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legendary
Activity: 1140
Merit: 1000
The Real Jude Austin
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Ugh, yeah! I told ya from the very beginning.The name of this "project" is misleading!


"Large Bitcoin Private Key Finder"

It can serve both purposes!

And that doesn't sound nearly as cool.

Of course. I can understand this. A pool of "thieves" doesn't sound nearly as cool as pool of "researchers".
Or you just pretend to be the Bitcoin Black Swan? lol


Now now, you can't call anyone a thief if they haven't stolen anything, right?

I think the best way to go about proving a collision in EC and not stealing from someone would be to set it up so if the original owner of the address provides a PK that is different to the one that LBC found then it does two things:

1. Proves that LBC found a collision.
2. Gives LBC the ability to give the user their funds back.

It would be hard to prove that they were the original owner using the same PK because the PK being found by LBC would be public knowledge. Since, as Rico explained, it would be easier to find a collision than the same PK.

IF (Original PK != LBC PK)
{
returnFunds = true;
collisionFound = true;
}
ELSE
{
returnFunds = false;
collisionFound = false;
}


I am not about stealing people's Bitcoins but I am definitely interested in recirculating "dead" or "lost" Bitcoins, 1FeexV6 for example.

Then of course a huge party would get thrown and I would probably be found lifeless with a huge smile on my face, haha.

Thanks,
Jude

legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Ugh, yeah! I told ya from the very beginning.The name of this "project" is misleading!


"Large Bitcoin Private Key Finder"

It can serve both purposes!

And that doesn't sound nearly as cool.

Of course. I can understand this. A pool of "thieves" doesn't sound nearly as cool as pool of "researchers".
Or you just pretend to be the Bitcoin Black Swan? lol

Thieves? Wow Cheesy That's nice.
This means each locksmith is a thieve thief because he is able trying to open your front door (without been asked to)?


You've figured it right.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 502
You need to know how to break something before you know how to properly secure it. This is what research is for. Not Thieves.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 251
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Ugh, yeah! I told ya from the very beginning.The name of this "project" is misleading!


"Large Bitcoin Private Key Finder"

It can serve both purposes!

And that doesn't sound nearly as cool.

Of course. I can understand this. A pool of "thieves" doesn't sound nearly as cool as pool of "researchers".
Or you just pretend to be the Bitcoin Black Swan? lol

Thieves? Wow Cheesy That's nice.
This means each locksmith is a thieve because he is able to open your front door? Every researcher on computer security, crypt analysis is a thieve/black hat because they try to figure out if something is secure?
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Ugh, yeah! I told ya from the very beginning.The name of this "project" is misleading!


"Large Bitcoin Private Key Finder"

It can serve both purposes!

And that doesn't sound nearly as cool.

Of course. I can understand this. A pool of "thieves" doesn't sound nearly as cool as pool of "researchers".
Or you just pretend to be the Bitcoin Black Swan? lol
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1037
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Quote
NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

No and no.

He is right that for a proof of collision you need two different private keys resolving to the same address.

He is of course totally off by using the term "the privkey for that bitcoin address" which is indicating that he isn't aware of the 296-1 other private keys to that address.

Strictly speaking, until proven otherwise, we have found two privkeys where only by a chance of

1.26217744835361888866e-29

for each of them, we hit "the one 'original' key this address was 'created' with"

You see, I'm almost running out of quotation marks. Some have expressed the hypothesis that these were created by "bad wallet software" or were "experiments". However, probability theory says, we would have been as lucky as 1 in 6277101735386680763835789423049210091073826769276946612225 to find twice the "original" key to two addresses found. 1/(296-1)²

It's no proof, but for the time being my hypothesis is, we were not that lucky.


Rico
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 251
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Ugh, yeah! I told ya from the very beginning.The name of this "project" is misleading!

Who cares? I personally think it is an interesting name. Due to the name I got interested into this project started to read up more on it and I learned what it really does. If someone is interested they will do the same. If it is not interesting, they won't. I don't get your hateful behavior. Let the people here work on the project in peace on you mind your own business, unless you have something useful to add here.
legendary
Activity: 1140
Merit: 1000
The Real Jude Austin
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Ugh, yeah! I told ya from the very beginning.The name of this "project" is misleading!


"Large Bitcoin Private Key Finder"

It can serve both purposes!

And that doesn't sound nearly as cool.

It's all fun and games man, are the odds really in our favor?

I mean come on you are arguing with people who are looking for a specific pair of entangled particles in the known universe...

WHO'S THE CRAZY ONE NOW?

lol
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Ugh, yeah! I told ya from the very beginning.The name of this "project" is misleading!
legendary
Activity: 1140
Merit: 1000
The Real Jude Austin
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!


Ugh, my God, you want a collision in EC.

Yeah, that'll be really hard to prove:

1. You will have to have both private keys to show any substantial proof of a collision.
2. Now instead of finding 1 private key out of all the atoms in the known universe you must find 2 and they have to be different and equal the same thing.

Still finding one private key out of all the possible private keys is pretty intriguing and possibly we may encounter a second private for the same address.

You never know if you don't look! Hopefully Rico keeps the address hashes in the bloom filter of ones we have found already to catch any true EC collisions.

Thanks,
Jude

legendary
Activity: 1120
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And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.

So, you can't prove anything! Why should we trust your claims?

First, get rid of the "we" in your statements. There really is no one else but you.

Second, I can perform - like anyone else - positive proofs. (debunking your "anything")
I can prove, I have a private key to an address.
I cannot (and no one can) prove I have NOT a private key to an address.

We shall try: Please prove, you have NOT the private key to https://blockchain.info/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF
(a.k.a. this address isn't yours)

If I could prove something ISN'T, my 1st victim would be god.
As I cannot prove something ISN'T, god and the FSM may exist.

We chewed this through like 4 or 5 times. You still do not understand (as you bring this up over and over again), you're like a broken record.



Rico
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

NO!
It just proves you've "found" the privkey for that bitcoin address. To find a collision you have to find TWO privkeys to the same bitcoin address!
member
Activity: 86
Merit: 10
@rico666
"....Because we assume the private keys to addresses with funds on them are also uniformly distributed in the search space, this means that the effective search space until any collision for these is found is 160bit - log2(9000000)bit = ~137bit."

I might be wrong, but because of this (wolfram alpha expression):

1-(((2^21)! * (2^160 über  2^21))/((2^160)^(2^21))) 

I assume the possibilty of hitting one of your approximately 2,5 mil target addresses is:
1.5*10^-36  or  1/(2^119)

~119 bit problem not a ~137 bit problem

I know that is still a massive challenge.


If you agree with the things written above, I would recommend to expand the target address space to 2^23 (8.x mil pub keys)
and gain a 4 times higher possibility to hit one of your targets:
2.4*10^-35 or or  1/(2^115)

115 bit with the cost of analysing 8 instead of 2 mil pub keys.

Regards,
Janu$$



legendary
Activity: 1140
Merit: 1000
The Real Jude Austin
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.


Yes, but finding a privkey to an existing address with funds on it are proof of a collision.

Where you are having trouble is whether or not the "proof" was intentionally placed there or not.

Finding 1FeexV6 would probably be the best proof possible as there have been no outputs from that address at all...

I would consider that address a "dead" address as the owner of the private key would most likely have moved those coins.

Thanks,
Jude
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.


Speaking of privkeys, finding a privkey is different to finding a collision, lol.
legendary
Activity: 1140
Merit: 1000
The Real Jude Austin
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


So, you can't prove anything! Why should we trust your claims?

Becoin,

What really can be proved?

Please explain, everything you know you learned from someone else.

You probably think that Earth is flat, don't ya?

Thanks,
Jude
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


So, you can't prove anything! Why should we trust your claims?
legendary
Activity: 1140
Merit: 1000
The Real Jude Austin
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico


Speaking of physics, finding a collision is similar to quantum particles, only the observer really knows, lol.

Perhaps Schrodinger's equation will become Becoin's equation or the probability wave that the private key belonged to the finder already or...not.

Becoin is making quite the interference pattern on this thread, LOL.

Thanks,
Jude
legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1037
฿ → ∞
HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.

Proving one has the privkey to a 80k BTC address discards the need for any further proof down the line.
The laws of physics don't apply anymore etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Cvtr86H5g

And your notorious requirement of negative proof... almost looks like you beg for upgrading your title from mascot to jester.


Rico
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
Imagine finding the private key for some of Satoshi's addresses...

That's the prime target of this so called "project". The "white" hacker Rico that doesn't have a single bitcoin in his wallet... Give me a break!

Oh yes - everyone new here: Meet becoin, our local mascot.


Rico


https://blockchain.info/address/1FeexV6bAHb8ybZjqQMjJrcCrHGW9sb6uF

HERE WE COMEEEEE!



HERE WE ASK AAAAAGAIN:

1. Prove you have the privkey.
2. Prove it is not yours.


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