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Topic: Lauda has Broken the GuideLine of the Trust System by theymos own words, ban her (Read 3700 times)

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Lauda, don't waste your time or energy just ignore this trolls and they will stop to post useless spam and try to defaming you we all know that you do a good job by trying to keep this forum clean of scammers and signature spammers, the problem is most of them just post because they see it as job and not as a gift by the campaign's to promote them!
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The trust system in this forum is really broken if you have traded with the guy and he have scammed you then that's the time you can give a negative feedback from that specific user but it says here whether or not you did trade with that user, you can also make a negative feedback. like What the?
It is a web of trust not a web of trades.

The mods should probably change this before any future damage in the site will be made.
Absolute bullshit. This trust system is the only thing that's keeping the site from total anarchy, and the last of the non spammers/account farmers.

I have a lot of farmed accounts that I used to spam in the Waves campaign. I am afraid that Lauda will find out about them. Undecided
FTFY. Roll Eyes
sr. member
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The trust system in this forum is really broken if you have traded with the guy and he have scammed you then that's the time you can give a negative feedback from that specific user but it says here whether or not you did trade with that user, you can also make a negative feedback. like What the?
The mods should probably change this before any future damage in the site will be made. I think Lauda is a one sided kind of person as she/he stepped in the matters that should our campaign manager should be managing she/he has no right to dictate what the campaign manager should do cause he/she has no jurisdiction on that matter.
legendary
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Goonies never say die.
Bolded the important part. It's not a question whether you create a new thread/post a reply, but what you discuss in it.
Appealing your ban in a thread in meta and asking about it is alright, other (non related) topics in meta are still restricted.
This thread is called "Lauda has ~cry~" and is about Lauda, not the user and their ban, hence not a ban appeal and not covered by the exception.

Makes sense. Looks like he is banned now anyway.
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Goodbye, Z.
25. If you get banned (temporary or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.
I believe he is ok to evade a ban as long as he stays in Meta, although I'm not sure if the quote above relates to *only* creating a new topic in Meta or if replying to topics in Meta is also considered evasion?
Bolded the important part. It's not a question whether you create a new thread/post a reply, but what you discuss in it.
Appealing your ban in a thread in meta and asking about it is alright, other (non related) topics in meta are still restricted.
This thread is called "Lauda has ~cry~" and is about Lauda, not the user and their ban, hence not a ban appeal and not covered by the exception.

The first question sounds like a threat, is it?
Are you scared of the truth?

Oh, and, thank you for your negative trust Legendary Luptin! Wise person.
Neither a legendary, nor is that my username.
Just having a general sense of distrust about people who fail to comply with even the easiest rules.
legendary
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25. If you get banned (temporary or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

I believe he is ok to evade a ban as long as he stays in Meta, although I'm not sure if the quote above relates to *only* creating a new topic in Meta or if replying to topics in Meta is also considered evasion?

Anyhow, copying & pasting posts is lame and results in a ban. You would have to convince mods to unban you, and your best shot is to create a new thread under Meta with your pleas. They may fall on deaf ears though.
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Got my ban on mine main account, probably because after almost 1400 posts I copied (I admit that, no problem) 2 half posts.
Just to make this clear, you are currently actively evading a forum ban?

Had no time and tried this solution, no warning, no 2 weeks ban or something, I just received a permaban of mine (2013) Hero account.
Spam is a problem, not a solution.
The right thing would have been failing your quota, instead of copying others posts and spamming the forum.



http://archive.is/ChqBY

The first question sounds like a threat, is it? I'm happy to see that you don't know that almost everyone in this forum have an Alt-account. By the way, I'm not a greedy person, so I'll not answer to your provocation. Just permaban this account too if you believe I broke the rules with this. The most important thing is that people can see what I said just 3 minutes ago.. So sad to have a confirm of that on a constructive discussion.

For the second one, you are right! That was the right thing, but you know, I'm an human not a machine. So I can do mistakes, and if I had received a warning, I would probably (surely, but let's say probably) not have it redone. But like I said before, I'm not here to cry and pray this People (People with the Power to ban/unban).

I just reported this idiot for evading a ban. Hopefully this knucklehead will get another permaban and it'll stick in his head that he's not welcome here.

You know what? This is exactly what I said... You are allowed to insult me (more than once), but thanks to your trust and friends (like yahoo), you will keep post here like nothing happened. Anarchy probably is better then this, but I'm happy because more and more people can see this.

Oh, and, thank you for your negative trust Legendary Luptin! Wise person.
legendary
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I just reported this idiot for evading a ban.  The copy pasting was a dumb thing to do, and it just shows how sig campaigns motivate people to shitpost however they can.  But we all know tthat already,  don't we.  Hopefully this knucklehead will get another permaban and it'll stick in his head that he's not welcome here.
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Goodbye, Z.
Got my ban on mine main account, probably because after almost 1400 posts I copied (I admit that, no problem) 2 half posts.
Just to make this clear, you are currently actively evading a forum ban?

Had no time and tried this solution, no warning, no 2 weeks ban or something, I just received a permaban of mine (2013) Hero account.
Spam is a problem, not a solution.
The right thing would have been failing your quota, instead of copying others posts and spamming the forum.



http://archive.is/ChqBY
sr. member
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On this site there is more and more anarchy, more and more power in the hands of the usual known. Lauda is one of this, unlucky.
Got my ban on mine main account, probably because after almost 1400 posts I copied (I admit that, no problem) 2 half posts. I was in Waves sig. campaign and yesterday left 4 posts to reach the minimin 20/week. Had no time and tried this solution, no warning, no 2 weeks ban or something, I just received a permaban of mine (2013) Hero account. By the way I'm not here to cry about my Hero acc (also because, I can't do anything, the power to ban/unban is on 2 people), I'm here to try to clarify the situation:
There a lot of "spam" in this forum, especially to increase the count when you are in a Sig. Campaign. You can see it everywhere, but probably more in some section (like gambling, altcoin speculation, local boards, bitcoin discussion) and this is an old and well known problem. There are also legendary account are spamming sometimes, with useless (I really mean that, repetitive and useless posts) senteces just to raise the count, so the rank sometimes doesnt' mean anything. But, if you all know this, why punish just someone?
Why don't fix the rules also for the campaign managers, for example to force them to remove the minimum limit on signature campaign (to prevent spam)?
Why don't warn people before the permaban, especially if we are talking of a Sr. or Hero account that people have since years?
And, last thing... Is really so sad to see how someone abuse of his "influence".

Sorry for my english, not my 1st language as you can see.
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The regulation of Bitcoin comes when the world government takes form and the few elite on the hills in Jerusalem want to enslave the $billionaires. Bitcoin is very much part of the 666 plan and outcome coming, but it comes in stages.

I am very sure the $billionaires will readily welcome the enslavement or else they wouldn't be playing along with the shitty scaling drama.

These are the same people that may have no problem sacrificing children for the sake of things that will eventually be lost.
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If you weren't being a retard in the first place, you wouldn't have received that trust. Lauda does what she wants and you can't do shit about it. Also, maybe ever considered stopping spreading bullshit and then ask Lauda to remove her trust. I guess someone as stupid as you never thought of that.

When we have decentralized forum, then Lauda can do what ever he wants and others can do what ever they want, and they will all have no one to complain to because nobody will be in control.

There is no unequivocal proof for your allegations of retardness, thus what does that say about the retardness of your post? Centralized systems (like tying our shoelaces to each others) make us all retarded.

If you actually read the trust rating that lauda gave, you would realise that it wasn't the quality of the posts she was condemning, it was what OP was posting. If you are trolling and have an abusive behaviour, you deserve a negative trust.

If you actually read what I wrote (and the background explanations of why we need a decentralized forum), then you would understand that it isn’t the content of @Lauda’s actions that are relevant to the problem at hand, but rather the fact that he has privileged centralized appointed power due to the default trust list.

By default putting all new forum users into a crab bucket with our shoelaces tied together, creates a crab bucket outcome.

With a decentralized forum, I could careless what @Lauda does. He and zillions of other idiots can off doing as much retarded stuff as they want and it will all be ignored from my areas. @kiklo can also do what ever he wants to do. And nobody can blame any centralized power for abusing their privileged position of authority.

Crab buckets become extreme as society descends into a clusterfuck of political correctness. For example, now if you are not gay, you are discriminating against a gay if you refuse to let him fuck you in your asshole.

(and if you had read my posts, you would understand that I think the activity of @Lauda and the mods is idiotic)
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If you weren't being a retard in the first place, you wouldn't have received that trust. Lauda does what she wants and you can't do shit about it. Also, maybe ever considered stopping spreading bullshit and then ask Lauda to remove her trust. I guess someone as stupid as you never thought of that.

When we have decentralized forum, then Lauda can do what ever he wants and others can do what ever they want, and they will all have no one to complain to because nobody will be in control.

There is no unequivocal proof for your allegations of retardness, thus what does that say about the retardness of your post? Centralized systems (like tying our shoelaces to each others) make us all retarded.
If you actually read the trust rating that lauda gave, you would realise that it wasn't the quality of the posts she was condemning, it was what OP was posting. If you are trolling and have an abusive behaviour, you deserve a negative trust.
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If you weren't being a retard in the first place, you wouldn't have received that trust. Lauda does what she wants and you can't do shit about it. Also, maybe ever considered stopping spreading bullshit and then ask Lauda to remove her trust. I guess someone as stupid as you never thought of that.

When we have decentralized forum, then Lauda can do what ever he wants and others can do what ever they want, and they will all have no one to complain to because nobody will be in control.

There is no unequivocal proof for your allegations of retardness, thus what does that say about the retardness of your post? Centralized systems (like tying our shoelaces to each others) make us all retarded.
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If you weren't being a retard in the first place, you wouldn't have received that trust. Lauda does what she wants and you can't do shit about it. Also, maybe ever considered stopping spreading bullshit and then ask Lauda to remove her trust. I guess someone as stupid as you never thought of that.
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About the postings, I understand that you have a hyper-competitive nature and that they may have started with ad hominem. However, there's the old adage: eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

It is not true that the most productive action is to mire one's productivity with those who will waste it, thinking that amiability will make for a better result. That is why I wrote to you before that the smart people (the A-listers) do not participate when they see gatekeepers railroading a bad design. Instead they go do productive work, while the clusterfuck destroys itself.

It is somewhat analogous in these groups where they have a Code of Conduct which says they respect all diversity of humans, but then they use their political clout in insidious ways (passive aggressive behavior) to stifle an objective technical debate and also they do not have an open mind and instead want to be in control. The entire CoC thing is really a mechanism for control (as is always centralized governance, which is why I am working on blockchains to replace all centralized databases on the Internet, bcz all those centralized things are going to destroy themselves).

So really the smart thing for me to do was to never participate in that Node.js Issues thread.

Actually I am a man of peace, not of war. Yes I am very competitive, but that is for sports. Work should be a collaboration, but amongst A-lister peers.

Point is if we involve ourselves in failure, we also become a failure. I think this is a very important point that applies to all of at this time wherein the West is collapsing. I think we all need to be very much more aware of the failure we are exposing ourselves to by not wisely choosing who (and which groups, jurisdications, situations) we do and do not involve with. In my case, if I continue to involve myself with failure, then you all would be wise to not involve with me. I am making some changes in my activities.

Remember that democracy exists because what can not be "solved" via voting goes to civil war. So the "solution" is to run up the debt and satiate everyone, until that solution runs out of rope.

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I wasn't suggesting that ongoing participation was necessary, just that patience is needed if you do so - even when encountering hostility.

I need patience to understand the other A-listers are often correct or at least partially correct, as was the case recently with @keean and the closures issue. It was JavaScript's 100% dynamism that was fooling me and made me conflate the function instance with the closure (because that is what JavaScript does). It was some miscommunication between us also. Also I still have the effects of foggy brain not yet always 100% alert or clairvoyant due to these meds and illnesses. Very frustrating!

But no patience with the B-listers, instead never even engage. My huge mistake in life has been engaging with people of all walks of life, because I was idealistic wanting to emulate Jesus also believing that I came from nothing and didn't want to view myself as different or higher than others. So I got frustrated. Now I need to learn that I will not survive if I do not learn that I can not engage with B-listers (nor lunatics!).

There is something in the Bible about not trying to speak to those who will not listen. Do not throw your pearls at swine, etc..

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Disengaging seems to be what you need to adhere to.

Absolutely. That is my biggest weakness. Has always been.


P.S. the discussion continued into being supportive of all humans, not viewing others as beneath you, how to deal with irresponsible people or those who drag you down without being judgmental, about how I am not Jesus and can not bear everyone's suffering on my back in order to be totally understanding and supportive of every person. Then myself shutting down the conversation because I need to go to gym and how my resources are finite and how at this time I am trying extricate myself from the situations that have depleted my resources and no comprehending how I could possibly be supportive to everyone except on some superficial level, and then just throwing out there that maybe that means I didn't delegate to Jesus (claim that he died for our imperfections so that we do not need to be perfect) or something like that, but then it feels like I am losing my rationality and becoming insane so I just shut it down.
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The internet def needs a censor resistant forum. Reddit just went full retard and locked a sub with 400,000+ users of which 20,000 were online at any given time. Its not just the mods here that like to abuse their power.

Frankly, it's embarrassing to have so many developers and computer wizards here and not have things like encrypted messaging or ip masking built into the site, or just basic protections to the users and the intellectual property. The degrees of freedom are lacking and the abuse runs rampant. My use of this site declines everyday, and trying to find informative discussions is becoming harder and harder. It makes me wonder how many have been driven off so this place can become an echo chamber.

Very true. Our world has gone insane. Another example is Github just allowed me to banned on a very important topic about how Node.js will transition from the old module system (CommonJS) to the new ECMAScript ecosystem-wide standard one.

The gatekeepers there are clearly wrong. They should not create a new JavaScript file extension (breaking many things) just so they can conflate require and import. The new EMCAScript standard module system should not be shoehorned (forced unnaturally) to interopt with the old one. They are forcing very bad design onto a very large ecosystem and I am very confident I will be vindicated in the end.

All centralized databases must die. I intend to kill Github, Reddit, BCT, Facebook, etc.. I am working (as many hours a day as possible) on the foundational technologies. Note that link only updates every few hours so activity so far today does not yet appear (at the time of posting this).

As the sovereign debt collapse worsens in 2018 to 2020, we are going to see massive increase in totalitarianism and people will think that it does not bother them (until it does then it will be too late for them). When you burn the books of free speech, society collapses into a 600 year Dark Age.

P.S. Hahaha. If you think I am blunt...

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7524

Kudos to elder ESR.

And this is timely and apropos also:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7516

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The internet def needs a censor resistant forum. Reddit just went full retard and locked a sub with 400,000+ users of which 20,000 were online at any given time. Its not just the mods here that like to abuse their power.

Frankly, it's embarrassing to have so many developers and computer wizards here and not have things like encrypted messaging or ip masking built into the site, or just basic protections to the users and the intellectual property. The degrees of freedom are lacking and the abuse runs rampant. My use of this site declines everyday, and trying to find informative discussions is becoming harder and harder. It makes me wonder how many have been driven off so this place can become an echo chamber.
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Note the edit.

@dinofelis, you need get grip on reality. Bitcoin and crypto-currency is going to be a $10+ trillion phenomenon. And the EU is going to crash and burn.

The relevance of this to the bans and problems of this forum, is that this forum needs to be able to accommodate the diversity of people coming into crypto. It can’t remain a Millennials’ wet-dream and remain #1 and most relevant on our rapidly expanding ecosystem.

Other than that, this is just a chat forum with a feedback system that allows anyone to neg anyone else, and overall it should be a very small part of anyone's life and shouldn't be a cause for ear-smoking.  Kiklo went off the deep end, just like mixan did.  I'm not surprised he got banned.

This is an official forum for Bitcoin (and thus for the crypto ecosystem including altcoins, with 46% of the marketcap in altcoins and increasing rapidly) and there are $millions (soon $100s of millions and then $billions) at stake here and for altcoin developers to be slandered/banned on a whim is a serious crisis from our perspective.

I am sorry but this clusterfuck is not going to stand very much longer. There are many forces that need a decentralized, trustless, permissionless system for communication with this $billion (soon $trillion) market.

This is a big deal.

Essentially BCT is cutting off his own future by not adapting.

Edit: some weeks ago @micreanity mentioned that many investors from outside our crypto-currency ecosystem were approaching him asking about Bitcoin. Then we see lately that $billionaires are investing in Bitcoin and even altcoins (see Tezos). And this week Martin Armstrong who had been very pessimistic about Bitcoin, suddenly recognizes that it could be the alternative global currency after the coming collapse and monetary reset due to the sovereign debt crisis and dollar short vortex with even central banks buying USD-denominated equities.

Armstrong is now starting to understand some of my thesis about the future of Bitcoin:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/bitcoin-criminals-authorities/

But he does not seem to understand that Bitcoin was designed to push the masses off chain into regulated scenarios (e.g. Lightning Networks on
Litecoin) by rapidly rising transaction fees (see links below for the math), because the technologically the blockchain can not be regulated by any non-global government (Armstrong is still apparently ignorant of the most important technological facts about blockchains):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18859434
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18878987
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18888361
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18903670

The regulation of Bitcoin comes when the world government takes form and the few elite on the hills in Jerusalem want to enslave the $billionaires. Bitcoin is very much part of the 666 plan and outcome coming, but it comes in stages.
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Perhaps I'm really old school, but I don't get why people use the @ symbol here.  Is that a Twitter thing?  I honestly don't know what it means.

It is an ad hoc convention to tag that a term is a username as opposed to alternative meanings of the term in prose. Also some systems (e.g. Steemit, Github, and Stackexchange) will automatically link the username to their profile if prepended with @. For example, some usernames are English words.

This is just a frigging forum, and it's just a silly, broken trust system on that forum.  I don't view it as anything even close to a crisis, and it doesn't keep me awake at night.  If nothing changed, I'm totally OK with that--and look at all those red trusts fuckers left me.  I'm so past it.

I would agree with you, except that red text plastered on every post in Altcoin Discussion on the person who was abused (for readers using the default trust list which is virtually all the new users that altcoins target). IMO that is a crisis for those afflicted.

Other than that, this is just a chat forum with a feedback system that allows anyone to neg anyone else, and overall it should be a very small part of anyone's life and shouldn't be a cause for ear-smoking.  Kiklo went off the deep end, just like mixan did.  I'm not surprised he got banned.

This is an official forum for Bitcoin (and thus for the crypto ecosystem including altcoins, with 46% of the marketcap in altcoins and increasing rapidly) and there are $millions (soon $100s of millions and then $billions) at stake here and for altcoin developers to be slandered/banned on a whim is a serious crisis from our perspective.

I am sorry but this clusterfuck is not going to stand very much longer. There are many forces that need a decentralized, trustless, permissionless system for communication with this $billion (soon $trillion) market.

This is a big deal.

Essentially BCT is cutting off his own future by not adapting.

Edit: some weeks ago @micreanity mentioned that many investors from outside our crypto-currency ecosystem were approaching him asking about Bitcoin. Then we see lately that $billionaires are investing in Bitcoin and even altcoins (see Tezos). And this week Martin Armstrong who had been very pessimistic about Bitcoin, suddenly recognizes that it could be the alternative global currency after the coming collapse and monetary reset due to the sovereign debt crisis and dollar short vortex with even central banks buying USD-denominated equities.

Armstrong is now starting to understand some of my thesis about the future of Bitcoin:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/bitcoin-criminals-authorities/

But he does not seem to understand that Bitcoin was designed to push the masses off chain into regulated scenarios (e.g. Lightning Networks on
Litecoin) by rapidly rising transaction fees (see links below for the math), because the technologically the blockchain can not be regulated by any non-global government (Armstrong is still apparently ignorant of the most important technological facts about blockchains):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18859434
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18878987
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18888361
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18903670

The regulation of Bitcoin comes when the world government takes form and the few elite on the hills in Jerusalem want to enslave the $billionaires. Bitcoin is very much part of the 666 plan and outcome coming, but it comes in stages.



You dont need to use the default trust.
You can make your own trust list.
Majority of people here are just to lazy to do it.

I do this myself, great idea to do so.

I never bothered to do it because I do not use the trust system.

The red and green text on avatars caused me to realize there is some corruption in this forum because most users see the same as what I see, because we all do not give a shit about the trust system. We came here for the forum discussion.

I hate kissing ass to centralized authorities. No way. Never will be.

Uhm lauda doesnt rule over anyone.
You people just give way too much credit to the trust system.

Effectively (aka pleonasmically de facto) he does, because of the red text plastered on the avatar for every reader using the default trust list, which is virtually all readers.

And that includes anyone else on the default trust list who is gains pleasure from dictatorial actions.



@The End is Near, has been the only other one with a will strong enough to argue with the peer pressure exerted against @kiko because of a defective trust system ,
and many of you attacked in force after @kiklo was banned and no longer able to be here to defend himself, (what does that say about you?)

Because I do not need those (non-)“peers” in order to succeed. And also when I know I am the correct side of the future outcome, then I am not concerned about losing. Humans herd together in what they (mis-)perceive to be the dominant paradigm, because they do not want to be losers (yet the majority is eventually always wrong).

P.S. your explanations were touching on points that I did not make or did not explain as well as you did. Thanks. And no you are not my sockpuppet!

What is going to be very hilarious is when the scammers learn to game the trust system and turn it into a total clusterfuck.
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