Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds - page 2.

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on September 25, 2018, 07:32:34 AM

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Lauda has recently changed his e-mail address.

He also responded to my PM on English, although he spoke Croatian before?

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i just quote this that it is quoted. nothing more. everybody shall make his/her own conclusion.

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Lauda has recently changed his e-mail address.

He also responded to my PM on English, although he spoke Croatian before?

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Quote from: Lauda on September 08, 2018, 04:01:56 PM

Quote from: vlom on September 08, 2018, 04:00:42 PM

Quote from: Lauda on September 08, 2018, 03:57:01 PM

Quote from: vlom on September 08, 2018, 03:54:56 PM

if you read the first posts in the ANN that lauda wrote i looks like lauda was part of the team.

Which is nothing other but absolute nonsense.

you helped people with all the questions they had. you explained how the ico works and how to sweep tokens etc pp. but after the ico was over you just write that everything is not our business.

i dont say that you were or are part of the team. but that you had a motivation to help people. because the more money went into ICO the more money the escrows received. and this is a fact. shall i quote the posts i am talking about?

I see that we've moved onto 'Lauda helping people is bad'. What is next? Roll Eyes

i did not say that this is or was bad. all i wanted to say: i have the feeling that you are helpful as long as you will profit. but after you got your share your posts changed.

whatever. I will not give up, but I do not want to discuss it here anymore

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Quote from: vlom on September 08, 2018, 04:00:42 PM

Quote from: Lauda on September 08, 2018, 03:57:01 PM

Quote from: vlom on September 08, 2018, 03:54:56 PM

if you read the first posts in the ANN that lauda wrote i looks like lauda was part of the team.

Which is nothing other but absolute nonsense.

you helped people with all the questions they had. you explained how the ico works and how to sweep tokens etc pp. but after the ico was over you just write that everything is not our business.

i dont say that you were or are part of the team. but that you had a motivation to help people. because the more money went into ICO the more money the escrows received. and this is a fact. shall i quote the posts i am talking about?

I see that we've moved onto 'Lauda helping people is bad'. What is next? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Lauda on September 08, 2018, 03:57:01 PM

Quote from: vlom on September 08, 2018, 03:54:56 PM

if you read the first posts in the ANN that lauda wrote i looks like lauda was part of the team.

Which is nothing other but absolute nonsense.

you helped people with all the questions they had. you explained how the ico works and how to sweep tokens etc pp. but after the ico was over you just write that everything is not our business.

i dont say that you were or are part of the team. but that you had a motivation to help people. because the more money went into ICO the more money the escrows received. and this is a fact. shall i quote the posts i am talking about?

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Quote from: vlom on September 08, 2018, 03:54:56 PM

if you read the first posts in the ANN that lauda wrote i looks like lauda was part of the team.

Which is nothing other but absolute nonsense.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 08, 2018, 01:04:44 PM

Quote from: Chris! on September 08, 2018, 10:34:10 AM

I got my 45% refund in case anyone was questioning whether refund were done properly or not.

If you only got 45%, it sounds like the refund was in fact not done properly...

its hopeless. i think we will never find out. and there are only a few people that think that it was not OK what happened....

if you read the first posts in the ANN that lauda wrote i looks like lauda was part of the team. but maybe lauda was just posting because lauda wanted a lot of people to take part in the ICO to get more money.

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Quote from: Chris! on September 08, 2018, 10:34:10 AM

I got my 45% refund in case anyone was questioning whether refund were done properly or not.

If you only got 45%, it sounds like the refund was in fact not done properly...

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 06, 2018, 12:05:34 PM

Quote from: 4x4et on September 03, 2018, 01:10:26 PM

Well well well, BitcoinTalk staff accused of stealing.

I don’t believe anyone is accusing Bitcointalk staff of stealing.

They think Lauda is still a mod lol. I guess they missed the news.

I got my 45% refund in case anyone was questioning whether refund were done properly or not.

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Quote from: 4x4et on September 03, 2018, 01:10:26 PM

Well well well, BitcoinTalk staff accused of stealing.

I don’t believe anyone is accusing Bitcointalk staff of stealing.

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Well well well, BitcoinTalk staff accused of stealing.

Trusted members giving each other negative reps.

This place is falling apart lol.

Giving your coins to anybody here (escrow) equals digital suicide + sad violin sounds.

edit: and cause of this post I got another negative rep from another BitcoinTalk staff scammer

LOL, u think this will hurt me?

your shitty forum is dead

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i found two post about the movement of the coins or the change of the address.

Quote from: Lauda on August 03, 2017, 05:39:54 PM

Informational: BTC funds have been moved to a new address using the same setup as before. The new address is: 3QV4kZtdzE8S2XdYXMbYQrgaJYBfDnypCC.

Quote from: Lauda on August 05, 2017, 02:36:10 PM

Quote from: Lauda on August 03, 2017, 05:39:54 PM

Informational: BTC funds have been moved to a new address using the same setup as before. The new address is: 3QV4kZtdzE8S2XdYXMbYQrgaJYBfDnypCC.

New Address: 354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf. Funds should not be moving any more after this.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 02, 2018, 08:33:49 PM

Another term that was very cleary broken was that Lauda, Blazed and Minerjones would keep the bitcoin at a specific address, however the bitcoin was moved out of the escrow address very early on.

Wrong. That was the escrow address for investment; there were absolutely no statements as to where the coins were going to be held afterwards. Not a single term was broken.

You're trying to tackle this from way too many angles which makes it very clear that it is in fact just a vendetta. This must be very tiring to read for outsiders; i.e. you keep shifting the goalposts yet there is absolutely no proof of any kind of intentional, non-intentional or any other form of wrongdoing.

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Quote from: OgNasty on September 02, 2018, 10:32:59 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on September 02, 2018, 08:33:49 PM

Another term that was very cleary broken was that Lauda, Blazed and Minerjones would keep the bitcoin at a specific address, however the bitcoin was moved out of the escrow address very early on.

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Agreed. Any movement of funds should have been publicly explained and new messages signed. It is very clear there was wrongdoing here.

They never even acknowledged where the bitcoin was being held. Also, based upon the speee at which transactions were broadcast out of escrow, I think there is a good chance that one person was in effect control of the coins when the three signed messages clearly implied each escrow agent would control one of three keys to the address that requires two signatures.

Multiple people involved in the deal were demanding transparency however the escrow agents were promptly ignoring such demands. Just look at the responses from monerjones and Blazed. All of the responses by lauda were essentially non-answers.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 02, 2018, 08:33:49 PM

Another term that was very cleary broken was that Lauda, Blazed and Minerjones would keep the bitcoin at a specific address, however the bitcoin was moved out of the escrow address very early on.

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Agreed. Any movement of funds should have been publicly explained and new messages signed. It is very clear there was wrongdoing here.

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Quote from: Quickseller on September 02, 2018, 08:33:49 PM

Unfortunately, Suchmoon is known to take the side of those who is in a greater position of power. It is her way to gain power herself.

Projecting as usual, Mr. Escrow Scammer Roll Eyes

I don't value virtual forum trinkets like you do.

Quote from: Quickseller on September 02, 2018, 08:33:49 PM

Obviously it is ridiculous to say that transparency is not required because it was not expressly agreed to ahead of time.

I think it's ridiculous to not require transparency in a 3000 BTC deal. But it was not required by the participants of the deal and I can't turn the clock back and tell them that they're idiots. You on the other hand should keep barking as loud as you can. Every minute you spend baking these shitpretzels is a minute you're not scamming someone, so that's the silver lining.

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Quote from: teeGUMES on September 02, 2018, 06:44:59 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 02, 2018, 06:36:26 PM

Quote from: teeGUMES on September 02, 2018, 06:05:41 PM

I don't see where it doesn't say that all funds go directly to me in case of dispute either. You play on a lot of slides too when you were young suchmoon?

Why would it go to you? In case of a dispute the escrow decides if the product has been delivered and the funds go to the seller, or not and the funds go to the buyer (the latter is what happened here). Is that another one of those Merriam-Webster things that you don't want to accept?

I can do ad hominems with the best of them so perhaps let's take it easy with the playground insults.

What funds? The amount that some anonymous 'aliased' escrow promises you is the number? "Just trust me guys".

I'm done here anyways. With your voice actually meaning something here I figured you'd act a little different. Transparency is one of the biggest things in order to establish trust.. especially with the ol "not your keys not your bitcoin". In this case the investors don't even get to see the public key side which is what bitcoin and public decentralized ledgers are used for.

My questions raised have never been whether or not I believe there is theft or fraud happening here, it's been solely about transparency and answers for the less fortunate. The few that have this power have remained silent or continue to talk circles. If this does not raise red flags for you then I'm sorry and I hope the best for you in life.

Unfortunately, Suchmoon is known to take the side of those who is in a greater position of power. It is her way to gain power herself.

Obviously it is ridiculous to say that transparency is not required because it was not expressly agreed to ahead of time.

Another term that was very cleary broken was that Lauda, Blazed and Minerjones would keep the bitcoin at a specific address, however the bitcoin was moved out of the escrow address very early on.

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Quote from: teeGUMES on September 02, 2018, 06:44:59 PM

What funds? The amount that some anonymous 'aliased' escrow promises you is the number? "Just trust me guys".

I'm done here anyways. With your voice actually meaning something here I figured you'd act a little different. Transparency is one of the biggest things in order to establish trust.. especially with the ol "not your keys not your bitcoin". In this case the investors don't even get to see the public key side which is what bitcoin and public decentralized ledgers are used for.

My questions raised have never been whether or not I believe there is theft or fraud happening here, it's been solely about transparency and answers for the less fortunate. The few that have this power have remained silent or continue to talk circles. If this does not raise red flags for you then I'm sorry and I hope the best for you in life.

You seem to be implying that I'm against transparency. That's false. In fact earlier in the thread - before you cared to jump in apparently without reading it - I stated a fairly strong opinion on the subject: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.44556605

However I'd be remiss if I didn't admit that if transparency parameters have not been agreed to in advance it might be difficult for the escrow to provide certain information, such as off-chain details of altcoin exchange.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 02, 2018, 06:36:26 PM

Quote from: teeGUMES on September 02, 2018, 06:05:41 PM

I don't see where it doesn't say that all funds go directly to me in case of dispute either. You play on a lot of slides too when you were young suchmoon?

Why would it go to you? In case of a dispute the escrow decides if the product has been delivered and the funds go to the seller, or not and the funds go to the buyer (the latter is what happened here). Is that another one of those Merriam-Webster things that you don't want to accept?

I can do ad hominems with the best of them so perhaps let's take it easy with the playground insults.

What funds? The amount that some anonymous 'aliased' escrow promises you is the number? "Just trust me guys".

I'm done here anyways. With your voice actually meaning something here I figured you'd act a little different. Transparency is one of the biggest things in order to establish trust.. especially with the ol "not your keys not your bitcoin". In this case the investors don't even get to see the public key side which is what bitcoin and public decentralized ledgers are used for.

My questions raised have never been whether or not I believe there is theft or fraud happening here, it's been solely about transparency and answers for the less fortunate. The few that have this power have remained silent or continue to talk circles. If this does not raise red flags for you then I'm sorry and I hope the best for you in life.

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Quote from: teeGUMES on September 02, 2018, 06:05:41 PM

I don't see where it doesn't say that all funds go directly to me in case of dispute either. You play on a lot of slides too when you were young suchmoon?

Why would it go to you? In case of a dispute the escrow decides if the product has been delivered and the funds go to the seller, or not and the funds go to the buyer (the latter is what happened here). Is that another one of those Merriam-Webster things that you don't want to accept?

I can do ad hominems with the best of them so perhaps let's take it easy with the playground insults.

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