Topic: Las Vegas Shooting - Witness Saw More Than One Shooter - page 2. (Read 682 times)

First of all, you are just repeating your poor argument from before that I already addressed. Second of all, you are mischaracterizing the statement. It is common for people to MISIDENTIFY the identity of individuals they witnessed. It is not common for people to imagine they saw people that never existed to begin with. The statement is referring to false identification, not imagining non-existent people. If your argument was about mistaken identity you might have a point, but you are projecting your own meaning on to words the authors never intended to imply. According to science huh? Now you speak for the field of science? How exactly does the fact that you have seen "plenty of news" invalidate witness testimony? Do you ever wonder why you are so hostile over anyone asking questions about a mass murder? It couldn't be cognitive dissonance could it?

"Stress doesn't make you hallucinate entire teams of armed men. " according to science it does. Stress and anxiety can cause hallucinations.

Ive also seen plenty of news about the incident and even a recollection of the events prior to the attack, perhaps you are hallucinating too.

Contempt of Court, Taser, and the Missing Evidence - Las Vegas Shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pohyq0IYo4M

Polly want a cracker?

Eyewitnesses are unreliable. There are always going to be a few people who claim to have seen things that didn't happen either because they're mistaken or misinterpreted what they did see, or because they're deliberately lying for their own reasons. Frankly, I'd suspect a conspiracy if there weren't conflicting eyewitness accounts.

I have looked for hours for the original source to no avail. According to the image it is a called in statement to the FBI's Public Access Line, which means it was likely transcribed by some cubicle jockey and not necessarily a LEO. I was able to find information suggesting it was released as part of a FOIA request submitted to the FBI. I will update if I can find more.

FYI, I think otrkid was being sarcastic.

UPDATE: It is located here, page 21 of this FOIA dump: https://www.scribd.com/document/410341446/May-Production-2019

@TECSHARE, I'm curious where you found that document.  The grammar is shit, which strikes me as odd if I am to believe it was written by a professional LEO.


That's a rather convenient stance to take on an issue that resulted in so much death and injury.  Obviously there's more to this story, and dismissing it as though it was merely due to "insanity" is a rather weak argument.  By all accounts the accused shooter showed no prior signs of insanity or any other mental health issues.  The only thing we've been told about him is that he may have been a compulsive gambler, but he wasn't broke (financially.)  So what caused him to break (mentally?)

I'm still not convinced that Stephen Paddock wasn't a patsy, but I don't care to speculate for whom or what. 

This made me LOL.....R.I.P.

One insane shooter case closed.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-warns-foreign-actors-sow-discord-wake-mass/story?id=63857763

Who said the case wasn't investigated? Now you are literally making up things and attributing them to me instead of arguing what I actually said. That is called a strawman and is a common logical fallacy. Furthermore it is a clear demonstration of your bias, because you aren't even critically examining any of the information that is presented before you project your own concepts of what you think it is upon it. I said in other cases the information is made public and plastered all over, and in this case they barely released any information and the media was quick to bury it, which is very unusual considering how hard they beat the dead horse of any mass shooting in almost every other case.

Your link doesn't prove anything. I never said witness testimony is infallible. I did however say errors in witness testimony are usually related to mistaken identity or mistakes in relatively minor details. Stress doesn't make you hallucinate entire teams of armed men. Furthermore there are now multiple witness statements coming out that state there were other shooters, I guess they are all hallucinating huh? You are so obviously terrified of having to adjust your world view to incorporate the possibility of this new information. You are looking for any excuse at all to dismiss the mounting evidence that something other than what was reported happened because you can not handle the cognitive dissonance. You aren't examining or arguing the issues, you are summarily dismissing them.

''You don't think it is at all strange that one man from so far away was able to kill and injure so many people in such a short period of time? Why is it nearly every other mass shooting there are endless details about the situation and the shooter along with their motives plastered all over, yet this incident just suddenly vanished from public consciousness without any of that examination? Stop being so willfully ignorant.'' I don't actually, why is it strange? Was this case not investigated, where did you see that?

''Eyewitness testimony — it’s often thought of as solid evidence in criminal cases, but researchers including Iowa State University’s Gary Wells have found that our memories aren’t as reliable as we think. Sometimes, we can even build false recollections about people we only think we saw.''
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/uncategorized/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html

Considering how insanely stressful this event was, it's not weird at all.

See I can respect a reply like this. You aren't automatically being dismissive and making prejudgments. You remain skeptical, which is perfectly reasonable, but you also aren't pretending like anyone who is asking questions is some kind of nut. This incident begs for questions to be asked, and there are so few answers.

The term conspiracy has become associated with crazy people.  People laugh when they heard the word conspiracy because of stupid things like flat earth.

Really don't hear much at all about the Vegas shooting or the Colorado theater shooting, still hear more about George Zimmerman.  I'm not sure what to say about those witnesses because during mass panic like that your only concern is to survive and hide and you aren't really looking around and observing things clearly.

The unreliability of witnesses is usually the kind of thing you would attribute to a false ID or mismatching details, not imagining armed teams of people running around. People who fear that they might have to adapt their belief system to new and challenging concepts so often use the term "conspiracy" to dismiss everything and anything as a way to end that difficult cognitive dissonance they are experiencing. By every metric this was a conspiracy. Two guys planning to rob a 7-11 is a conspiracy. A conspiracy is simply a legal terminology for planning a crime between 2 or more people. Stop using that word as a lazy cudgel to avoid for what is for you a difficult task of critical examination of the situation. You don't think it is at all strange that one man from so far away was able to kill and injure so many people in such a short period of time? Why is it nearly every other mass shooting there are endless details about the situation and the shooter along with their motives plastered all over, yet this incident just suddenly vanished from public consciousness without any of that examination? Stop being so willfully ignorant.

Witnesses are extremely unreliable, just saying. Also, this conspiracy shit happens every single time, every time there is a shooting, there is some weird ass conspiracy about it, every time someone famous dies, boom, nope, they are alive, it's a conspiracy, don't people get tired of this shit?

Maybe actually revue the information I presented before making assumptions.

Is there any other witness that is able to corroborate this story by one witness? There's no way that we're going to base an entire conspiracy theory claim off of one person -- who is not going to be as close to credible as multiple people who are saying the same thing.

Any footage of this happening or anything along those lines? Etc?

I do know that there is barely any information out there about this shooting, though I do think it is vital to show proper evidence before we make crazy claims.

Seems to me that I read that much of Vegas is owned or supported by Middle East money. Somebody failed to make his payments.