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So as you all know they charged CZ and he stepped down. Most likely he will get arrested as he goes on US soil.
What I find strange about all this, is that it’s all familiar. Anyone know what I am taking about?
Remember Bitmex and it’s CEO Arthur Hayes who was arrested. What happened right after? One of the biggest bull runs in Bitcoin history.
History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.
Yes, I just watched the news about it and I am very wonder that how a CEO does an illegal work. The first thing is why he does the money laundering and the second is why he accepts it. He is not a criminal or any type of person that he did money laundering in such big digits. He may not have come into the eyes if he did this in other countries but unfortunately, there is a law of the US against money laundering. He said he is so guilty about what was done and that's why he resigned.  He also said that he gets some time for himself and he is going to do some rest. He Announces a new CEO named Richard, ex-CEO of the financial services regulatory authority at Abu Dhabi global market ADGM. He said Richard has 3 decades of experience and will put binance to the next level. If he is so sure about him then we also need to trust him and give some time to him because I saw some other news suggesting people withdraw their money from Binance. Because the Binance is going to be down.
legendary
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they operate binance.us and to fully say cz has zero to do with binance.us was likely impossible. thus the us went after them.

I always wonder why they would operate binance.us as it would tie them into usa taw rules.

They started binance.us as a separate thing to avoid problems such as this. Apparently that didn't work as well as they hoped.
Only Binance know why they did it but I thought Binance did it when they felt bigger risk from the trade war between two big nations.

Crypto Exchange Giant Binance to Launch US Trading Tuesday. It is in September 2019.

The China–United States trade war began since January 2018 but was escalated more some months later. It can be one of reasons or coincidence but it is not a matter now for Binance.

the charges clearly state...
from  2017 to october 2022 CZ and binance.com they 'conspired' to not do full KYC to identify US residences to then comply with regulations
from 2018 to may 2022 CZ and binance.com they 'conspired' to not do full KYC to identify iranian residences to then comply with regulations

they cared more about increasing their customer base, rather than putting in restrictions that would turn people away

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.328551/gov.uscourts.wawd.328551.1.0.pdf starting from middle of page 6
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17   E. THE SCHEME
18   18.   Beginning no later than August 2017 and continuing until October 2022,
19   Defendant and its co-conspirators, including Zhao and Individuals 1 and 2, knowingly and
20   willfully conspired (i) to operate as an unlicensed MTB that failed to comply with
21   registration requirements under U.S. law and (ii) to violate the BSA by failing to establish,
22   implement, and maintain an effective AML program at Binance.
23   19.   MSBs, including money transmitters with effective AML programs, collect
24   KYC information that allows them to, among other things, identify users who are subject
25   to U.S. sanctions programs and prevent U.S. persons from conducting prohibited
26   transactions with persons subject to U.S. sanctions. During the relevant time period, many
27   MSBs, particularly those doing business wholly or in substantial part in the United States,


1   had AML programs that used KYC and other information to identify users subject to U.S.
2   sanctions programs and prevent U.S. persons from conducting prohibited transactions with
3   persons subject to U.S. sanctions.
4   20.   The purpose of the conspiracy was to allow Binance to operate as a virtual
5   currency exchange and gain market share and profit as quickly as possible. Defendant and
6   its co-conspirators accomplished this goal by attracting a substantial number of U.S. users
7   to Binance.com—particularly U.S. VIP users, who accounted for a significant percentage
8   of the overall trading volume on Binance.com. Defendant chose not to comply with U.S.
9   legal and regulatory requirements because it determined that doing so would limit its ability
10   to attract and maintain U.S. users. Defendant and its co-conspirators concealed Binance’s
11   avoidance and noncompliance with U.S. law.
12   21.   Defendant’s decision to prioritize its growth over compliance with U.S. legal
13   requirements meant that it facilitated billions of dollars of cryptocurrency transactions on
14   behalf of lts customers, including users in comprehensively sanctioned jurisdictions such
15   as Iran, without implementing appropriate KYC procedures or conducting adequate
16   transaction monitoring. During the relevant period, Defendant knew that U.S. law
17   prohibited U.S. persons from conducting certain financial transactions with countries,
18   groups, entities, or persons sanctioned by the U.S. government. Defendant knew that it
19   serviced users from comprehensively sanctioned jurisdictions and that these users were
20   prohibited from conducting transactions with U.S. persons. Defendant further l‹new that its
21   matching engine, i.e., Binance’s tool that matched customer bids and offers to execute
22   cryptocurrency trades, had been designed to execute cryptocurrency trades based on price
23   and time without regard to whether the matched customers were prohibited by law from
24   transacting with one another. Defendant also 1‹new that it did not block transactions
25   between users subject to U.S. sanctions and U.S. users and that its matching engine would
26   necessarily cause such transactions, in violation of U.S. law. During the relevant period,
27   Defendant nonetheless did not implement the necessary controls that would have prevented

1   Binance from causing U.S. users to conduct cryptocuiTency transactions with users in
2   comprehensively sanctioned jurisdictions.
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As a result of Defendant’s decision not to implement comprehensive controls
4   blocking illegal transactions between sanctioned users and U.S. users, Defendant willfully
5   caused transactions between U.S. users and users in comprehensively sanctioned
6   jurisdictions in violation of U.S. law. Specifically, between in or about January 2018
7   through May 2022, Defendant caused at least 1.1 million transactions in violation of IEEPA
8   between users it had reason to believe were U.S. persons and persons it had reason to
9   believe resided in Iran
hero member
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they operate binance.us and to fully say cz has zero to do with binance.us was likely impossible. thus the us went after them.

I always wonder why they would operate binance.us as it would tie them into usa taw rules.

They started binance.us as a separate thing to avoid problems such as this. Apparently that didn't work as well as they hoped.
Only Binance know why they did it but I thought Binance did it when they felt bigger risk from the trade war between two big nations.

Crypto Exchange Giant Binance to Launch US Trading Tuesday. It is in September 2019.

The China–United States trade war began since January 2018 but was escalated more some months later. It can be one of reasons or coincidence but it is not a matter now for Binance.
hero member
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I'm still in shock that he accepted such crime but my concern is what will be the effects of this resignation on Bitcoin and the crypto space at large.

I'm even afraid that there could be some hackers in this exchange from now cause CZ really tries to keep people's assets very safe.

There is no doubt that he is really good when protecting the user's crypto assets inside their exchange and one thing that made him shine is their way of recovering the users' funds when it gets affected by hackers, they pay it for them. It won't be the same for sure after his resignation and it would be good for them not to exaggerate some new updates because the recent changes will leave their users hanging for a moment and any bad move will gonna make a huge change on their platform right now.
legendary
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they operate binance.us and to fully say cz has zero to do with binance.us was likely impossible. thus the us went after them.
They started binance.us as a separate thing to avoid problems such as this. Apparently that didn't work as well as they hoped.

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I always wonder why they would operate binance.us as it would tie them into usa taw rules.
Because US market is always a good revenue from a business perspective. The population is high and so is the number of potential customers.
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Perhaps both speculation and conspiracy theories, but this time it was necessary for CZ to resign and accept the charges.
And perhaps Binance CZ's market share and influence has brought obstacles from more powerful people. So it's easy to understand that competition in this market is always fierce, but accusations and bans or acceptance from one side... But anyway, I still think this is more beneficial than CZ refusing and appeal, perhaps the scenario will follow but similar cases are limited contact as well as house arrest but still have a very luxurious life.
legendary
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Did they just throw this randomly in the mix Cheesy
Binance doesn't accept anyone from Iran and also considering that it has a strict KYC policy there is no way to circumvent that either.
They just did not mention when the violation happened. If they counted it since Binance birthday in 2017 and a few years later before the exchange required KYC on their users, it is very possible that there are users from Iran or other sanctioned countries, locations used Binance and laundered their criminal money through cryptocurrencies and Binance.

They only started to do KYC since 2021
How KYC Helps Keep Users Safe in the EEA & UK
I suppose that could be the reason but at the same time pre KYC could also mean pre regulation of their business and anything done before that isn't exactly breaking any laws. Specially since as far as I know Binance never had any headquarters inside United States so they are not exactly subject to US laws.

users from Iran or other sanctioned countries, locations used Binance and laundered their criminal money through cryptocurrencies and Binance.
Just because someone is from a sanctioned country doesn't mean they own "criminal money" and want to "launder" it Smiley

BTW providing service to users from sanctioned countries is not counted as money laundering. It is counted as breaking US sanctions and would subject the business to sanctions or fines.

they operate binance.us and to fully say cz has zero to do with binance.us was likely impossible. thus the us went after them.

I always wonder why they would operate binance.us as it would tie them into usa taw rules.
legendary
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Did they just throw this randomly in the mix Cheesy
Binance doesn't accept anyone from Iran and also considering that it has a strict KYC policy there is no way to circumvent that either.
They just did not mention when the violation happened. If they counted it since Binance birthday in 2017 and a few years later before the exchange required KYC on their users, it is very possible that there are users from Iran or other sanctioned countries, locations used Binance and laundered their criminal money through cryptocurrencies and Binance.

They only started to do KYC since 2021
How KYC Helps Keep Users Safe in the EEA & UK
I suppose that could be the reason but at the same time pre KYC could also mean pre regulation of their business and anything done before that isn't exactly breaking any laws. Specially since as far as I know Binance never had any headquarters inside United States so they are not exactly subject to US laws.

users from Iran or other sanctioned countries, locations used Binance and laundered their criminal money through cryptocurrencies and Binance.
Just because someone is from a sanctioned country doesn't mean they own "criminal money" and want to "launder" it Smiley

BTW providing service to users from sanctioned countries is not counted as money laundering. It is counted as breaking US sanctions and would subject the business to sanctions or fines.
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a whopping $4.3billion penalty for binance and $50m for CZ personally
When I said that Bitcoin exchange is the money making machine because trading fees are extremely high on every of them, many people replied me that fees aren't high and exchanges have so many expenses that they barely make net profit and so on. But here we go, Binance will pay this money without a problem because they collect millions of dollars daily just from spot trading fees.

$1.8Bill within 15 months  (overall fine for crimes)
$1.6bill within 6 months (forfeiture of profits/fee's of running the business)
$0.9bill within 30days (clawback of funds sent to IRAN)
Just another proof that you can pay for crimes with money. Rob as many people as you want, just pay fines in the end of the day and you are fine Cheesy

CZ's "crimes"
1. operating a money transmitter service
2. not registering a money transmitter service
3. facilitating money transmits to iran

binance "crime"
I might be the only one who says this but I have to admit again, CZ knows the language of business and is smart as F. He had so many problems, he broke so many rules, still manages to keep Binance number one exchange and still manages to avoid arrest. CZ really reminds me Kim Dotcom, they would be a great couple Cheesy
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Wow, $4.3 billion as a settlement is absolutely huge! It's good that they've reached a deal that will allow the company to continue operating, so it means that Binance won't go down, but is $4.3 billion really the kind of money Binance can easily pay without it affecting the operations of the exchange?
It seems unclear from the articles what sort of punishment (incarceration, probation) CZ is likely to get, but I've also seen that it's unlikely that he'll be sentenced over the next 6 months. Bitcoin seems to be doing okay, so this negative news doesn't seem to have shaken the market.
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This had less effect on prices because he is not going to be arrested. He just has to pay fine which he can comfortably pay.
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How do we still trust crypto exchanges after that? I'm just in shock and I don't think it will benefit bitcoin and the entire crypto community.
nothing secure in crypto, centralized exchanges too risky but i think at least binance has gained everyone's trust because it's a top crypto exchange in their 150 million users,
even they guarantee to keep your money safe, fully refundable by their SAFU (secure asset fund for users) in case of any loss of money in hacked,
sr. member
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How do we still trust crypto exchanges after that? I'm just in shock and I don't think it will benefit bitcoin and the entire crypto community.

I don't know what benefit you have brought to the crypto community but from many years in the market, I know that centralized exchanges are an integral part of the market and have made a lot of contributions both negative and positive for the market. If they don't work, why are there hundreds of millions of users? Are hundreds of millions of investors out there stupid and only you are smart? The cryptocurrency industry has grown so far thanks to the massive encapsulation of centralized exchanges although many people hate them but the majority of those who hate them do not bring any benefit or value to crypto industry like you.
legendary
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So as you all know they charged CZ and he stepped down. Most likely he will get arrested as he goes on US soil.

What I find strange about all this, is that it’s all familiar. Anyone know what I am taking about?

Remember Bitmex and it’s CEO Arthur Hayes who was arrested. What happened right after? One of the biggest bull runs in Bitcoins history.

History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.
Not totally shocking whenever we are really that near on Bull run event on which these kind of situations do really happens which is usually end of the year? Negative news and events are already
coming out on a certain extent in speaking about on how often and how bad or severe those situations. Are they planning to make the market drop that hard? Not something new.
Getting in with very cheap price would really be always their main target. US does really have on controlling on everything  and would love on monopolizing but since there are people or platforms or companies
which cant really be controlled then expect that they would really be actively be attacked or raised up issues.

The good thing here is that the market didnt really react that much with this kind of news, BTC dropped only -2k almost which it isnt really that severe.
If they do have plans on taking down the market then they did fail on this one.  Cheesy
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Yes last time when it happened, the market went crazy. But I highly doubt that the same might happen again. We have seen normally that when bad news appear about the crypto, the market goes down and all over crashes of coins are seen, but when there is a good news about coin, like a big company buying large number of coins, the market goes up. So we need to evaluate the situation like this and then can conclude that whether we going towards a bear market or bull market.
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How do we still trust crypto exchanges after that? I'm just in shock and I don't think it will benefit bitcoin and the entire crypto community.
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He hasn't been arrested yet doesn't mean he won't be arrested later, give it time first, let some fresh air flow by this news for few weeks, honestly getting him arrested is still possible.

Now I bet Kevin O'Leary will be happy about this, he vowed to make this happen, he promised CZ that he will fall just like CZ made FTX fell, I should have saved that video for myself, but I still clearly remember how hateful this man sounded towards CZ, he meant to ruin him and now I think he is part of the group that did this.

I think its too early to think that CZ is free, I doubt it, they have some menace for this man since FTX secret was let out of the bag, I strongly believe that there is more to this than we know right now, few weeks from now will tell if I am wrong or not.
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Regardless of how likely it might or might not be, nobody has been arrested yet.

I would ask OP to change the title accordingly as this hasnt happened yet and titles like this shouldnt be posted, yet
legendary
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Re: Largest crypto exchange CEO arrested! Anyone getting deja vu?

Come on man, this is click-bait. He hasn't been arrested yet, and why would he they arrest him anyway if he entered a settlement with the US government to pay a (enormous) fine and step down?

I don't think anything bad is going to happen to Binance without CZ, except I guess for luna-trader-tics dumping BNB and BUSD, but that's kinda expected from them.
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Back in 2019-2020 the largest exchange at the time was Bitmex, similar to how Binance now has the largest volumes. Binance started to gain popularity around that time but still didn’t have the same volume as Bitmex.

When he stepped down and was charged, we assumed crypto would crash but the complete opposite happened. Some speculated they had to bring Bitmex down to pave the way for the Coin IPO and the Bitcoin futures etf listed on the stock market.
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