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Topic: Latest Bitcoin market trend - Looks like the Bitcoin Whales are losing momentum (Read 533 times)

legendary
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I'm sure this is happening gradually over time. I used to see whales dumping 1K-2K BTC at a time, several times daily, on Gox back in 2013. You never see that kind of volume anymore.

These were the good times. I remember seeing Chinese exchanges do crazy shit back in their +1 million BTC daily volumes. Orders of 10,000BTC were absorbed as if they were pocket change.

I think the main reason we don't see these dumps anymore, or much less frequently, is because of how investors are afraid of exchanges freezing their funds for whatever nonsensical reason. Right now they dump a few hundred BTC on exchange A, few hundred on exchange B, and so forth. It's a smart way to deal with the risk they expose themselves to, because the times of freedom are long gone.

The question is, how much of those volumes was fake? We know some exchanges faked their transaction volumes to attract people to their exchange. >

This was also one of the reasons why some of these exchanges had to close their doors for a while, when their government sent inspectors to identify these practices

Today's volumes are likely no less fake

But that's mostly irrelevant as in 2013 prices had been way lower than they are now (I mean most of 2013, obviously), and dumping 10k bitcoins was not a big deal either specifically because it wasn't a huge amount in dollar terms. Besides, even if we crash to those figures (say, below 1k), we are not going to see such orders again for the simple reason that people are now very well aware of the true potential of Bitcoin as everyone has already seen it in action (read, no milk for exchanges this time)
hero member
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I just read some. Comments here and I'm surprise how some people will be asking some kind of dumb questions Shocked. Like serious how can someone is saying that they need proof to show that there are something like whales who manipulate the market… lolzzzz. Which other proof do you need?? The things that are happening in the market should already show you that there are people who manipulate this market. Funny.
sr. member
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Ok, this is only my own observation, but I think it might be very accurate if you are looking at the more recent Bitcoin price trends. We all know that Bitcoin whales are still manipulating the Bitcoin price.

I think a lot of these Bitcoin whales might be losing momentum now, because we only see the price going slightly above $4000 and then they take profits and the price goes down below $4000 again.

We also know that Bitcoin whales will decline over time as more coins are distributed from them and hoarded by more users. This process are slowly gaining momentum.  Grin

Do you see this same pattern or am I imagining this?
I have seeing this pattern playing out since the beginning of this year and to me the market is becoming more stable and the volatility that do come through the influence of the whales is drastically reducing.  I think traders and the investors are Becoming wiser nowadays and that is why we are seeing this stable pricing.  The whales that has been manipulating the market are really losing out as little investors or micro one are not ready to take profits with the little increasing in price.
legendary
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I'm sure this is happening gradually over time. I used to see whales dumping 1K-2K BTC at a time, several times daily, on Gox back in 2013. You never see that kind of volume anymore.

These were the good times. I remember seeing Chinese exchanges do crazy shit back in their +1 million BTC daily volumes. Orders of 10,000BTC were absorbed as if they were pocket change.

I think the main reason we don't see these dumps anymore, or much less frequently, is because of how investors are afraid of exchanges freezing their funds for whatever nonsensical reason. Right now they dump a few hundred BTC on exchange A, few hundred on exchange B, and so forth. It's a smart way to deal with the risk they expose themselves to, because the times of freedom are long gone.

The question is, how much of those volumes was fake? We know some exchanges faked their transaction volumes to attract people to their exchange. >

This was also one of the reasons why some of these exchanges had to close their doors for a while, when their government sent inspectors to identify these practices.

I agree with you that exchanges are being rotated to hide high volume trades.   Wink
legendary
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I'm sure this is happening gradually over time. I used to see whales dumping 1K-2K BTC at a time, several times daily, on Gox back in 2013. You never see that kind of volume anymore.

These were the good times. I remember seeing Chinese exchanges do crazy shit back in their +1 million BTC daily volumes. Orders of 10,000BTC were absorbed as if they were pocket change.

I think the main reason we don't see these dumps anymore, or much less frequently, is because of how investors are afraid of exchanges freezing their funds for whatever nonsensical reason. Right now they dump a few hundred BTC on exchange A, few hundred on exchange B, and so forth. It's a smart way to deal with the risk they expose themselves to, because the times of freedom are long gone.
legendary
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Ok, this is only my own observation, but I think it might be very accurate if you are looking at the more recent Bitcoin price trends. We all know that Bitcoin whales are still manipulating the Bitcoin price.

I think a lot of these Bitcoin whales might be losing momentum now, because we only see the price going slightly above $4000 and then they take profits and the price goes down below $4000 again.

Why do you assume whales are dictating the price? Markets range like this all the time. Hell, Bitcoin ranges like this all the time. It was doing the same thing in September-November last year before crashing.

Most of the market (including whales) is waiting to pile into the market once the range breaks.

We also know that Bitcoin whales will decline over time as more coins are distributed from them and hoarded by more users. This process are slowly gaining momentum.

I'm sure this is happening gradually over time. I used to see whales dumping 1K-2K BTC at a time, several times daily, on Gox back in 2013. You never see that kind of volume anymore.
sr. member
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I think current price is motivating the individuals to accumulate more bitcoins as it is attractive entry point. I also think whales already accumulated too much and they might now working/motivating others to acquire now and themselves keeping their balance stable.
It is just my thoughts.

The price is really a force that is propellibg buyers. And almost every body is waiting for a reversal to bull, this is one a reason. As for the "whales" , they are tired for the wait and wishing to off load for profit.
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Bitcoin whales were losing momentum, this has been taking place because of the users steady mind and not reacting to the panic attack that the whales generate around the market. This seems to be the reason for losing momentum, else by now there could've been some market fluctuation by now.
I agree, with no major changes, making people panic. so that they hold a lot of bitcoin with doubts. but I think patience to wait for good news to come is needed to achieve each goal
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Now the situation in the market is similar to the one that was in October-November last year. The price stands in one place and every now and then we see sharp movements of 100-200 dollars up or down to knock out the maximum amount of stop margin trading.
Leading traders (whales) will never leave this market, when it seems that the market is not controlled by them, all will witness another failure and then you will see who is the boss
hero member
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Bitcoin whales were losing momentum, this has been taking place because of the users steady mind and not reacting to the panic attack that the whales generate around the market. This seems to be the reason for losing momentum, else by now there could've been some market fluctuation by now.
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When we talk about the whales, I think not all whales losing momentum because I am sure that there is a smart whale who can gain the biggest profit from the other whales.

Yes, they can manipulate the price as you said, but some of them might be losing the momentum especially if they can not buy bitcoin at a low price. We already know that the price is up and down and the differences for the price is up to $400-$500 so when the smart whales can use this chance, I don't think that they are losing momentum because they can buy more bitcoin than before and they could make scalping trade to gain more profit and of course, more bitcoin.
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I also think the same thing about bitcoin whales will continue to decline as time goes on and I hope the pope will no longer be in charge of the bitcoin movement they can manipulate in various markets. Everyone is fed up with their games so people are smart to collect bitcoin until they get the next highest price.
Yes it's true, for now traders look more patient and continue to hold their assets from whale attacks, so the current price seems to be stable at $ 3800, so big popes will further reduce their desire to manipulate the market, hopefully prices will rise.
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Ok, this is only my own observation, but I think it might be very accurate if you are looking at the more recent Bitcoin price trends. We all know that Bitcoin whales are still manipulating the Bitcoin price.

I think a lot of these Bitcoin whales might be losing momentum now, because we only see the price going slightly above $4000 and then they take profits and the price goes down below $4000 again.

We also know that Bitcoin whales will decline over time as more coins are distributed from them and hoarded by more users. This process are slowly gaining momentum.  Grin

Do you see this same pattern or am I imagining this?
in some way cryptocurrencies are lost its Momentum especially be Bitcoin had a huge trust in the previous time but it will not fulfill the expectation nowadays so I think definitely the momentum will not support Bitcoin to be a better currency right now.
hero member
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I agree with you, I see already that whales are gradually losing the battle, and this is what I have been clamoring for in a long term, we need to war against these whales that are making the market highly volatile and the way is if we all don’t allow them to make us panic sell, once we don’t give in to this in the meantime, we will get more users coming in to the cryptocurrency space to also make use of it and with time, everything will become  balanced and there won’t be enough room for whales to manipulate again.

From here bitcoin will keep growing gradually till reaches its fairer price which would be based on mining cost and other impacting factors.
hero member
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The market is developing day by day and the control of prices is becoming more difficult with this development. Especially 2-3 years ago, we know that even individual whales can control prices, but the fact that individual whales cannot control price as easily as before is clearly evident. Those investors who are losing power in the market every day will probably lose their financial power in the coming periods or it will become much stronger if there is a possible adverse situation. On the other hand, the reason for this low price range may be to re-mix the investor's mind.
legendary
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I guess it is not a "momentum loss" as much as a strategic planning. I mean we have been around the same price for months now and the rich people can't just keep making money forever from these prices. So, they need to figure out a way to make a lot of money, if they can make a lot of money from going up than they will, if they can make a lot of money from going down than they will.

Moreover, I see that the next type of money making might be the short breakers. They will make the market look like it will go down and make people open short positions and as soon as they see if its enough they will start to go with longs and increase the money that way they will break all shorts and make a ton of money thanks to double downing on bitcoin prices going up in bitmex and so forth.
legendary
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Taking into account the market in recent months, maybe, the outlook is showing us the loss of the momentum of the whales, I think now, according to my analysis based on Wyckoff's theory, we are in the accumulation phase, where the whales they are interested in the price being cheap, in order to buy, and the manipulation game to continue, but due to this, in low levels there is not much offer of bitcoin, so they must raise prices.

If the bitcoin increases, the whales know that they are on offer, however they can make it correct the price, only to continue buying something cheaper and apart from taking profit from the movements, with the basic principle of Law of Effort and Result.

In this phase it is very easy to manipulate news, to cause panic and thus manage to release as many Bitcoins as possible cheaper.
legendary
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Average people on the other hand are as stupid as they have always been; they continuously buy and sell at the wrong moments, and whales know how to make them buy and sell at the wrong times. Bitcoin's wealth distribution is way worse than fiat's wealth distribution, and it's only going to be worse because most people are straight gamblers and don't care about its decentralized nature

I like the way you put it (yeah, I do)

Though I can't say that average people (let's call them wannabe traders) are necessarily stupid on their own. It is rather their actions that become chaotic and irrational (sometimes bordering on outright insane) when they get under the stress of adverse market conditions. And then everything happens like you describe, i.e. they keep on buying and selling at the wrong time. But let's admit it, we all have been through this
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I agree, in recent times the flow of Bitcoin and the Crypto market will not been stable and it will definitely losses its momentum so it means the pump is not been happened for cryptocurrency in recent times especially Bitcoin is not in good flow right now so it will definitely affect lots of investors including me.
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Can you provide anything that proves that bitcoin is manipulated by some mysterious whales now? It is pretty obvious that markets with low market cap are pretty sensitive to large deals but for the last time those fluctuations seem pretty normal for crypto. If during a month BTC price change +- 300$ then I don't see any reason to blame some unknown whales and say that market is manipulated.
Very correct I don't think there is any invisible hands behind the fluctuating price in the market after all bitcoin it self has no stable price and at that can move in which ever direction it demands force it to move to. I use to think that its whale that are behind the &4000+ movement but later realized that it a normal market movement.
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