that when he spoke of "the socialists of all parties". Freedom is practiced, not designed.

I am so glad that there's not a single parallel between Laissez Faire City and Bitcoin.
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
well...so much for that 1300 bucks

damn
legendary
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Shit! I just found this, but don't have time to read it, for a client of mine is due any minute. http://www.liberalismo.org/bitacoras/7/2487/historia/laissez/faire/city/

~Bruno~
legendary
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rippleFanatic
The follow books may offer up clues:

I don't think the authors of those books have any personal connections to the subjects of your current investigation (which has been outstanding).
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending

Wow, that is some father. I wonder why Nevada was his chosen state to be governor, lol.

How can BFL_Sonny say almost nothing about his father, other than that he became enamored with him as an adult?

An adult in his mid twenties, that is.

There's something about that Laissez Faire City deal I'm missing, but can't put my finger on it.

James Orlin Grabbe is one major connection, but still feel there's more to this story besides him, Houston, Vleisides, Gevers, et al. (previously mentioned on this forum)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Orlin_Grabbe

The follow books may offer up clues:





sr. member
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Wow this is looking worse and worse...
legendary
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rippleFanatic

Wow, that is some father. I wonder why Nevada was his chosen state to be governor, lol.

How can BFL_Sonny say almost nothing about his father, other than that he became enamored with him as an adult?
legendary
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Sonny Vleisides' father, James Ray Houston.

JANE ANN MORRISON: Sheriff's reference jogs memories of 1970s 'Silver King' political scandal

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He came back to face 24 charges of mail and wire fraud but was found not guilty by federal jurors, who decided that, yes, he had stiffed his investors but had no intent to defraud. The 1,182 investors who had lost more than $3.5 million by investing in nonexistent silver were out of luck.

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In the end, the Silver King's silver was gone. Investors lost their money to a glib con man, a self-promoter who wanted to be governor of Nevada, a man with more money than sense who believed his own PR.

legendary
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wouldn't be kind of cheating, if said city has business with the outside world?

I've thought about this a bunch, and originally I had the same view as you.  But, now I think the question of sustainability depends on what kind of assets are owned by the residents of the city, outside of the city.

Sure, it is valid to say that cities like Hong Kong are not sustainable, since they depend in large part on immigrant slave-like labor, on financial services and on acting as trading hubs.  But it is possible to create a city that is for the most part only dependent upon real assets, owned by its residents in other countries.
legendary
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No taxes or bureaucracy in planned libertarian paradise: Adventurers seek to establish a capitalist Utopia in the jungle

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The group already has 60 founding members, each of whom put up $5,000 (pounds 3,125) and a recent advertisement in the Economist yielded a flood of letters and faxes. "Some of them have been sending us unsolicited money, which is more than we asked for," said Sonny Vleisides, editor of the Laissez Faire City Times, the newsletter sent to every prospective founder.

Yet MORE Laissez Faire City info.

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Mailvault is a supposedly secure email system- Mailvault.com-
built by the Laissez Faire City programmers, see the previous posts. There was an IRS revenue agent on the staff of Laissez Faire City during the time this was built. This agent helped troubleshoot systems that the LFC security "experts" just could not figure out. And a bang up job he did too!
Surely no federal tax agent would stoop to a backdoor in a system used to move funds by a large group of tax evaders? By Saint Ayn of the holy Rand, that just would not be possible!, right?

As shown here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1208123 Johann Gevers owns mailvault.com
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question.
 
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'it belongs to the poor.'
'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'it belongs to God.'
'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'it belongs to everyone.'

I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different.

I chose the impossible.

I chose... Rapture.

A city where the artist would not fear the censor;
where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality;
where the great would not be constrained by the small!

And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.

+1, epic
hero member
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Wat
I'm surprised that Digital Monetary Trust (DMT) has only been touched upon once before on this forum by a member who'e still active.

I'm new to this forum. I am thrilled to be here. In a previous life, I lived at Laissez Faire City and had some involvement with the Digital Monetary Trust venture of Orin Grabbe.

http://www.orlingrabbe.com/dmt1.htm

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This article describes an Internet-based anonymous banking project, known as The Digital Monetary Trust, Ltd. The Digital Monetary Trust (hereafter: DMT) is a proposed financial trust (which may be optionally viewed as a mutual fund, or a money market fund) all of whose assets will be invested in cash, commodities (such as gold), and high-quality (low credit-risk) securities denominated in various national currencies. DMT is a Laissez Faire City corporation.

http://www.orlingrabbe.com/dmt2.htm (this is part 2) reads like Satoshi Nakamoto's White Paper. I'm in need of an expect opinion on this, for here is where I get lost.

Loos more like open transactions than anything else.
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