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Quote from: Quickseller on October 07, 2018, 01:52:20 PM

It would probably be an even better option to verify that anyone someone is considering leaving negative trust that they are in fact a scammer

I don't think DT member tagged someone without any issue although there might be some exceptions.

Quote from: Quickseller on October 07, 2018, 01:52:20 PM

(or someone who will likely scam in the future).

A proverb going that Black will take no other hue.

Quote from: Quickseller on October 07, 2018, 01:52:20 PM

They shouldn’t leave a negative rating just because lauda says the are a scammer without evidence.

Most of those have enough reference link. Without reference link, tagging again will look awkward. In this case, DT can check the ref link and tag.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on October 07, 2018, 01:41:24 PM

It would be better option if others DT tag them those have tagged by Lauda. But I think its not possible as well. On the other hand, as far as I know Lauda removed DT1 multiple time and someone put back again. I think same thing will happen again. So there is nothing celebrate for scammers.

It would probably be an even better option to verify that anyone someone is considering leaving negative trust that they are in fact a scammer (or someone who will likely scam in the future). They shouldn’t leave a negative rating just because lauda says the are a scammer without evidence.

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Quote from: S_Therapist on October 07, 2018, 01:41:12 PM

It will be quite easy for you, also less time-consuming. I do have to do it manually which consumes huge time. So, can I stop working on it? As, it is easier for you.

Up to you

If you still want to check who's red or not, I'd say start from my list once it's ready (~2000 profiles takes ~40 minutes to scrape), the ones who are offline for a very long time aren't really relevant at the moment.

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Removed from DT1 it doesn't mean all feedback has removed. All feedback will reflect on Untrusted feedback. If someone visit profiles and check untrusted feedback than obviously he will see that tag. If anybody never check all feedback before make any trade than it will not much benefits to make list. If peoples are very lazy than he deserve scam.

It would be better option if others DT tag them those have tagged by Lauda. But I think its not possible as well. On the other hand, as far as I know Lauda removed DT1 multiple time and someone put back again. I think same thing will happen again. So there is nothing celebrate for scammers.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 07, 2018, 01:37:39 PM

Quote from: S_Therapist on October 07, 2018, 01:35:07 PM

You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.

I've sent a PM to Vod, asking to update those profiles on BPIP so I can scrape their current trust. With that, I could exclude all current red (and banned!) accounts too.

It will be quite easy for you, also less time-consuming. I do have to do it manually which consumes huge time. So, can I stop working on it? As, it is easier for you.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on October 07, 2018, 01:41:24 PM

Removed from DT1 it doesn't mean all feedback has removed. All feedback will reflect on Untrusted feedback. If someone visit profiles and check untrusted feedback than obviously he will see that tag. If anybody never check all feedback before make any trade than it will not much benefits to make list. If peoples are very lazy than he deserve scam.

I doubt 10% people know that there is a trust system without DT, lol. Also, those trust isn't seen in profile by default if you don't change your setting.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 07, 2018, 01:37:39 PM

Quote from: S_Therapist on October 07, 2018, 01:35:07 PM

You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.

I've sent a PM to Vod, asking to update those profiles on BPIP so I can scrape their current trust. With that, I could exclude all current red (and banned!) accounts too.

Thank you both for your efforts in filling this gap quickly to protect forum users.

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Quote from: S_Therapist on October 07, 2018, 01:35:07 PM

You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.

I've sent a PM to Vod, asking to update those profiles on BPIP so I can scrape their current trust. With that, I could exclude all current red (and banned!) accounts too.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 07, 2018, 01:30:04 PM

Quote from: S_Therapist on October 07, 2018, 01:11:00 PM

Trying to list all the users who turned into neutral from red.
Learn More- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-possible-scammers-who-turned-into-neutral-from-red-from-lauda-updated-5045629

You beat me to it: Keeping an eye on users with red trust from Lauda

Not exactly, there has some difference between the two lists. You are listing all the people who have been tagged by Lauda while I am listing people who have been turned into neutral from red.
Also, I have listed 100 only till now.

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Quote from: S_Therapist on October 07, 2018, 01:11:00 PM

Trying to list all the users who turned into neutral from red.
Learn More- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-possible-scammers-who-turned-into-neutral-from-red-from-lauda-updated-5045629

You beat me to it: Keeping an eye on users with red trust from Lauda

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Quote from: Cashi on October 07, 2018, 12:52:22 PM

Well, if it's not possible to sort out this problem and add Lauda again to DT2.

There is nothing to sort out. If any DT1 member includes Lauda in his trust list, it will sort out automatically.

Quote from: Cashi on October 07, 2018, 12:52:22 PM

there will be lot of work for remaining DT members to tag the now untagged cheaters. Sad

Trying to list all the users who turned into neutral from red.
Learn More- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-possible-scammers-who-turned-into-neutral-from-red-from-lauda-updated-5045629

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Quote from: Cashi on October 07, 2018, 12:52:22 PM

Well, if it's not possible to sort out this problem and add Lauda again to DT2, there will be lot of work for remaining DT members to tag the now untagged cheaters. Sad

You spelled ‘scammer’ wrong.

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Well, if it's not possible to sort out this problem and add Lauda again to DT2, there will be lot of work for remaining DT members to tag the now untagged cheaters. Sad

I'm sure they won't stay long untagged, so if they join a bounty now they will get kicked very soon if they receive red trust again. But after all these DT changes show, how important it is to have abuser's accounts tagged at least by two DT members.

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Quote from: BitCoinDream on October 07, 2018, 07:21:25 AM

As per, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full, Lauda is...

Included by: Blazed & hilariousandco

Excluded by: HostFat, OgNasty & Tomatocage

Someone must have excluded him recently. Who is he?

SaltySpitoon previously had Lauda in his trust list due to the dubious claim that since many new users included Lauda in their trust list, and that many experienced users excluded Lauda, that new users collectively want lauda on DT. This logic did not make sense.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on October 07, 2018, 06:54:27 AM

Wondering how you noticed this so quickly, possibly an alt account that's no longer painted red?

Yesterday, I saw red paint in mmm01's profile while today it is not, simple.

Quote from: subSTRATA on October 07, 2018, 06:57:37 AM

If you're curious, you can click the 'hierarchical view' link at the bottom of the page, and you will be able to see exactly which users have decided to include or exclude certain users from their trust lists.

Nicely explained. Thank you mate.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 07, 2018, 11:46:50 AM

I'll compile a list of accounts tagged by Lauda.

~~Is it possible to list accounts who were only painted by Lauda?~~
Sorry, I am quite late.

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Quote from: subSTRATA on October 07, 2018, 11:56:49 AM

might be a better idea to prioritize those that are now neutral from lauda's removal from dt.

Agreed! But I can't scrape that Sad

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 07, 2018, 11:46:50 AM

I don't think anyone is going to just copy 2000 red tags

ehhhhhhhh..... dunno about that. wouldn't count it out.

that aside, a lot of the accounts are still red from multiple dt tags, might be a better idea to prioritize those that are now neutral from lauda's removal from dt.

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Quote from: Alone055 on October 07, 2018, 10:29:58 AM

Well, I'm pretty sure that the ones reading this thread, who had any of their alts tagged by Lauda, must have started searching the databases of their forum accounts to find those accounts and bring them back to live since now their negative tags are removed.

Good point! I'll compile a list of accounts tagged by Lauda, and sort them on their "Last Active" date. I don't think anyone is going to just copy 2000 red tags, so this should make it more manageable.

They're fast! ChrisLandin reactivated today. He stopped posting the moment Lauda tagged him (in June 2017), and made only one more post in December 2017. Now he's back.

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Well, I'm pretty sure that the ones reading this thread, who had any of their alts tagged by Lauda, must have started searching the databases of their forum accounts to find those accounts and bring them back to live since now their negative tags are removed. Grin

Unless their accounts had got tagged by someone else too.

Edit: #TrustRuinsLives Grin

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Quote from: Lauda on October 07, 2018, 09:09:38 AM

SaltySpitoon apparently withdrew their inclusion at some unknown time (I use a custom list, thus can't tell these things quickly). No idea what's going on on this lovely Sunday.

There's an unusually low amount of drama due to a lack of Quickseller & alts' threads. Grin

Surprised and sorry to hear this. Any idea what this is about? Is it because of that escrow scam accusation that was active in Meta recently? I didn't read that close enough to understand exactly what happened, but it seemed like people were pretty divided on that one.

What newbies might not understand is that DT status can be precarious and that it's not some static list, although many who are currently on it have been for a long time. And unfortunately there's a cost associated with someone like Lauda getting removed, i.e., everyone tagged by him/her is now untagged.

I'd like to hear the rationale on this one. I didn't see anything else in Meta.

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